Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Sepp wrote: > If I remember correctly, Herz claims MCS is fear based. > Is someone who has a peanut allergy told their efforts to avoid peanut exposure or their allergic reactions are " fear-based " ? > My first thought when my commanding officer hit the floor after yelling in my face for disobeying orders was that I had made him so enraged that he'd had a heart attack. As if that wasn't surreal enough, to have your CO suddenly drop and start writhing around, turning colors, the sergeant asked me " What did you have for lunch? " What? The poor guy is dying... and this crazy sergeant wants to indulge in idle conversation? " A sandwich " I replied. This seemed to make the sgt. mad, for he yelled loudly " WHAT KIND OF SANDWICH " . " Peanut butter " " That's it then " he said as he turned to help the captain, who was curled up on the floor, gasping for breath. This was an impressive demonstration of peanut allergy. Just a few molecules was enough to knock him out, and he never saw it coming. There was no way this could be any kind of " fear-based " response. As I said in Chapt 23 of Mold Warriors, this incident shaped my view of mold reactivity. As soon as I realized that my " allergy " wasn't acting like anything like an allergy, I remembered my captain, and said " That's IT then " . -MW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 : Regarding: " As I said in Chapt 23 of Mold Warriors, this incident shaped my view of mold reactivity. " Response: So instead of being the (anonymous perhaps even anomalous) subject of " Chapt 23 of Mold Warriors " , now you are the author. What's the next claim? Tony ....................................................................... " Tony " Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE pH2, LLC 5250 E US 36, Suite 830 Avon, IN 46123 www.ph2llc.com off fax cell 90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any consultant can give you the other 10%(SM) This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and any attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and attachments (including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone at . Delivery of this message and any attachments to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive confidentiality or a privilege. All personal messages express views only of the sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be copied or distributed without this statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Tony, if you examine the subject matter of chapter 23, you will find that aside from the comments by Dr. Shoemaker, it is written in the " first person " tense, which suggests the strong possibility that this portion was written by someone other than Dr. Shoemaker. - (Not very " Anonymous " ) " Tony Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE " wrote: > > : > > Regarding: > > " As I said in Chapt 23 of Mold Warriors, this incident shaped my view of mold reactivity. " > > > Response: > > So instead of being the (anonymous perhaps even anomalous) subject of " Chapt 23 of Mold Warriors " , now you are the author. What's the next claim? > > > Tony > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 With changes coming in healthcare, people who want to avoid changes are saying all sorts of stuff... Its kind of like the Bell Curve debate.. In the early 90s, after Clinton was elected, some influential people went to elaborate lengths to explain to all of us that no amount of increased financing could save the public education system.. If I recall their well financed arguments were repeated by various think tanks ... Its all about money.... Preventing MCS will involve preventing exposures.. and treating people.. that costs money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Regarding: " Tony, if you examine the subject matter of chapter 23, you will find that aside from the comments by Dr. Shoemaker, it is written in the " first person " tense, which suggests the strong possibility that this portion was written by someone other than Dr. Shoemaker. - (Not very " Anonymous " ) " Response: So, are you declaring that Shoemaker erroneously or fraudulently represented the work as his when it was actually yours? Tony ....................................................................... " Tony " Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE pH2, LLC 5250 E US 36, Suite 830 Avon, IN 46123 www.ph2llc.com off fax cell 90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any consultant can give you the other 10%(SM) This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and any attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and attachments (including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone at . Delivery of this message and any attachments to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive confidentiality or a privilege. All personal messages express views only of the sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be copied or distributed without this statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Tony, can it really be possible that you are unable to discern that the part of Chapt 23 which is written in the first-person really is written by that person, rather than Dr Shoemaker? -MW > > > Regarding: > > " Tony, if you examine the subject matter of chapter 23, you will find > that aside from the comments by Dr. Shoemaker, it is written in > the " first person " tense, which suggests the strong possibility that > this portion was written by someone other than Dr. Shoemaker. > - (Not very " Anonymous " ) " > > > Response: > > So, are you declaring that Shoemaker erroneously or fraudulently represented > the work as his when it was actually yours? > > > > Tony > Digest 5b - on Digest 6b. on Re: Biomechanics of conidial dispe Message List Reply | Forward Message #17115 of 18197 < Prev | Next > (long again - sorry) : 1. Statement: " I receive no money from Mold Warriors and do not have any " financial self supporting bias " you suggest. " Response: My apologies for the mis-confusion. I did not mean YOUR " financial self supporting bias " , but Shoemaker's. I would expect him to be the one publish in a peer-review journal, not you. Again, sorry for the confusion. [Note: I recognize from on- and off-list comments that you have not gained but rather lost from your experiences] 2. Statement: " Moreover, You appear to be laboring under the misperception that statistics are required to constitute proof. " Response: A. So, I know of one person who has survived a parachute failure, does that mean we should jump to the conclusion that we don't need them? Or is that in aeror? [puns intended] B. One data point is not a statistic and proves nothing in science and less in court. Perhaps you should review the basis of the scientific method. 3. Statement: " As Barry Marshall demonstrated by inducing his own case of ulcers by drinking an H Pylori cocktail, and then curing them in a controlled clinical test, this one experiment was sufficient to demonstrate the viability of the concept the very first time it was done. " Response: You sound like a broken record. You sound like a broken record. You sound like a broken record. Q1: Can you name another example? Or do you have only one example, as in a non-statistic? Or rather an anecdote? Q2: Did Mr. Marshall do only one demonstration before trying to publish? And didn't he actually publish?? As in submit to peer review? Q3: Would you gamble all your money for one shot at the lottery? Should everyone else at your (scientifically unsupported) opinion? 4. Statement: " As Dr Shoemaker wrote in the beginning of my chapter: " Response: I may have accused Shoemaker of " financial self supporting bias " , but after the statements of the chapter written about YOU, and the " MY chapter " , I might have to accuse you of " ego supporting bias " . 5. Oh. Could you answer the questions, or would that require more than one event?: Q1: So (based on your response)YOU have no physically measured data (Identification, amounts, release, pressure, etc.) only (biased) qualitative data? Q2: YOU either have or have not compiled the data (into a form that statistics could be used on it)? Q3: Is YOUR data (that YOU are relying on) for one or more cases? Q4: Is YOUR data (that YOU are relying on) for single person or grouped response in this/these case(s)? Q5: What is the p-value of your conclusory hypothesis? Tony > .................................................................... ... > " Tony " Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE > pH2, LLC > 5250 E US 36, Suite 830 > Avon, IN 46123 > www.ph2llc.com > > off > fax > cell > > 90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any > consultant can give you the other 10%(SM) > > This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain > legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for > the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are not > the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you > are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and any > attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and attachments > (including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone at > . Delivery of this message and any attachments to any person > other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive > confidentiality or a privilege. All personal messages express views only of > the sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be copied or > distributed without this statement. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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