Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 --- Dana Milmeister <danamilmeister@...> wrote: > Re: breastfeeding - there have been some posts > recently about breastfeeding, and possibly early > weaning. I'm still breastfeeding my 2.5 year old. I'm still breastfeeding my 25-month-old, I absolutely believe in the benefits of extended breastfeeding in combination with good nutrition on the part of both the mother and child. My mother nursed me until I was 3. When my baby teeth came in, they had an enamel defect where it would crumble away in areas, an apparently inborn condition (i.e. it was not due to poor hygiene and diet leading to decay, they were formed that way). But as my adult teeth came in, they had good enamel, and there's no crowding. I have all my wisdom teeth. My teeth aren't perfect, one top front tooth and one side bottom tooth are slightly misaligned, and I do have an overbite due to my lower jaw being somewhat smaller, but there is no overlapping, twisting or anything like that. I believe that both the breastfeeding and the healthy, wholefoods diet with plenty of butter, cod-liver oil, and few refined carbs, which I was given as a young child, helped me to overcome the inborn tooth defect, and to have much better adult teeth than either of my parents. My son unfortunately has the same enamel defect I had, but I believe he will also be able to overcome it with the help of good food and breastfeeding. His baby teeth will probably need dental work, as mine did, but I hope to give him the best chance possible at strong adult teeth. He does seem to have plenty of room in his mouth, and should be fine if I can help him with the enamel problem. I think if I had been better about eating well during my teenage and young adult years, my son would not have had to deal with this at all, but I had an abyssmal diet during those years, and was probably very depleted. By the time I got pregnant, I was back on good food, but in retrospect it wasn't long enough for my body to recover, and I didn't know about Weston Price or NT until after my son was born. > I will be surprised if she needs any > orthodontia (or very little because there's still a > space in between her front teeth I think babies should have some space between their teeth, because adult teeth are bigger and will fill up those spaces. So there's my two cents on the issue, as well. Aubin __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 This topic brings up an interesting point that I would like further clarification on... I know the health of the mother and her diet play a crucial role in the developement of the bone structure (and dental arch) of the child, so it only makes sense to me that an extended breastfeeding could only be beneficial for achieving this. Weston Price's book does not get into specifics on the length of breastfeeding practiced by the cultures he studied, but now I am curious to know how long they did that. Does anyone know? Price emphasizes the importance of the diet in the mother before birth as having the most effect on the child, but it sounds like the length of lactation is just as important. Comments? Becky > > > Re: breastfeeding - there have been some posts > > recently about breastfeeding, and possibly early > > weaning. I'm still breastfeeding my 2.5 year old. > > I'm still breastfeeding my 25-month-old, I absolutely > believe in the benefits of extended breastfeeding in > combination with good nutrition on the part of both > the mother and child. My mother nursed me until I was > 3. When my baby teeth came in, they had an enamel > defect where it would crumble away in areas, an > apparently inborn condition (i.e. it was not due to > poor hygiene and diet leading to decay, they were > formed that way). But as my adult teeth came in, they > had good enamel, and there's no crowding. I have all > my wisdom teeth. My teeth aren't perfect, one top > front tooth and one side bottom tooth are slightly > misaligned, and I do have an overbite due to my lower > jaw being somewhat smaller, but there is no > overlapping, twisting or anything like that. I > believe that both the breastfeeding and the healthy, > wholefoods diet with plenty of butter, cod-liver oil, > and few refined carbs, which I was given as a young > child, helped me to overcome the inborn tooth defect, > and to have much better adult teeth than either of my > parents. > > My son unfortunately has the same enamel defect I had, > but I believe he will also be able to overcome it with > the help of good food and breastfeeding. His baby > teeth will probably need dental work, as mine did, but > I hope to give him the best chance possible at strong > adult teeth. He does seem to have plenty of room in > his mouth, and should be fine if I can help him with > the enamel problem. > > I think if I had been better about eating well during > my teenage and young adult years, my son would not > have had to deal with this at all, but I had an > abyssmal diet during those years, and was probably > very depleted. By the time I got pregnant, I was back > on good food, but in retrospect it wasn't long enough > for my body to recover, and I didn't know about Weston > Price or NT until after my son was born. > > > I will be surprised if she needs any > > orthodontia (or very little because there's still a > > space in between her front teeth > > I think babies should have some space between their > teeth, because adult teeth are bigger and will fill up > those spaces. > > So there's my two cents on the issue, as well. > > Aubin > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 La Leche League cites to a study of human " primitive " peoples, and they nurse anywhere between 3-7 years. (One tribe nursed only 6 months, but that was forced weaning for religious reasons). Another study LLL cites extrapolated how long primates nurse their young, and determined that humans should naturally wean themselves between 3 and 4 years old. From my experience, of all the people I know who did not force weaning, the youngest self-weaner was 2.5, and he was very big for his age, which may have had something to do with it (looked like he was 4). Re: bone structure - from my experience, I think lactation is more important than pre-natal diet on bone structure. My daughter's teeth were really, really bunched close together when they came in. Slowly, with the nursing, I watched them spread out. Speculation: One key may have been that I was on a semi-NT diet during my pregnancy with her (I ate a lot of grass fed beef and all organic produce), but shortly after she was born, and before her teeth came in, I discovered NT and started eating more on that program. That nutrition most likely enhanced the breastmilk, which helped with her bone structure. Dana ----- Original Message ----- From: beckymauldin2001 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 6:20 AM Subject: Re: breastfeeding, food, and teeth This topic brings up an interesting point that I would like further clarification on... I know the health of the mother and her diet play a crucial role in the developement of the bone structure (and dental arch) of the child, so it only makes sense to me that an extended breastfeeding could only be beneficial for achieving this. Weston Price's book does not get into specifics on the length of breastfeeding practiced by the cultures he studied, but now I am curious to know how long they did that. Does anyone know? Price emphasizes the importance of the diet in the mother before birth as having the most effect on the child, but it sounds like the length of lactation is just as important. Comments? Becky > > > Re: breastfeeding - there have been some posts > > recently about breastfeeding, and possibly early > > weaning. I'm still breastfeeding my 2.5 year old. > > I'm still breastfeeding my 25-month-old, I absolutely > believe in the benefits of extended breastfeeding in > combination with good nutrition on the part of both > the mother and child. My mother nursed me until I was > 3. When my baby teeth came in, they had an enamel > defect where it would crumble away in areas, an > apparently inborn condition (i.e. it was not due to > poor hygiene and diet leading to decay, they were > formed that way). But as my adult teeth came in, they > had good enamel, and there's no crowding. I have all > my wisdom teeth. My teeth aren't perfect, one top > front tooth and one side bottom tooth are slightly > misaligned, and I do have an overbite due to my lower > jaw being somewhat smaller, but there is no > overlapping, twisting or anything like that. I > believe that both the breastfeeding and the healthy, > wholefoods diet with plenty of butter, cod-liver oil, > and few refined carbs, which I was given as a young > child, helped me to overcome the inborn tooth defect, > and to have much better adult teeth than either of my > parents. > > My son unfortunately has the same enamel defect I had, > but I believe he will also be able to overcome it with > the help of good food and breastfeeding. His baby > teeth will probably need dental work, as mine did, but > I hope to give him the best chance possible at strong > adult teeth. He does seem to have plenty of room in > his mouth, and should be fine if I can help him with > the enamel problem. > > I think if I had been better about eating well during > my teenage and young adult years, my son would not > have had to deal with this at all, but I had an > abyssmal diet during those years, and was probably > very depleted. By the time I got pregnant, I was back > on good food, but in retrospect it wasn't long enough > for my body to recover, and I didn't know about Weston > Price or NT until after my son was born. > > > I will be surprised if she needs any > > orthodontia (or very little because there's still a > > space in between her front teeth > > I think babies should have some space between their > teeth, because adult teeth are bigger and will fill up > those spaces. > > So there's my two cents on the issue, as well. > > Aubin > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 There is also the fact that sucking helps expand the palate. The skull is easy to move up until around the age of 4 so sucking for a longer time than what is typical for babies is beneficial to the palate and whole cranial structure. Maybe children need that continued pressure on the palate to help expand the cranium (to counter the compression that occures in childbirth) and help make room for teeth. Barb La Leche League cites to a study of human " primitive " peoples, and they nurse anywhere between 3-7 years. (One tribe nursed only 6 months, but that was forced weaning for religious reasons). Another study LLL cites extrapolated how long primates nurse their young, and determined that humans should naturally wean themselves between 3 and 4 years old. From my experience, of all the people I know who did not force weaning, the youngest self-weaner was 2.5, and he was very big for his age, which may have had something to do with it (looked like he was 4). Re: bone structure - from my experience, I think lactation is more important than pre-natal diet on bone structure. My daughter's teeth were really, really bunched close together when they came in. Slowly, with the nursing, I watched them spread out. Speculation: One key may have been that I was on a semi-NT diet during my pregnancy with her (I ate a lot of grass fed beef and all organic produce), but shortly after she was born, and before her teeth came in, I discovered NT and started eating more on that program. That nutrition most likely enhanced the breastmilk, which helped with her bone structure. Dana ----- Original Message ----- From: beckymauldin2001 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 6:20 AM Subject: Re: breastfeeding, food, and teeth This topic brings up an interesting point that I would like further clarification on... I know the health of the mother and her diet play a crucial role in the developement of the bone structure (and dental arch) of the child, so it only makes sense to me that an extended breastfeeding could only be beneficial for achieving this. Weston Price's book does not get into specifics on the length of breastfeeding practiced by the cultures he studied, but now I am curious to know how long they did that. Does anyone know? Price emphasizes the importance of the diet in the mother before birth as having the most effect on the child, but it sounds like the length of lactation is just as important. Comments? Becky > > > Re: breastfeeding - there have been some posts > > recently about breastfeeding, and possibly early > > weaning. I'm still breastfeeding my 2.5 year old. > > I'm still breastfeeding my 25-month-old, I absolutely > believe in the benefits of extended breastfeeding in > combination with good nutrition on the part of both > the mother and child. My mother nursed me until I was > 3. When my baby teeth came in, they had an enamel > defect where it would crumble away in areas, an > apparently inborn condition (i.e. it was not due to > poor hygiene and diet leading to decay, they were > formed that way). But as my adult teeth came in, they > had good enamel, and there's no crowding. I have all > my wisdom teeth. My teeth aren't perfect, one top > front tooth and one side bottom tooth are slightly > misaligned, and I do have an overbite due to my lower > jaw being somewhat smaller, but there is no > overlapping, twisting or anything like that. I > believe that both the breastfeeding and the healthy, > wholefoods diet with plenty of butter, cod-liver oil, > and few refined carbs, which I was given as a young > child, helped me to overcome the inborn tooth defect, > and to have much better adult teeth than either of my > parents. > > My son unfortunately has the same enamel defect I had, > but I believe he will also be able to overcome it with > the help of good food and breastfeeding. His baby > teeth will probably need dental work, as mine did, but > I hope to give him the best chance possible at strong > adult teeth. He does seem to have plenty of room in > his mouth, and should be fine if I can help him with > the enamel problem. > > I think if I had been better about eating well during > my teenage and young adult years, my son would not > have had to deal with this at all, but I had an > abyssmal diet during those years, and was probably > very depleted. By the time I got pregnant, I was back > on good food, but in retrospect it wasn't long enough > for my body to recover, and I didn't know about Weston > Price or NT until after my son was born. > > > I will be surprised if she needs any > > orthodontia (or very little because there's still a > > space in between her front teeth > > I think babies should have some space between their > teeth, because adult teeth are bigger and will fill up > those spaces. > > So there's my two cents on the issue, as well. > > Aubin > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Dear Becky, Breastfeeding per se does not influence the shape of the jaw--only diet. If the mother's diet is poor during lactation, or if she does not have adequate milk, breastfeeding can cause dental problems. In fact, there are many reports of rampant decay in children who have been breastfed exclusively--this problem is so widespread that it is mentioned in the latest edition of the La Leche book The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding. In order to have the right development of the jaw and the teeth, the milk the child receives must be rich in fat-soluble activators A and D. This depends on the mother's health or on the health of the cow (or goat) --or the addition of cod liver oil to the milk. (If the mother takes it during lactation, vitamin A and D will be in her milk.) Three of my 4 children got only a short period of mothers milk becuase I had so little, yet they all have straight teeth, due to the high quality of the cows milk they received. In fact, the last child got only about 2 weeks worth of breast milk, yet he has the widest palate of them all. We go into this in depth in the Fall issue of Wise Traditions, and these articles will soon be posted on the website. Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 On length of nursing, Enig and myself both had the same experience where our babies refused to nurse after 8 months. (In my case, this was with my daughter, the first. With the boys, I simply did not have enougth milk.) Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 Dana, Would you describe the difference between your diet during pregnancy and after? The reason I am asking is that I thought that eating grass fed beef and organic produce was along the same lines as NT diet. Thanks Roman --- Dana Milmeister <danamilmeister@...> wrote: > Speculation: One key may have been that I was on a > semi-NT diet during my pregnancy with her (I ate a > lot of grass fed beef and all organic produce), but > shortly after she was born, and before her teeth > came in, I discovered NT and started eating more on > that program. That nutrition most likely enhanced > the breastmilk, which helped with her bone > structure. > > Dana __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 Breastfeeding won't effect the shape of the JAW but suckling (whether it be breast, bottle or pacifier) can effect the palate and cranial bones. I've worked with many babies who were unable to be fed orally (i.e. fed formula with an NG or G-tube). The ones that were not given any attention to suckling continued to have narrow palates and thin heads where as the ones who were prompted to suckle on a pacifier or finger regularly started showing a widening of their palate and skull. Nutrition is obviously a big factor in dental arches and cranial structure, but in the tube fed babies I have worked with (who received indentical post-natal nutrition), the ones who suckled showed definate widening in their arches. While I'm sure there are many variables affecting how long a child choses to breastfeed, I wouldn't rule out the possiblity that some may need extra help releasing cranial bones via suckling and hence instinctively breastfeed longer than others. Many cranial-oriented docs think that even thumb sucking can be an attempt to release cranial restrictions via the palate. Barb Dear Becky, Breastfeeding per se does not influence the shape of the jaw--only diet. If the mother's diet is poor during lactation, or if she does not have adequate milk, breastfeeding can cause dental problems. In fact, there are many reports of rampant decay in children who have been breastfed exclusively--this problem is so widespread that it is mentioned in the latest edition of the La Leche book The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding. In order to have the right development of the jaw and the teeth, the milk the child receives must be rich in fat-soluble activators A and D. This depends on the mother's health or on the health of the cow (or goat) --or the addition of cod liver oil to the milk. (If the mother takes it during lactation, vitamin A and D will be in her milk.) Three of my 4 children got only a short period of mothers milk becuase I had so little, yet they all have straight teeth, due to the high quality of the cows milk they received. In fact, the last child got only about 2 weeks worth of breast milk, yet he has the widest palate of them all. We go into this in depth in the Fall issue of Wise Traditions, and these articles will soon be posted on the website. Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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