Re: Finally found a cool doctor

[Guest guest]

Abigail,

I'm glad you are exercising your options within your insurance plan.

I think it's important that we do just this, but also know that it

can be (was and is for me) emotionally exhausting and challenging to

function as a strong self-advocate when at the same time we are

seeking help for a delicate and painful issue about which we feel

pretty vulnerable. And I'm glad you left a physician who 'spewed

venom'. I only hope that your new physician will prove reliable as

well as a good and apparently believing listener. I don't very well

like his excuse for not calling you back, given the degree of

assurance he gave you that he would do so. It's a piece of data

about his functioning to file away.

So are you considering trying to boost dopamine levels? BTW, I

would say now that Selegiline seemed promising but the gains seemed

limited, inconsistent and overall not very 'clinically significant'.

I am now considering dostinex or requip, but think I will wait for

word from Vornan and further word from Biker before I start.

Velden

>

> A year ago I discovered that I could switch to a

> different and better medical group within my health

> insurance plan. I also decided to keep requesting

> different doctors until I finally got one who was good

> (because the doctor I had had for the two years

> previously was horrible).

>

> Well, the very first new doctor I was assigned to

> seemed great. He really listened to me when I spoke

> to him about this and told me he would talk to a

> couple of the top psychiatrists there and get back to

> me. He joked that if I don't hear back from him, then

> he probably died.

>

> But then, I never DID hear back from him (sent an

> email)...so I wasn't sure what to think.

>

> But yesterday I had another appointment with him for

> something else and wasn't even planning to talk about

> this - however he brought it up. He was very

> apologetic about not getting back to me previously.

> He said he HAD spoken to a couple of the

> psychiatrists, and also had left them messages. But

> they never returned his calls and in turn he never

> ended up contacting me.

>

> Anyhow, he really seemed to have time to talk to me

> about this and fully remembered our conversation from

> last May. He said it was a very important issue,

> seemed to believe that it was real, and even said that

> it's typical of his profession to not believe anything

> outside the box or what has been taught (adding 'as

> you may have noticed').

>

> I was kind of amazed. I believe he is a very

> well-established and respected doctor too.

>

> So what is the point of this message? Well, I know

> that not everyone even has health insurance and that

> there are a lot of limitations within these plans -

> but it's really worth figuring out what your options

> are. I suffered through having a horrible doctor for

> absolutely no reason. I mean, she was spewing venom

> every time I spoke with her, and was completely

> arrogant...and really wrong about everything I heard

> her say.

>

> The other thing is that I'll keep you guys posted on

> what happens when I talk to him next. I told him

> about the Dostinex, Selegiline, and Requip and he was

> interested in those too. He thought that a PET scan

> could potentially reveal something if analyzed

> properly.

>

> Also I had my SHBG levels tested & will post the

> results when I get them. I'm sure that's not where

> the problem lies but thought it was worth testing just

> in case. And it seems like he would be willing to

> file a compaint with the FDA - but I didn't mention

> that yet and have to find out more about how it works.

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Abigail , good to hear your hopeful experience with the new doctor. I

had a recent good experience as well so I will share that with the

group too so that others will be encouraged to not give up, and to

keep pushing.

I have brought up my sexual dysfunction with my GP numerous times over

the last ten years. I can't say he has believed or disbelieved me

about its causes being my past SSRI use. After my short lived

response to Mirapex I started pushing the issue harder. He at least

agreed that the problem seems to be chemical in nature rather than

psychological.

In the mean time I have seen two new psychiatrists over the past year.

While one didn't seem to respond much in either way to the idea the

second one was clearly a non-beliver and went so far as to imply that

I was a hypochondriac and said it was psychological. (frustrating)

Anyway because I wasn't getting anywhere with my psychiatrist by GP

sent me to one of the best known specialist in psychopharmacology in

the area. He is a clinical psychopharmacologist that runs trials for

new drugs (including the SSRIs in the past) and has vast hands on

experience with patients.

It was a one time consult but it was like no other experience with a

psychiatrist that I have ever had. He openly admitted to many of the

side effects that I experienced on SSRIs most of which other doctors

have dismissed. Even more shocking he said he believed me that it was

possible that SSRIs had caused my persistent sexual dysfunction. He

said Paixl is very bad in this respect and he called it " anti-Viagra "

While he didn't have any suggestions for a solution (besides trying

some Wellbrutrin) it was very refreshing to talk to someone who

believed that at least it was possible. He seemed very knowledgeable

and much more technical than any doctor I have seen previously.

-

>

> A year ago I discovered that I could switch to a

> different and better medical group within my health

> insurance plan. I also decided to keep requesting

> different doctors until I finally got one who was good

> (because the doctor I had had for the two years

> previously was horrible).

>

> Well, the very first new doctor I was assigned to

> seemed great. He really listened to me when I spoke

> to him about this and told me he would talk to a

> couple of the top psychiatrists there and get back to

> me. He joked that if I don't hear back from him, then

> he probably died.

>

> But then, I never DID hear back from him (sent an

> email)...so I wasn't sure what to think.

>

> But yesterday I had another appointment with him for

> something else and wasn't even planning to talk about

> this - however he brought it up. He was very

> apologetic about not getting back to me previously.

> He said he HAD spoken to a couple of the

> psychiatrists, and also had left them messages. But

> they never returned his calls and in turn he never

> ended up contacting me.

>

> Anyhow, he really seemed to have time to talk to me

> about this and fully remembered our conversation from

> last May. He said it was a very important issue,

> seemed to believe that it was real, and even said that

> it's typical of his profession to not believe anything

> outside the box or what has been taught (adding 'as

> you may have noticed').

>

> I was kind of amazed. I believe he is a very

> well-established and respected doctor too.

>

> So what is the point of this message? Well, I know

> that not everyone even has health insurance and that

> there are a lot of limitations within these plans -

> but it's really worth figuring out what your options

> are. I suffered through having a horrible doctor for

> absolutely no reason. I mean, she was spewing venom

> every time I spoke with her, and was completely

> arrogant...and really wrong about everything I heard

> her say.

>

> The other thing is that I'll keep you guys posted on

> what happens when I talk to him next. I told him

> about the Dostinex, Selegiline, and Requip and he was

> interested in those too. He thought that a PET scan

> could potentially reveal something if analyzed

> properly.

>

> Also I had my SHBG levels tested & will post the

> results when I get them. I'm sure that's not where

> the problem lies but thought it was worth testing just

> in case. And it seems like he would be willing to

> file a compaint with the FDA - but I didn't mention

> that yet and have to find out more about how it works.

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I dunno, it sounds to me like you had clinically significant

improvements, but they were inconsistent. And the rebound effect you

had was definitely significant. I think there may be an explanantion

for how that happened, which I'll write more about later today.

Also, I don't think it's necessary to wait and see how Biker and I do

on the dostinex because we all respond differently. For example,

selegiline didn't help me at all, but it did help you. I might not

respond at all to dostinex, but you might respond very well, or vice

versa - there's just no way of knowing.

>

> So are you considering trying to boost dopamine levels? BTW, I

> would say now that Selegiline seemed promising but the gains seemed

> limited, inconsistent and overall not very 'clinically significant'.

> I am now considering dostinex or requip, but think I will wait for

> word from Vornan and further word from Biker before I start.

>

> Velden

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think any doctors are cool. At least I've never met one

yet. , this guy that you saw: if he's conducting clinical

trials with antidpressants and has treated thousands of patients

with them, then he is guilty of malpractice IMO. The hippocratic

oath is " First do no harm " . If a doctor with his knowledge is still

handing out and testing these drugs, then he is breaking that oath.

Anyone who would hand out something so dangerous to so many people

has no real concern for our wellbeing. Why isn't he speaking out

about it if he knows so much? Why isn't he writing articles and

speaking with the FDA?

If it sounds like I'm bitter that's probably because I am.

Vornan

> >

> > A year ago I discovered that I could switch to a

> > different and better medical group within my health

> > insurance plan. I also decided to keep requesting

> > different doctors until I finally got one who was good

> > (because the doctor I had had for the two years

> > previously was horrible).

> >

> > Well, the very first new doctor I was assigned to

> > seemed great. He really listened to me when I spoke

> > to him about this and told me he would talk to a

> > couple of the top psychiatrists there and get back to

> > me. He joked that if I don't hear back from him, then

> > he probably died.

> >

> > But then, I never DID hear back from him (sent an

> > email)...so I wasn't sure what to think.

> >

> > But yesterday I had another appointment with him for

> > something else and wasn't even planning to talk about

> > this - however he brought it up. He was very

> > apologetic about not getting back to me previously.

> > He said he HAD spoken to a couple of the

> > psychiatrists, and also had left them messages. But

> > they never returned his calls and in turn he never

> > ended up contacting me.

> >

> > Anyhow, he really seemed to have time to talk to me

> > about this and fully remembered our conversation from

> > last May. He said it was a very important issue,

> > seemed to believe that it was real, and even said that

> > it's typical of his profession to not believe anything

> > outside the box or what has been taught (adding 'as

> > you may have noticed').

> >

> > I was kind of amazed. I believe he is a very

> > well-established and respected doctor too.

> >

> > So what is the point of this message? Well, I know

> > that not everyone even has health insurance and that

> > there are a lot of limitations within these plans -

> > but it's really worth figuring out what your options

> > are. I suffered through having a horrible doctor for

> > absolutely no reason. I mean, she was spewing venom

> > every time I spoke with her, and was completely

> > arrogant...and really wrong about everything I heard

> > her say.

> >

> > The other thing is that I'll keep you guys posted on

> > what happens when I talk to him next. I told him

> > about the Dostinex, Selegiline, and Requip and he was

> > interested in those too. He thought that a PET scan

> > could potentially reveal something if analyzed

> > properly.

> >

> > Also I had my SHBG levels tested & will post the

> > results when I get them. I'm sure that's not where

> > the problem lies but thought it was worth testing just

> > in case. And it seems like he would be willing to

> > file a compaint with the FDA - but I didn't mention

> > that yet and have to find out more about how it works.

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> If it sounds like I'm bitter that's probably because I am.

>

> Vornan

>

lol, couldnt agree more.

Im sure there are some doctors out there that are really concerned

about our wellbeing but prob very very veyr few in the whole doctor

coummunity.

I was talking to my friend who is on his way to becoming a doctor. He

would put down anyone doctor that was out of MD area like

accuputurists, ND, and DOs. like if it is like a race to become a

higher class person and as if they are very much inferior than MDs,

maybe its just my friend but I wouldnt be surprised if other doctors

think the same way, I mean they do study a lot, they are prob tired of

studying and accepting the facts that things change.

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. I've managed to convince some of the dumb shrinks here

that this is a genuine phenomenon, but just because they believe me

doens't mean that I have any respect for them. In fact I have

none. One of the sawbones here was so stupid that he said that I

had a serotonin deficiency and should go back on an SSRI to correct

it. He told me by way of analogy that he had been taking lipitor

for years because he had " a statin deficieny " . That's literally

like saying " I'm taking aspirin because I have an aspirin

deficiency " . There is no such thing as a statin deficiency because

statins do not exist in the human body - a statin is a class of

medications for lowering cholesterol. Most doctors are dangerous

IMO. Walking into a shrink's office is one of the most dangeorus

things you can do,

-- In SSRIsex , " zoloftscrwd4life "

<zoloftscrwd4life@y...> wrote:

>

>

> >

> > If it sounds like I'm bitter that's probably because I am.

> >

> > Vornan

> >

>

> lol, couldnt agree more.

> Im sure there are some doctors out there that are really concerned

> about our wellbeing but prob very very veyr few in the whole

doctor

> coummunity.

>

> I was talking to my friend who is on his way to becoming a doctor.

He

> would put down anyone doctor that was out of MD area like

> accuputurists, ND, and DOs. like if it is like a race to become a

> higher class person and as if they are very much inferior than

MDs,

> maybe its just my friend but I wouldnt be surprised if other

doctors

> think the same way, I mean they do study a lot, they are prob

tired of

> studying and accepting the facts that things change.

>

[Guest guest]

Lol, it kind of reminds me of the whole good cop bad cop act that law

enforcement utilizes.

>

> I don't think any doctors are cool. At least I've never met one

> yet. , this guy that you saw: if he's conducting clinical

> trials with antidpressants and has treated thousands of patients

> with them, then he is guilty of malpractice IMO. The hippocratic

> oath is " First do no harm " . If a doctor with his knowledge is still

> handing out and testing these drugs, then he is breaking that oath.

> Anyone who would hand out something so dangerous to so many people

> has no real concern for our wellbeing. Why isn't he speaking out

> about it if he knows so much? Why isn't he writing articles and

> speaking with the FDA?

>

> If it sounds like I'm bitter that's probably because I am.

>

> Vornan

>

[Guest guest]

I don't get it. Who are the cops?

> >

> > I don't think any doctors are cool. At least I've never met one

> > yet. , this guy that you saw: if he's conducting clinical

> > trials with antidpressants and has treated thousands of patients

> > with them, then he is guilty of malpractice IMO. The hippocratic

> > oath is " First do no harm " . If a doctor with his knowledge is

still

> > handing out and testing these drugs, then he is breaking that

oath.

> > Anyone who would hand out something so dangerous to so many

people

> > has no real concern for our wellbeing. Why isn't he speaking

out

> > about it if he knows so much? Why isn't he writing articles and

> > speaking with the FDA?

> >

> > If it sounds like I'm bitter that's probably because I am.

> >

> > Vornan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

from wikipedia

Two 'cops' alternate their interviews. The 'Bad Cop' behaves

negatively toward the subject, making blatant accusations, derogatory

comments, threats, and in general raising the subject's antipathy.

This sets the stage for the 'Good Cop' to deceptively act supportive,

understanding, defensive, and in general show sympathy for the

subject, which may make the subject cooperative towards the latter.

It's not an exact fit because there's no interrogation, but I see a

humorous similarity.

>

> I don't get it. Who are the cops?

>

>

> > >

> > > I don't think any doctors are cool. At least I've never met one

> > > yet. , this guy that you saw: if he's conducting clinical

> > > trials with antidpressants and has treated thousands of patients

> > > with them, then he is guilty of malpractice IMO. The hippocratic

> > > oath is " First do no harm " . If a doctor with his knowledge is

> still

> > > handing out and testing these drugs, then he is breaking that

> oath.

> > > Anyone who would hand out something so dangerous to so many

> people

> > > has no real concern for our wellbeing. Why isn't he speaking

> out

> > > about it if he knows so much? Why isn't he writing articles and

> > > speaking with the FDA?

> > >

> > > If it sounds like I'm bitter that's probably because I am.

> > >

> > > Vornan

> > >

> >

>