Re: Asperger's original paper

[Guest guest]

Sandy, If you have the time to locate the German original, I'll

translate the abstract into English.

Sandy and Tim schrieb:

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> It looks like Uta Frith translated the very original article in 1991

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> I hadn't realsied just how long this work had languished.

>

> ... I wonder if this one _ever _was translated?

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> I think this could be an amazing find!

>

> Very exciting. I could try looking here at Birmingham if needed (but

> I don't think we could have anything so old) - I expect it would need

> an interlibrary loan from the British library.

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> Best wishes,

>

> Sandy

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> >

> > Found the source.

> >

> > Asperger H. Die Psychopathologie des coeliakakranken kindes. /Ann

> > Paediatr /1961; *197: *146-51

> >

> > The title translated is: 'The Psyhopathology Of of the Celiac Child'.

> >

> >

> > I have just done an internet search and cannot bring up the original

> > article. I'll see if I can get this at a uni library.

> >

> >

> >

> > onthesosh schrieb:

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> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > I came across this: " In 1961 Asperger first described a functional

> > > intestinal disorder leading to behavioural psychosis.'

> > >

> > > Is this the orginal description of Asperger syndrome? Has anyone ever

> > > seen, or read, his original paper, which is presumably in German?

> > >

> > > If the above statement is true, why don't we know more aout the

> > > functional intestinal disorder?

> > >

> > > Can anyone clear this up for me, please.

> > >

> > > TIA

> > > Patience

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi /Patience,

My library have been a great help. I realised that being German the

British Library probably wouldn't have it BUT I asked our library here

at Birmingham to help and ...

" After some initial investigating we have found that the British

Library appear to hold the les Paediatrici from 1938-1966. " :-)

So I'm completing a loan request and I'll let you know when it arrives

(might be a couple of weeks).

I saw Dr Wakefield had referenced this paper - I guess he may have a

copy but I think he also has other things on his mind so we can wait

for this copy. It's exciting.

Best wishes,

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Hi and Patience,

I have just collected the paper (Asperger's 1961 Psychopathology of

Children with Coeliac Disease) from inter-library loan. Apparently,

most of the citations give the wrong page numbers it is

pp346-351.

The English summary at the end says:

" Reference is made to the uniform psychic changes observed in patients

suffering from coeliac disease and it is assumed that a certain

constitution is a precondition of the coeliac syndrome. On the whole

follow-up studies reveal a good prognosis in regard to psychic

behaviour of these pateints. "

will you send me an email and I will attach a scan in the reply.

It looks like a non-technical, readable paper (except for being in

German :-)!) - quite big type and a couple of photos of children.

Best wishes,

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Could you send me one too please Sandy?

Sally

Sandy and Tim wrote:

>

> Hi and Patience,

>

> I have just collected the paper (Asperger's 1961 Psychopathology of

> Children with Coeliac Disease) from inter-library loan. Apparently,

> most of the citations give the wrong page numbers it is

> pp346-351.

>

> The English summary at the end says:

> " Reference is made to the uniform psychic changes observed in patients

> suffering from coeliac disease and it is assumed that a certain

> constitution is a precondition of the coeliac syndrome. On the whole

> follow-up studies reveal a good prognosis in regard to psychic

> behaviour of these pateints. "

>

> will you send me an email and I will attach a scan in the reply.

> It looks like a non-technical, readable paper (except for being in

> German :-)!) - quite big type and a couple of photos of children.

>

> Best wishes,

> Sandy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sure, will do. There is a German native speaker on board and hopefully

she will chime in. I know she'll do a better job of grappling with the

paper :-))) but I''lld do what I can.

I am in dreadful thesis stress and having discovered a major flaw, I am

in a right flap.

Sandy and Tim schrieb:

>

> Hi and Patience,

>

> I have just collected the paper (Asperger's 1961 Psychopathology of

> Children with Coeliac Disease) from inter-library loan. Apparently,

> most of the citations give the wrong page numbers it is

> pp346-351.

>

> The English summary at the end says:

> " Reference is made to the uniform psychic changes observed in patients

> suffering from coeliac disease and it is assumed that a certain

> constitution is a precondition of the coeliac syndrome. On the whole

> follow-up studies reveal a good prognosis in regard to psychic

> behaviour of these pateints. "

>

> will you send me an email and I will attach a scan in the reply.

> It looks like a non-technical, readable paper (except for being in

> German :-)!) - quite big type and a couple of photos of children.

>

> Best wishes,

> Sandy

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi and Sally,

The paper scanned to nearly 8MBytes. I've emailed it but it may be a

bit big for your IN trays. Let me know if you don't get it and we will

work something else out.

Best wishes,

Sandy