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Sepp wrote:

> If I remember correctly, Herz claims MCS is fear based.

> Is someone who has a peanut allergy told their efforts to avoid

peanut exposure or their allergic reactions are " fear-based " ?

>

My first thought when my commanding officer hit the floor after

yelling in my face for disobeying orders was that I had made him so

enraged that he'd had a heart attack.

As if that wasn't surreal enough, to have your CO suddenly drop and

start writhing around, turning colors, the sergeant asked me " What

did you have for lunch? "

What? The poor guy is dying... and this crazy sergeant wants to

indulge in idle conversation? " A sandwich " I replied.

This seemed to make the sgt. mad, for he yelled loudly " WHAT KIND OF

SANDWICH " .

" Peanut butter "

" That's it then " he said as he turned to help the captain, who was

curled up on the floor, gasping for breath.

This was an impressive demonstration of peanut allergy.

Just a few molecules was enough to knock him out, and he never saw it

coming. There was no way this could be any kind of " fear-based "

response.

As I said in Chapt 23 of Mold Warriors, this incident shaped my view

of mold reactivity.

As soon as I realized that my " allergy " wasn't acting like anything

like an allergy, I remembered my captain, and said " That's IT then " .

-MW

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Regarding:

" As I said in Chapt 23 of Mold Warriors, this incident shaped my view

of mold reactivity. "

Response:

So instead of being the (anonymous perhaps even anomalous) subject of " Chapt

23 of Mold Warriors " , now you are the author. What's the next claim?

Tony

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Tony, if you examine the subject matter of chapter 23, you will find

that aside from the comments by Dr. Shoemaker, it is written in

the " first person " tense, which suggests the strong possibility that

this portion was written by someone other than Dr. Shoemaker.

- (Not very " Anonymous " )

" Tony Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE " wrote:

>

> :

>

> Regarding:

>

> " As I said in Chapt 23 of Mold Warriors, this incident shaped my

view of mold reactivity. "

>

>

> Response:

>

> So instead of being the (anonymous perhaps even anomalous) subject

of " Chapt 23 of Mold Warriors " , now you are the author. What's the

next claim?

>

>

> Tony

>

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With changes coming in healthcare, people who want to avoid changes

are saying all sorts of stuff...

Its kind of like the Bell Curve debate.. In the early 90s, after

Clinton was elected, some influential people went to elaborate lengths

to explain to all of us that no amount of increased financing could

save the public education system..

If I recall their well financed arguments were repeated by various

think tanks ...

Its all about money.... Preventing MCS will involve preventing

exposures.. and treating people..

that costs money...

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Regarding:

" Tony, if you examine the subject matter of chapter 23, you will find

that aside from the comments by Dr. Shoemaker, it is written in

the " first person " tense, which suggests the strong possibility that

this portion was written by someone other than Dr. Shoemaker.

- (Not very " Anonymous " ) "

Response:

So, are you declaring that Shoemaker erroneously or fraudulently represented

the work as his when it was actually yours?

Tony

.......................................................................

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pH2, LLC

5250 E US 36, Suite 830

Avon, IN 46123

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off

fax

cell

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Tony, can it really be possible that you are unable to discern that

the part of Chapt 23 which is written in the first-person really is

written by that person, rather than Dr Shoemaker?

-MW

>

>

> Regarding:

>

> " Tony, if you examine the subject matter of chapter 23, you will

find

> that aside from the comments by Dr. Shoemaker, it is written in

> the " first person " tense, which suggests the strong possibility that

> this portion was written by someone other than Dr. Shoemaker.

> - (Not very " Anonymous " ) "

>

>

> Response:

>

> So, are you declaring that Shoemaker erroneously or fraudulently

represented

> the work as his when it was actually yours?

>

>

>

> Tony

>

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(long again - sorry)

:

1. Statement:

" I receive no money from Mold Warriors and do not have any " financial

self supporting bias " you suggest. "

Response:

My apologies for the mis-confusion. I did not mean YOUR " financial

self supporting bias " , but Shoemaker's. I would expect him to be the

one

publish in a peer-review journal, not you.

Again, sorry for the confusion.

[Note: I recognize from on- and off-list comments that you have not

gained

but rather lost from your experiences]

2. Statement:

" Moreover, You appear to be laboring under the misperception that

statistics are required to constitute proof. "

Response:

A. So, I know of one person who has survived a parachute failure, does

that mean we should jump to the conclusion that we don't need them?

Or is

that in aeror? [puns intended]

B. One data point is not a statistic and proves nothing in science and

less in court. Perhaps you should review the basis of the scientific

method.

3. Statement:

" As Barry Marshall demonstrated by inducing his own case of ulcers by

drinking an H Pylori cocktail, and then curing them in a controlled

clinical test, this one experiment was sufficient to demonstrate the

viability of the concept the very first time it was done. "

Response:

You sound like a broken record. You sound like a broken record. You

sound

like a broken record.

Q1: Can you name another example? Or do you have only one example, as

in a non-statistic? Or rather an anecdote?

Q2: Did Mr. Marshall do only one demonstration before trying to

publish?

And didn't he actually publish?? As in submit to peer review?

Q3: Would you gamble all your money for one shot at the lottery?

Should

everyone else at your (scientifically unsupported) opinion?

4. Statement:

" As Dr Shoemaker wrote in the beginning of my chapter: "

Response:

I may have accused Shoemaker of " financial self supporting bias " , but

after

the statements of the chapter written about YOU, and the " MY

chapter " , I

might have to accuse you of " ego supporting bias " .

5. Oh. Could you answer the questions, or would that require more than

one event?:

Q1: So (based on your response)YOU have no physically measured data

(Identification, amounts, release, pressure, etc.) only (biased)

qualitative

data?

Q2: YOU either have or have not compiled the data (into a form that

statistics could be used on it)?

Q3: Is YOUR data (that YOU are relying on) for one or more cases?

Q4: Is YOUR data (that YOU are relying on) for single person or

grouped

response in this/these case(s)?

Q5: What is the p-value of your conclusory hypothesis?

Tony

> ....................................................................

...

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> pH2, LLC

> 5250 E US 36, Suite 830

> Avon, IN 46123

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> 90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal

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