Re: measles death and cholesterol

[Guest guest]

Hi Alison,

Interesting about the measles case. Checking the BBC news website it says

the boy was " taking an immunosuppressive drug " for his " lung condition "

(still unspecified, but sounds like corticosteroids and asthma? - and if his

asthma was bad enough to need oral prednisolone it's perhaps less surprising

he succumbed to measles).

On the Alzheimer's question, the stats I've seen say that between 25 and 50%

of over 85s get some degree of memory loss, which may or may not be down to

AD. Your low-fat hypothesis is interesting and could perhaps be modified to

talk about " wrong kind of fats " . Many people who insist on a low-fat diet

are scared of _all_ fats and therefore also avoid sources of EFAs (essential

for cell membrane function, especially neurons).

I don't think cholesterol is essential for myelination (but stand ready to

be corrected by a physiologist) but like EFAs it is certainly essential for

cell membrane integrity and therefore all ingress and egress of substances

including of course neurotransmitters, notably in the case of Alzheimer's,

acetylcholine. (There's also the genetic link with the apoE4 allele which

confers a higher risk of AD. Apolipoprotein E directs uptake of cholesterol

by the liver (but what's the story on statins being used to arrest

deterioration in Alzheimer's?))

Jan

> Hi all

> I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but a news item today is about a

> Manchester teenager who has died 'from measles'. The first news programme

> (radio 4) I heard this on this morning also gave the information that the

> boy 'already had a lung condition', which I thought was possibly quite

> significant. By lunchtime, the news presenter had got round to saying 'died

> from measles' without any mention of the lung condition. I would dearly like

> to know what the lung condition was, and to what extent it was responsible

> for his death, and why it has been dropped from the news report.

> Predictably, the news reporter is now also saying that the MMR vaccine is

> absolutely essential, and 'doctors are saying......' you can guess the rest!

>

> Second item; I was watching (while in the gym; I don't usually see it) a

> daytime TV 'magazine' programme which mentioned that: 1) 50% of over 85s

> suffer Alzheimer's (is this true?), and 2) the disease is set to 'double in

> 30 years'. ie; we're all going to get it (if my maths are correct). Scary,

> or what? But then I started to think, and bearing in mind that I've just

> read the book 'The Cholesterol Myths', I started wondering if the apparent

> increase in Alzheimer's could, possibly, have anything to do with the fact

> that just about everyone (except herbalists, nutritionists and doubtless

> some others) has perforce been eating a low-fat diet for about 20 years or

> so? As nerve cells are reliant on fat/cholesterol for their very structure

> (remind me, is it necessary for myelination?), could this be a causative

> factor? I'm hoping for a reply here from someone far more up to date than me

> on pathophysiology!

>

> Alison Morton

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jan

NIce to hear from you, and interesting to get your views. I want to learn

more about the influence of fats; having a cherished theory that 'pure'

fats, whether animal or vegetable derived, are much healthier than the

synthesized variety, but no evidence (so far; haven't had time to look yet!)

to back up my view!

Looking forward to seeing more of you later in the year, if timetables

allow!

Alison

>

>Reply-To: ukherbal-list

>To: " ukherbal-list " <ukherbal-list >

>Subject: Re: measles death and cholesterol

>Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:25:05 +0100

>

>Hi Alison,

>Interesting about the measles case. Checking the BBC news website it says

>the boy was " taking an immunosuppressive drug " for his " lung condition "

>(still unspecified, but sounds like corticosteroids and asthma? - and if

>his

>asthma was bad enough to need oral prednisolone it's perhaps less

>surprising

>he succumbed to measles).

>

>On the Alzheimer's question, the stats I've seen say that between 25 and

>50%

>of over 85s get some degree of memory loss, which may or may not be down to

>AD. Your low-fat hypothesis is interesting and could perhaps be modified to

>talk about " wrong kind of fats " . Many people who insist on a low-fat diet

>are scared of _all_ fats and therefore also avoid sources of EFAs

>(essential

>for cell membrane function, especially neurons).

>

>I don't think cholesterol is essential for myelination (but stand ready to

>be corrected by a physiologist) but like EFAs it is certainly essential for

>cell membrane integrity and therefore all ingress and egress of substances

>including of course neurotransmitters, notably in the case of Alzheimer's,

>acetylcholine. (There's also the genetic link with the apoE4 allele which

>confers a higher risk of AD. Apolipoprotein E directs uptake of cholesterol

>by the liver (but what's the story on statins being used to arrest

>deterioration in Alzheimer's?))

>

>Jan

>

>

>

> > Hi all

> > I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but a news item today is about

>a

> > Manchester teenager who has died 'from measles'. The first news

>programme

> > (radio 4) I heard this on this morning also gave the information that

>the

> > boy 'already had a lung condition', which I thought was possibly quite

> > significant. By lunchtime, the news presenter had got round to saying

>'died

> > from measles' without any mention of the lung condition. I would dearly

>like

> > to know what the lung condition was, and to what extent it was

>responsible

> > for his death, and why it has been dropped from the news report.

> > Predictably, the news reporter is now also saying that the MMR vaccine

>is

> > absolutely essential, and 'doctors are saying......' you can guess the

>rest!

> >

> > Second item; I was watching (while in the gym; I don't usually see it) a

> > daytime TV 'magazine' programme which mentioned that: 1) 50% of over 85s

> > suffer Alzheimer's (is this true?), and 2) the disease is set to 'double

>in

> > 30 years'. ie; we're all going to get it (if my maths are correct).

>Scary,

> > or what? But then I started to think, and bearing in mind that I've just

> > read the book 'The Cholesterol Myths', I started wondering if the

>apparent

> > increase in Alzheimer's could, possibly, have anything to do with the

>fact

> > that just about everyone (except herbalists, nutritionists and doubtless

> > some others) has perforce been eating a low-fat diet for about 20 years

>or

> > so? As nerve cells are reliant on fat/cholesterol for their very

>structure

> > (remind me, is it necessary for myelination?), could this be a causative

> > factor? I'm hoping for a reply here from someone far more up to date

>than me

> > on pathophysiology!

> >

> > Alison Morton

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

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>Messenger

> > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview

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> >

> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

Alison, you are quite right

Trans and cis fatty acids are found in " manufactured " (hydrogenated)

oils (they (trans & cis) are mirror images of the same molecular

structure)

Natural oils only have cis fatty acids , the body, so, cannot handy

trans fatty acids, they accumulate and do damage.

Sally O

> Hi Jan

> NIce to hear from you, and interesting to get your views. I want to

> learn

> more about the influence of fats; having a cherished theory that

> 'pure'

> fats, whether animal or vegetable derived, are much healthier than the

> synthesized variety, but no evidence (so far; haven't had time to

> look yet!)

> to back up my view!

> Looking forward to seeing more of you later in the year, if timetables

> allow!

> Alison

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: ukherbal-list

> >To: " ukherbal-list " <ukherbal-list >

> >Subject: Re: measles death and cholesterol

> >Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:25:05 +0100

> >

> >Hi Alison,

> >Interesting about the measles case. Checking the BBC news website it

> says

> >the boy was " taking an immunosuppressive drug " for his " lung

> condition "

> >(still unspecified, but sounds like corticosteroids and asthma? -

> and if

> >his

> >asthma was bad enough to need oral prednisolone it's perhaps less

> >surprising

> >he succumbed to measles).

> >

> >On the Alzheimer's question, the stats I've seen say that between 25

> and

> >50%

> >of over 85s get some degree of memory loss, which may or may not be

> down to

> >AD. Your low-fat hypothesis is interesting and could perhaps be

> modified to

> >talk about " wrong kind of fats " . Many people who insist on a low-fat

> diet

> >are scared of _all_ fats and therefore also avoid sources of EFAs

> >(essential

> >for cell membrane function, especially neurons).

> >

> >I don't think cholesterol is essential for myelination (but stand

> ready to

> >be corrected by a physiologist) but like EFAs it is certainly

> essential for

> >cell membrane integrity and therefore all ingress and egress of

> substances

> >including of course neurotransmitters, notably in the case of

> Alzheimer's,

> >acetylcholine. (There's also the genetic link with the apoE4 allele

> which

> >confers a higher risk of AD. Apolipoprotein E directs uptake of

> cholesterol

> >by the liver (but what's the story on statins being used to arrest

> >deterioration in Alzheimer's?))

> >

> >Jan

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi all

> > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but a news item today is

> about

> >a

> > > Manchester teenager who has died 'from measles'. The first news

> >programme

> > > (radio 4) I heard this on this morning also gave the information

> that

> >the

> > > boy 'already had a lung condition', which I thought was possibly

> quite

> > > significant. By lunchtime, the news presenter had got round to

> saying

> >'died

> > > from measles' without any mention of the lung condition. I would

> dearly

> >like

> > > to know what the lung condition was, and to what extent it was

> >responsible

> > > for his death, and why it has been dropped from the news report.

> > > Predictably, the news reporter is now also saying that the MMR

> vaccine

> >is

> > > absolutely essential, and 'doctors are saying......' you can

> guess the

> >rest!

> > >

> > > Second item; I was watching (while in the gym; I don't usually

> see it) a

> > > daytime TV 'magazine' programme which mentioned that: 1) 50% of

> over 85s

> > > suffer Alzheimer's (is this true?), and 2) the disease is set to

> 'double

> >in

> > > 30 years'. ie; we're all going to get it (if my maths are

> correct).

> >Scary,

> > > or what? But then I started to think, and bearing in mind that

> I've just

> > > read the book 'The Cholesterol Myths', I started wondering if the

> >apparent

> > > increase in Alzheimer's could, possibly, have anything to do with

> the

> >fact

> > > that just about everyone (except herbalists, nutritionists and

> doubtless

> > > some others) has perforce been eating a low-fat diet for about 20

> years

> >or

> > > so? As nerve cells are reliant on fat/cholesterol for their very

> >structure

> > > (remind me, is it necessary for myelination?), could this be a

> causative

> > > factor? I'm hoping for a reply here from someone far more up to

> date

> >than me

> > > on pathophysiology!

> > >

> > > Alison Morton

> > >

> > > _________________________________________________________________

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> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that, Sally, but doesn't the same occur when you heat oils to

high temperatures?

I'll be getting off to butter my toast, then!

Alison

>

>Reply-To: ukherbal-list

>To: ukherbal-list

>Subject: Re: measles death and cholesterol

>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:25:36 +0100

>

>Alison, you are quite right

>

>Trans and cis fatty acids are found in " manufactured " (hydrogenated)

>oils (they (trans & cis) are mirror images of the same molecular

>structure)

>

>

>Natural oils only have cis fatty acids , the body, so, cannot handy

>trans fatty acids, they accumulate and do damage.

>

>Sally O

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi Jan

> > NIce to hear from you, and interesting to get your views. I want to

> > learn

> > more about the influence of fats; having a cherished theory that

> > 'pure'

> > fats, whether animal or vegetable derived, are much healthier than the

> > synthesized variety, but no evidence (so far; haven't had time to

> > look yet!)

> > to back up my view!

> > Looking forward to seeing more of you later in the year, if timetables

> > allow!

> > Alison

> >

> >

> > >

> > >Reply-To: ukherbal-list

> > >To: " ukherbal-list " <ukherbal-list >

> > >Subject: Re: measles death and cholesterol

> > >Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:25:05 +0100

> > >

> > >Hi Alison,

> > >Interesting about the measles case. Checking the BBC news website it

> > says

> > >the boy was " taking an immunosuppressive drug " for his " lung

> > condition "

> > >(still unspecified, but sounds like corticosteroids and asthma? -

> > and if

> > >his

> > >asthma was bad enough to need oral prednisolone it's perhaps less

> > >surprising

> > >he succumbed to measles).

> > >

> > >On the Alzheimer's question, the stats I've seen say that between 25

> > and

> > >50%

> > >of over 85s get some degree of memory loss, which may or may not be

> > down to

> > >AD. Your low-fat hypothesis is interesting and could perhaps be

> > modified to

> > >talk about " wrong kind of fats " . Many people who insist on a low-fat

> > diet

> > >are scared of _all_ fats and therefore also avoid sources of EFAs

> > >(essential

> > >for cell membrane function, especially neurons).

> > >

> > >I don't think cholesterol is essential for myelination (but stand

> > ready to

> > >be corrected by a physiologist) but like EFAs it is certainly

> > essential for

> > >cell membrane integrity and therefore all ingress and egress of

> > substances

> > >including of course neurotransmitters, notably in the case of

> > Alzheimer's,

> > >acetylcholine. (There's also the genetic link with the apoE4 allele

> > which

> > >confers a higher risk of AD. Apolipoprotein E directs uptake of

> > cholesterol

> > >by the liver (but what's the story on statins being used to arrest

> > >deterioration in Alzheimer's?))

> > >

> > >Jan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi all

> > > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but a news item today is

> > about

> > >a

> > > > Manchester teenager who has died 'from measles'. The first news

> > >programme

> > > > (radio 4) I heard this on this morning also gave the information

> > that

> > >the

> > > > boy 'already had a lung condition', which I thought was possibly

> > quite

> > > > significant. By lunchtime, the news presenter had got round to

> > saying

> > >'died

> > > > from measles' without any mention of the lung condition. I would

> > dearly

> > >like

> > > > to know what the lung condition was, and to what extent it was

> > >responsible

> > > > for his death, and why it has been dropped from the news report.

> > > > Predictably, the news reporter is now also saying that the MMR

> > vaccine

> > >is

> > > > absolutely essential, and 'doctors are saying......' you can

> > guess the

> > >rest!

> > > >

> > > > Second item; I was watching (while in the gym; I don't usually

> > see it) a

> > > > daytime TV 'magazine' programme which mentioned that: 1) 50% of

> > over 85s

> > > > suffer Alzheimer's (is this true?), and 2) the disease is set to

> > 'double

> > >in

> > > > 30 years'. ie; we're all going to get it (if my maths are

> > correct).

> > >Scary,

> > > > or what? But then I started to think, and bearing in mind that

> > I've just

> > > > read the book 'The Cholesterol Myths', I started wondering if the

> > >apparent

> > > > increase in Alzheimer's could, possibly, have anything to do with

> > the

> > >fact

> > > > that just about everyone (except herbalists, nutritionists and

> > doubtless

> > > > some others) has perforce been eating a low-fat diet for about 20

> > years

> > >or

> > > > so? As nerve cells are reliant on fat/cholesterol for their very

> > >structure

> > > > (remind me, is it necessary for myelination?), could this be a

> > causative

> > > > factor? I'm hoping for a reply here from someone far more up to

> > date

> > >than me

> > > > on pathophysiology!

> > > >

> > > > Alison Morton

> > > >

> > > > _________________________________________________________________

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> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sally ,

Just a point re trans and cis fa's

The body can handle trans fatty acids . The damage is caused because they do

get incorporated into all areas where fa's are present , ie , in all cell

membranes etc , . I believe that they are one of the great scurges of the

20th and 21st centuries , and am sure that they are central in the aetiology

of all chronic disease , espo Alzhiemers , cancer , and all chronic

degenerative diseases .

Emmett Walsh

Re: measles death and cholesterol

> >Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:25:05 +0100

> >

> >Hi Alison,

> >Interesting about the measles case. Checking the BBC news website it

> says

> >the boy was " taking an immunosuppressive drug " for his " lung

> condition "

> >(still unspecified, but sounds like corticosteroids and asthma? -

> and if

> >his

> >asthma was bad enough to need oral prednisolone it's perhaps less

> >surprising

> >he succumbed to measles).

> >

> >On the Alzheimer's question, the stats I've seen say that between 25

> and

> >50%

> >of over 85s get some degree of memory loss, which may or may not be

> down to

> >AD. Your low-fat hypothesis is interesting and could perhaps be

> modified to

> >talk about " wrong kind of fats " . Many people who insist on a low-fat

> diet

> >are scared of _all_ fats and therefore also avoid sources of EFAs

> >(essential

> >for cell membrane function, especially neurons).

> >

> >I don't think cholesterol is essential for myelination (but stand

> ready to

> >be corrected by a physiologist) but like EFAs it is certainly

> essential for

> >cell membrane integrity and therefore all ingress and egress of

> substances

> >including of course neurotransmitters, notably in the case of

> Alzheimer's,

> >acetylcholine. (There's also the genetic link with the apoE4 allele

> which

> >confers a higher risk of AD. Apolipoprotein E directs uptake of

> cholesterol

> >by the liver (but what's the story on statins being used to arrest

> >deterioration in Alzheimer's?))

> >

> >Jan

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi all

> > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but a news item today is

> about

> >a

> > > Manchester teenager who has died 'from measles'. The first news

> >programme

> > > (radio 4) I heard this on this morning also gave the information

> that

> >the

> > > boy 'already had a lung condition', which I thought was possibly

> quite

> > > significant. By lunchtime, the news presenter had got round to

> saying

> >'died

> > > from measles' without any mention of the lung condition. I would

> dearly

> >like

> > > to know what the lung condition was, and to what extent it was

> >responsible

> > > for his death, and why it has been dropped from the news report.

> > > Predictably, the news reporter is now also saying that the MMR

> vaccine

> >is

> > > absolutely essential, and 'doctors are saying......' you can

> guess the

> >rest!

> > >

> > > Second item; I was watching (while in the gym; I don't usually

> see it) a

> > > daytime TV 'magazine' programme which mentioned that: 1) 50% of

> over 85s

> > > suffer Alzheimer's (is this true?), and 2) the disease is set to

> 'double

> >in

> > > 30 years'. ie; we're all going to get it (if my maths are

> correct).

> >Scary,

> > > or what? But then I started to think, and bearing in mind that

> I've just

> > > read the book 'The Cholesterol Myths', I started wondering if the

> >apparent

> > > increase in Alzheimer's could, possibly, have anything to do with

> the

> >fact

> > > that just about everyone (except herbalists, nutritionists and

> doubtless

> > > some others) has perforce been eating a low-fat diet for about 20

> years

> >or

> > > so? As nerve cells are reliant on fat/cholesterol for their very

> >structure

> > > (remind me, is it necessary for myelination?), could this be a

> causative

> > > factor? I'm hoping for a reply here from someone far more up to

> date

> >than me

> > > on pathophysiology!

> > >

> > > Alison Morton

> > >

> > > _________________________________________________________________

> > > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN

> >Messenger

> > > 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >