Re: What is phallicephaly

February 7, 2002

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> I don't know what it means

It means you are a dickhead. I did not expect to have to explain

that one.

CZ

February 8, 2002

antreges@... wrote:

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> >

> > I don't know what it means

>

> It means you are a dickhead. I did not expect to have to explain

> that one.

Come on now, please, no personal attacks.

February 8, 2002

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> antreges@... wrote:

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> > >

> > > I don't know what it means

> >

> > It means you are a dickhead. I did not expect to have to explain

> > that one.

>

> Come on now, please, no personal attacks.

My most humble apologies.

CZ

February 8, 2002

I was just about to answer this question seriously, then I read it was just

CZ's way of saying dickhead. Sorry, no sense of humour.

My dictionary only has phallocentric = " centred on men " , but I think it

should be " phallocephaly " . Depending on your interpretation it may mean "

male-mindedness " or " penis-mindedness " .

HTH

Neil

What is phallicephaly

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> I don't know what it means

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February 8, 2002

> I was just about to answer this question seriously, then I read it was just

> CZ's way of saying dickhead. Sorry, no sense of humour.

>

> My dictionary only has phallocentric = " centred on men " , but I think it

> should be " phallocephaly " . Depending on your interpretation it may mean "

> male-mindedness " or " penis-mindedness " .

You could be correct. I have agonised for quite a while over the

correct root of the word phallus. I originally called it

" phalluscephaly " and was discussing with my brother (who is a fifth

year medical student) the ethics of sufferers who work in the

medical professions treating patients with this disorder... and my

brother also suggested including into my essay (if I ever write it) a

large section on the ethics of phallicephalic (as he put it.. I still am

not sure the correct way to construct the word) patients getting

their drivers' licenses... as during puberty certain changes may

happen that could obscure their vision thus creating a hazard on

the roads, depending on the location of the misplaced genitalia.

I am not the only one who thinks in odd ways in my immediate

family, although my brother seems quite NT despite being a little

strange due to family problems. If he is on the spectrum, he would

be only just on it. He probably is not at all. I have only recently had

any real contact with him when he phoned me to ask me to

download some files for him while he had no net connection and

subsequently took me to the movies twice; an experience which I

did enjoy but which was quite overloading. My brother can be

incredibly nasty and also incredibly amusing. Unfortunately, I have

trouble predicting which will happen when.

CZ

February 8, 2002

In this case wouldn't all males be sufferers of phallicephaly?

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February 8, 2002

> In this case wouldn't all males be sufferers of phallicephaly?

<joke>According to many females, yes.</joke>

Depends on the definition of the word. I was using it as a sort of

medical joke play on the word hydrocephaly, which describes fluid

around the brain as far as I am aware not water-mindedness. More

accurately, I would have meant penisbrain by it, but dickhead

usually suffices. Some females would insist that all males are

penisbrains (or that they think with their penises rather than their

brains), but I am sure that not all males are like that.

Anyway, this is actually off the topic of autism. I am sorry for

starting a conversation that was out of place and off topic. I shall

endeavour to behave myself in future.

CZ

February 9, 2002

Okay, a couple of questions before I quite;

1)How did I exactly frustrate you lately? I am not being

offensive/ defensive here; just thinking may be I could fix some of it

for future. BTW if I was offensive it wasn't on purpose.

2)Just for a general education. If all this means is thinking like a

male, then how can it possibly *not* apply to all males? Is it an

extreme maleness or what? In what sense is it extreme and what causes

it?

3)What are the symptoms of it?

February 9, 2002

> 1)How did I exactly frustrate you lately? I am not being

> offensive/ defensive here; just thinking may be I could fix some of it

> for future. BTW if I was offensive it wasn't on purpose.

I have already explained how you offended me. Not so much

offended but annoyed. I do not like unsolicited ignorant advice. I

prefer if people are going to give me advice they check their facts

and check if I already know what they are telling me or not (or if the

advice is at all relevant to my situation as yours was not, seeing as

you did not bother to ask anything about the situation before doling

out your irritating advice). I really do have a problem with people

who spout nonsense about a field on which I have perseverated for

a large part of the past ten years as if they know what they are

talking about. Some poor uninitiated people could be harmed by

ignorant psychiatric advice, but this is redundant. If you are not

aware of what offended me in your email, then that is even more

reason for me to find you annoying.

> 2)Just for a general education. If all this means is thinking like a

> male, then how can it possibly *not* apply to all males? Is it an

> extreme maleness or what? In what sense is it extreme and what causes

> it?

The word in a medical sense does not exist. As a play on words

joking medical term, it does not mean male-minded. I means penis

on the brain just as hydrocephaly is a condition where fluid builds

up around the brain (and I have not looked up the technical details

of this... not sure exactly where or how but I do know that they put

shunts in to drain it in a lot of cases). I was not meaning you have

a male mind, I was meaning a phallus on your brain (or head). It

was an insult but a joking way of saying it, as you seem to think

you are expert enough to give out psychiatric advice, I thought I

would suggest you look into that mental illness.

> 3)What are the symptoms of it?

I have been warned not to write personal insults. If I were allowed to

write personal insults I would probably say look in a mirror, but I

am trying to behave myself. Oh drat, I said it anyway. Sorry .

CZ

P.S. I did not intend the message to turn into a long discussion. I

had no idea that anybody would take me seriously on it.

February 9, 2002

> > 1)How did I exactly frustrate you lately? I am not being

> > offensive/ defensive here; just thinking may be I could fix some of it

> > for future. BTW if I was offensive it wasn't on purpose.

>

> I have already explained how you offended me. Not so much

> offended but annoyed. I do not like unsolicited ignorant advice. I

> prefer if people are going to give me advice they check their facts

> and check if I already know what they are telling me or not (or if the

> advice is at all relevant to my situation as yours was not, seeing as

> you did not bother to ask anything about the situation before doling

> out your irritating advice). I really do have a problem with people

> who spout nonsense about a field on which I have perseverated for

> a large part of the past ten years as if they know what they are

> talking about. Some poor uninitiated people could be harmed by

> ignorant psychiatric advice, but this is redundant. If you are not

> aware of what offended me in your email, then that is even more

> reason for me to find you annoying.

>

> > 2)Just for a general education. If all this means is thinking like a

> > male, then how can it possibly *not* apply to all males? Is it an

> > extreme maleness or what? In what sense is it extreme and what causes

> > it?

>

> The word in a medical sense does not exist. As a play on words

> joking medical term, it does not mean male-minded. I means penis

> on the brain just as hydrocephaly is a condition where fluid builds

> up around the brain (and I have not looked up the technical details

> of this... not sure exactly where or how but I do know that they put

> shunts in to drain it in a lot of cases). I was not meaning you have

> a male mind, I was meaning a phallus on your brain (or head). It

> was an insult but a joking way of saying it, as you seem to think

> you are expert enough to give out psychiatric advice, I thought I

> would suggest you look into that mental illness.

>

> > 3)What are the symptoms of it?

>

> I have been warned not to write personal insults. If I were allowed to

> write personal insults I would probably say look in a mirror, but I

> am trying to behave myself. Oh drat, I said it anyway. Sorry .

>

> CZ

>

> P.S. I did not intend the message to turn into a long discussion. I

> had no idea that anybody would take me seriously on it.

P.P.S. It appears to me (based on observation) that phall[o]cephaly

is harder to snap out of than depression or schizophrenia or any

other mental illness that people could quit their pills and talk

themselves into recovering from. That was something I intended to

write up if/when I do write a joking DSM definition of phall[o]cephaly

(blah I will just change the spelling for good.. it seems alright to me

this way)... that due to the patient's inability to have insight into or

acknowledge their own condition, it would be inadvisable for

phallocephalic medical practitioners to treat phallocephalic

patients. This lack of insight does seem to be rather widespread

among people afflicted with this disorder. It is unclear at present

whether the condition is congenital or whether it has environmental

causes and possibly it is a combination of both. Whatever the

cause, prognosis does seem to be rather poor as phallocephalics

tend to stay as such and most interventions fail to have any

noticeable efficacy.

February 9, 2002

Hi again.

Disclaimer to previous message.

I am not under the opinion that endogenous depression or

schizophrenia or any other psychiatric illness can be snapped out

of. That goes for most disorders that are not actually chemical as

well... I have not seen a case of Borderline Personality Disorder or

PTSD or anxiety/panic/phobic condition respond well to the " snap

out of it " treatment either... those things tend to be treatable but

not without a fair amount of psychotherapy in most cases and often

with drug intervention as an adjunct. The " it's all in your

head " / " snap out of it " / " you could get over it if you wanted to " type

of attitude is part of what caused me to get irritated, the result of

which was this thread, in the first place.

CZ

February 9, 2002

Actually I had liquid in my head when I was infant. My mother was

given a certain medication that would make one pie more and thus get

those liquids out of the head. Thus, when I drank my mother's milk I

got it with milk and it worked. I didn't have it eventually. The

symptoms that they noticed was stiffness. Anyway, when the liquid was

gone the stiffness was gone as well. Is it in a dirrection you are

talking about?

I mean it might be something practical: like is it something recurrent

and would it be a good idea to go to the health center and get tested

for it? What words should I use so that they would take me seriously?

By the way, I do NOT and never did tell everybody whoever is on meds

to stop taking them. The ONLY thing that motivated me was that you

said that due to meds you don't do anything and lack all interests.

That was the ONLY reason I emailed it to you. In fact, you were the

only person whom I advised it within last few years. I admit that a

few years ago there also could be a couple of people whom I made such

advice, but it was for similar reason: they mentioned their side

effects. They didn't find it offensive. Let me stress it was only a

COUPLE of people.

Also, on the Internet I have seen a lot of people advising each other

even if they don't know each other very well. If I told you something

you are already familiar with, well, just a little waist of your time,

who cares? I personally would be more offended to hear something from

someone who knows me well then from a stranger.

Anyhow, I really don't see why you still offending me for it if it was

said a few weeks ago. How offensive could it be if you still remember

it and bring it back out of the blue?

I, personally, get tons of unsolicited mail. Sure, I would rather not.

But I don't get angry at that. Its not personal after all. And I have

plenty of other things to worry about as to give a crap to unsolicited

mail I get. If it doesn't apply to you, just ignore it! How hard could

it be?

February 10, 2002

> Actually I had liquid in my head when I was infant. My mother was

> given a certain medication that would make one pie more and thus get

> those liquids out of the head. Thus, when I drank my mother's milk I

> got it with milk and it worked. I didn't have it eventually. The

> symptoms that they noticed was stiffness. Anyway, when the liquid was

> gone the stiffness was gone as well. Is it in a dirrection you are

> talking about?

As I said, I do not know much about hydrocephaly. If it is

something you wish to know about, use a search engine and find

out.

> I mean it might be something practical: like is it something recurrent

> and would it be a good idea to go to the health center and get tested

> for it?

Same as above answer.

> What words should I use so that they would take me seriously?

Personally, I am not a believer in " using " words to get people to

take me seriously. If the simply stated truth or account of your

concern is not enough to be taken seriously, then to me it does not

warrant attention. People who " use " words to get people to think or

behave in a certain manner are known as manipulators. I am no fan

of manipulators. Having grown up in a house full of them, I have no

wish to interact with such people more than I have to. Growing up

as an undiagnosed HFA child was hard enough in the " normal "

world but with people who try to say things in ways that get others

to think or do what they want, it is much harder.

> By the way, I do NOT and never did tell everybody whoever is on meds

> to stop taking them. The ONLY thing that motivated me was that you

> said that due to meds you don't do anything and lack all interests.

> That was the ONLY reason I emailed it to you.

Regardless of side effects, you do not know my condition. You

also wasted your own time typing that email up without even

checking with me whether I was still on medications or not and if

so which. If I was on medications with adverse side effects, there is

a good chance that I would be under medical supervision. Most

medications have side effects. Some people need them regardless

of discomfort. To use a schizophrenic for an example, they might

be better off with bluntening of affect and apathy from medication

than they would with positive psychotic symptoms.

I never said I don't do anything and I lack all interests. I said I

spend more time doing nothing these days. That does not mean I

do nothing at all and have no interests. It just means I spend more

time doing nothing than I used to. From my point of view, it is

largely due to the amount that I did do and how hard both I and my

primary caregiver pushed me to excel that I broke down and could

not cope with life in the first place. Had anybody looked past the

little wunderkind exterior, they would have seen a child who was

hurting and not coping very well at all and hiding behind prizes and

achievements because I did not dare admit that I was falling apart.

Had anybody seen past the talented little eccentric kid, they might

have realised I had a problem rather than that I was just gifted and

worth exploiting.

Anyway, whether you think my side effects are intolerable or not

(assuming that I was on medication with side effects... I am not on

such drugs now but you did not consider to find that out before

wasting bandwidth and time)... it is up to me and my doctors to

advise me about whether the side effects outweigh the benefits.

> In fact, you were the

> only person whom I advised it within last few years. I admit that a

> few years ago there also could be a couple of people whom I made such

> advice, but it was for similar reason: they mentioned their side

> effects.

So what. I see people on irc every day talking about awful side

effects from medications. If you have ever experienced an

occulogyric crisis you would probably not think of apathy and flat

affect as such terrible things worth stopping medicines for.

Regardless of whether I think I would not like those side effects or

not, I do not tell people in the irc channel to stop their medications

because of side effects. I tell them if I think what they describe

warrants it that they maybe should make an earlier appointment

with their treating psychiatrist to review their medication plan,

rather than doling out my own untrained point of view.

> They didn't find it offensive.

I am me, not them. Whether " they " find something offensive or not

has nothing to do with me.

> Let me stress it was only a

> COUPLE of people.

I do not care that it was only a couple of people. You did it to me

and that irritated me. I answered your question when you asked me

what offended me.

> Also, on the Internet I have seen a lot of people advising each other

> even if they don't know each other very well. If I told you something

> you are already familiar with, well, just a little waist of your time,

> who cares?

I care. I am not subscribed to a mailing list comprised of autistic

spectrum people only where there is usually little to no annoying

banter to attract little wastes of my time. Who the hell are you to

judge whether I should care about my time being wasted?

(rhetorical question.. please do not answer it... and preferably don't

answer the rest of this email either because I have better things to

do than argue with you... that is why I called you a dickhead rather

than waste my time and aggravate my RSI by trying to argue logic

with you... I could do that equally well with the dead tree in my

front garden... it may not understand but at least it would be more

efficient because the tree would not make it that I either had to

walk away or keep explaining things that would inevitably not be

understood... and yes it is by choice that I wrote this and you have

the free will and choice to reply to it, but that would probably be

futile as starting from tomorrow I have much better things to be

doing than writing to you)

> I personally would be more offended to hear something from

> someone who knows me well then from a stranger.

Why? You prefer ignorant advice to possibly knowledgable advice?

I would prefer to receive advice from somebody who at least knew a

little about the situation than some person who knows virtually

nothing about it.

> Anyhow, I really don't see why you still offending me for it if it was

> said a few weeks ago. How offensive could it be if you still remember

> it and bring it back out of the blue?

For me, it is not out of the blue. I have sat here reading the other

tripe you have been posting here on this list. Granted, some of the

things you say I do think are apt, but not in the context in which

you have been saying them. I have not joined in because the other

discussion has been between and you. I see both your

points in some ways but I do have to agree mainly with him.

However, that is not a discussion with me and I do not want to

waste my own time and hurt my wrists by getting involved in it.

There is other email I would much rather write.

> I, personally, get tons of unsolicited mail. Sure, I would rather not.

Then if you would rather not, why would you think anybody else

would want it? I rather not receive unsolicited mail either.

Especially when it is the sort you sent me.

> But I don't get angry at that. Its not personal after all.

It is personal. It is not written to Joe Bloggs. It is written to me and

is in my personal mailbox not the list one, so I consider it to be

personal. Whether you get angry or not about that sort of thing is

your business. I was not particularly angry about it at first. But I did

get angry when instead of just saying " point taken " and agreeing

not to do it again, you pasted the whole email to the list and

continued it. There was no damned reason at all for that. I had

already responded to you privately so you need not have done that

in order for me to respond. You could have just said yes ok I will

not email you privately with my advice again without asking you

first or something equivalent.

> And I have

> plenty of other things to worry about as to give a crap to unsolicited

> mail I get. If it doesn't apply to you, just ignore it! How hard could

> it be?

You are assuming that it is hard for me to ignore mail? I have my

own reasons for doing things and they are really none of your

business. Do not tell me what to do with mail I receive. I will do as I

please with it. If you do not want the possibility of receiving

negative responses some of the time when you send out

unsolicited email advice, then don't send it out in the first place to

people you do not know.

Bye,

CZ

February 10, 2002

Actually what I meant is that I wouldn't be taken seriously if I ask

to test me whether or not I am a " dickhead " . phallicephaly doesn't

sound that way, but I am skeptical about it too since none of the

search agents show it. Besides I mean to refer to fluids in my brain

rather than a penis thing. So I am asking what word should I use to be

taken seriously meaning NOT TO SAY SOMETHING GOOFY as opposed to

manipulating. This is a serious question since I actually don't know.

February 10, 2002

> Actually what I meant is that I wouldn't be taken seriously if I ask

> to test me whether or not I am a " dickhead " . phallicephaly doesn't

> sound that way, but I am skeptical about it too since none of the

> search agents show it.

I stated that it was a joking way of saying it and that I had made it

up.

> Besides I mean to refer to fluids in my brain

> rather than a penis thing. So I am asking what word should I use to be

> taken seriously meaning NOT TO SAY SOMETHING GOOFY as opposed to

> manipulating. This is a serious question since I actually don't know.

If you are worried about something, go tell a doctor in your own

words. You know what your concern is so what is wrong with

expressing that to a physician rather than some words of

somebody you do not know over the internet.

Most people do not go into a doctors surgery and ask do I have

[some long medical word they don't understand]. If you have

symptoms that concern you or you have a history that concerns

you then go tell your doctor about it in your own damned words.

CZ

February 10, 2002

<<

Anyway, this is actually off the topic of autism. I am sorry for

starting a conversation that was out of place and off topic. I shall

endeavour to behave myself in future.

CZ

>>

Awwww.....please don't!!

I learned a new word!

(lol)

Nanne

February 10, 2002