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--- Dana Milmeister <danamilmeister@...> wrote:

> Re: breastfeeding - there have been some posts

> recently about breastfeeding, and possibly early

> weaning. I'm still breastfeeding my 2.5 year old.

I'm still breastfeeding my 25-month-old, I absolutely

believe in the benefits of extended breastfeeding in

combination with good nutrition on the part of both

the mother and child. My mother nursed me until I was

3. When my baby teeth came in, they had an enamel

defect where it would crumble away in areas, an

apparently inborn condition (i.e. it was not due to

poor hygiene and diet leading to decay, they were

formed that way). But as my adult teeth came in, they

had good enamel, and there's no crowding. I have all

my wisdom teeth. My teeth aren't perfect, one top

front tooth and one side bottom tooth are slightly

misaligned, and I do have an overbite due to my lower

jaw being somewhat smaller, but there is no

overlapping, twisting or anything like that. I

believe that both the breastfeeding and the healthy,

wholefoods diet with plenty of butter, cod-liver oil,

and few refined carbs, which I was given as a young

child, helped me to overcome the inborn tooth defect,

and to have much better adult teeth than either of my

parents.

My son unfortunately has the same enamel defect I had,

but I believe he will also be able to overcome it with

the help of good food and breastfeeding. His baby

teeth will probably need dental work, as mine did, but

I hope to give him the best chance possible at strong

adult teeth. He does seem to have plenty of room in

his mouth, and should be fine if I can help him with

the enamel problem.

I think if I had been better about eating well during

my teenage and young adult years, my son would not

have had to deal with this at all, but I had an

abyssmal diet during those years, and was probably

very depleted. By the time I got pregnant, I was back

on good food, but in retrospect it wasn't long enough

for my body to recover, and I didn't know about Weston

Price or NT until after my son was born.

> I will be surprised if she needs any

> orthodontia (or very little because there's still a

> space in between her front teeth

I think babies should have some space between their

teeth, because adult teeth are bigger and will fill up

those spaces.

So there's my two cents on the issue, as well.

Aubin

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This topic brings up an interesting point that I would like further

clarification on... I know the health of the mother and her diet play

a crucial role in the developement of the bone structure (and dental

arch) of the child, so it only makes sense to me that an extended

breastfeeding could only be beneficial for achieving this. Weston

Price's book does not get into specifics on the length of

breastfeeding practiced by the cultures he studied, but now I am

curious to know how long they did that. Does anyone know?

Price emphasizes the importance of the diet in the mother before

birth as having the most effect on the child, but it sounds like the

length of lactation is just as important.

Comments?

Becky

>

> > Re: breastfeeding - there have been some posts

> > recently about breastfeeding, and possibly early

> > weaning. I'm still breastfeeding my 2.5 year old.

>

> I'm still breastfeeding my 25-month-old, I absolutely

> believe in the benefits of extended breastfeeding in

> combination with good nutrition on the part of both

> the mother and child. My mother nursed me until I was

> 3. When my baby teeth came in, they had an enamel

> defect where it would crumble away in areas, an

> apparently inborn condition (i.e. it was not due to

> poor hygiene and diet leading to decay, they were

> formed that way). But as my adult teeth came in, they

> had good enamel, and there's no crowding. I have all

> my wisdom teeth. My teeth aren't perfect, one top

> front tooth and one side bottom tooth are slightly

> misaligned, and I do have an overbite due to my lower

> jaw being somewhat smaller, but there is no

> overlapping, twisting or anything like that. I

> believe that both the breastfeeding and the healthy,

> wholefoods diet with plenty of butter, cod-liver oil,

> and few refined carbs, which I was given as a young

> child, helped me to overcome the inborn tooth defect,

> and to have much better adult teeth than either of my

> parents.

>

> My son unfortunately has the same enamel defect I had,

> but I believe he will also be able to overcome it with

> the help of good food and breastfeeding. His baby

> teeth will probably need dental work, as mine did, but

> I hope to give him the best chance possible at strong

> adult teeth. He does seem to have plenty of room in

> his mouth, and should be fine if I can help him with

> the enamel problem.

>

> I think if I had been better about eating well during

> my teenage and young adult years, my son would not

> have had to deal with this at all, but I had an

> abyssmal diet during those years, and was probably

> very depleted. By the time I got pregnant, I was back

> on good food, but in retrospect it wasn't long enough

> for my body to recover, and I didn't know about Weston

> Price or NT until after my son was born.

>

> > I will be surprised if she needs any

> > orthodontia (or very little because there's still a

> > space in between her front teeth

>

> I think babies should have some space between their

> teeth, because adult teeth are bigger and will fill up

> those spaces.

>

> So there's my two cents on the issue, as well.

>

> Aubin

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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La Leche League cites to a study of human " primitive " peoples, and they nurse

anywhere between 3-7 years. (One tribe nursed only 6 months, but that was

forced weaning for religious reasons). Another study LLL cites extrapolated how

long primates nurse their young, and determined that humans should naturally

wean themselves between 3 and 4 years old.

From my experience, of all the people I know who did not force weaning, the

youngest self-weaner was 2.5, and he was very big for his age, which may have

had something to do with it (looked like he was 4).

Re: bone structure - from my experience, I think lactation is more important

than pre-natal diet on bone structure. My daughter's teeth were really, really

bunched close together when they came in. Slowly, with the nursing, I watched

them spread out. Speculation: One key may have been that I was on a semi-NT

diet during my pregnancy with her (I ate a lot of grass fed beef and all organic

produce), but shortly after she was born, and before her teeth came in, I

discovered NT and started eating more on that program. That nutrition most

likely enhanced the breastmilk, which helped with her bone structure.

Dana

----- Original Message -----

From: beckymauldin2001

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 6:20 AM

Subject: Re: breastfeeding, food, and teeth

This topic brings up an interesting point that I would like further

clarification on... I know the health of the mother and her diet play

a crucial role in the developement of the bone structure (and dental

arch) of the child, so it only makes sense to me that an extended

breastfeeding could only be beneficial for achieving this. Weston

Price's book does not get into specifics on the length of

breastfeeding practiced by the cultures he studied, but now I am

curious to know how long they did that. Does anyone know?

Price emphasizes the importance of the diet in the mother before

birth as having the most effect on the child, but it sounds like the

length of lactation is just as important.

Comments?

Becky

>

> > Re: breastfeeding - there have been some posts

> > recently about breastfeeding, and possibly early

> > weaning. I'm still breastfeeding my 2.5 year old.

>

> I'm still breastfeeding my 25-month-old, I absolutely

> believe in the benefits of extended breastfeeding in

> combination with good nutrition on the part of both

> the mother and child. My mother nursed me until I was

> 3. When my baby teeth came in, they had an enamel

> defect where it would crumble away in areas, an

> apparently inborn condition (i.e. it was not due to

> poor hygiene and diet leading to decay, they were

> formed that way). But as my adult teeth came in, they

> had good enamel, and there's no crowding. I have all

> my wisdom teeth. My teeth aren't perfect, one top

> front tooth and one side bottom tooth are slightly

> misaligned, and I do have an overbite due to my lower

> jaw being somewhat smaller, but there is no

> overlapping, twisting or anything like that. I

> believe that both the breastfeeding and the healthy,

> wholefoods diet with plenty of butter, cod-liver oil,

> and few refined carbs, which I was given as a young

> child, helped me to overcome the inborn tooth defect,

> and to have much better adult teeth than either of my

> parents.

>

> My son unfortunately has the same enamel defect I had,

> but I believe he will also be able to overcome it with

> the help of good food and breastfeeding. His baby

> teeth will probably need dental work, as mine did, but

> I hope to give him the best chance possible at strong

> adult teeth. He does seem to have plenty of room in

> his mouth, and should be fine if I can help him with

> the enamel problem.

>

> I think if I had been better about eating well during

> my teenage and young adult years, my son would not

> have had to deal with this at all, but I had an

> abyssmal diet during those years, and was probably

> very depleted. By the time I got pregnant, I was back

> on good food, but in retrospect it wasn't long enough

> for my body to recover, and I didn't know about Weston

> Price or NT until after my son was born.

>

> > I will be surprised if she needs any

> > orthodontia (or very little because there's still a

> > space in between her front teeth

>

> I think babies should have some space between their

> teeth, because adult teeth are bigger and will fill up

> those spaces.

>

> So there's my two cents on the issue, as well.

>

> Aubin

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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There is also the fact that sucking helps expand the palate. The skull is easy

to move up until around the age of 4 so sucking for a longer time than what is

typical for babies is beneficial to the palate and whole cranial structure.

Maybe children need that continued pressure on the palate to help expand the

cranium (to counter the compression that occures in childbirth) and help make

room for teeth.

Barb

La Leche League cites to a study of human " primitive " peoples, and they nurse

anywhere between 3-7 years. (One tribe nursed only 6 months, but that was

forced weaning for religious reasons). Another study LLL cites extrapolated how

long primates nurse their young, and determined that humans should naturally

wean themselves between 3 and 4 years old.

From my experience, of all the people I know who did not force weaning, the

youngest self-weaner was 2.5, and he was very big for his age, which may have

had something to do with it (looked like he was 4).

Re: bone structure - from my experience, I think lactation is more important

than pre-natal diet on bone structure. My daughter's teeth were really, really

bunched close together when they came in. Slowly, with the nursing, I watched

them spread out. Speculation: One key may have been that I was on a semi-NT

diet during my pregnancy with her (I ate a lot of grass fed beef and all organic

produce), but shortly after she was born, and before her teeth came in, I

discovered NT and started eating more on that program. That nutrition most

likely enhanced the breastmilk, which helped with her bone structure.

Dana

----- Original Message -----

From: beckymauldin2001

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 6:20 AM

Subject: Re: breastfeeding, food, and teeth

This topic brings up an interesting point that I would like further

clarification on... I know the health of the mother and her diet play

a crucial role in the developement of the bone structure (and dental

arch) of the child, so it only makes sense to me that an extended

breastfeeding could only be beneficial for achieving this. Weston

Price's book does not get into specifics on the length of

breastfeeding practiced by the cultures he studied, but now I am

curious to know how long they did that. Does anyone know?

Price emphasizes the importance of the diet in the mother before

birth as having the most effect on the child, but it sounds like the

length of lactation is just as important.

Comments?

Becky

>

> > Re: breastfeeding - there have been some posts

> > recently about breastfeeding, and possibly early

> > weaning. I'm still breastfeeding my 2.5 year old.

>

> I'm still breastfeeding my 25-month-old, I absolutely

> believe in the benefits of extended breastfeeding in

> combination with good nutrition on the part of both

> the mother and child. My mother nursed me until I was

> 3. When my baby teeth came in, they had an enamel

> defect where it would crumble away in areas, an

> apparently inborn condition (i.e. it was not due to

> poor hygiene and diet leading to decay, they were

> formed that way). But as my adult teeth came in, they

> had good enamel, and there's no crowding. I have all

> my wisdom teeth. My teeth aren't perfect, one top

> front tooth and one side bottom tooth are slightly

> misaligned, and I do have an overbite due to my lower

> jaw being somewhat smaller, but there is no

> overlapping, twisting or anything like that. I

> believe that both the breastfeeding and the healthy,

> wholefoods diet with plenty of butter, cod-liver oil,

> and few refined carbs, which I was given as a young

> child, helped me to overcome the inborn tooth defect,

> and to have much better adult teeth than either of my

> parents.

>

> My son unfortunately has the same enamel defect I had,

> but I believe he will also be able to overcome it with

> the help of good food and breastfeeding. His baby

> teeth will probably need dental work, as mine did, but

> I hope to give him the best chance possible at strong

> adult teeth. He does seem to have plenty of room in

> his mouth, and should be fine if I can help him with

> the enamel problem.

>

> I think if I had been better about eating well during

> my teenage and young adult years, my son would not

> have had to deal with this at all, but I had an

> abyssmal diet during those years, and was probably

> very depleted. By the time I got pregnant, I was back

> on good food, but in retrospect it wasn't long enough

> for my body to recover, and I didn't know about Weston

> Price or NT until after my son was born.

>

> > I will be surprised if she needs any

> > orthodontia (or very little because there's still a

> > space in between her front teeth

>

> I think babies should have some space between their

> teeth, because adult teeth are bigger and will fill up

> those spaces.

>

> So there's my two cents on the issue, as well.

>

> Aubin

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Dear Becky,

Breastfeeding per se does not influence the shape of the jaw--only diet. If

the mother's diet is poor during lactation, or if she does not have adequate

milk, breastfeeding can cause dental problems. In fact, there are many

reports of rampant decay in children who have been breastfed

exclusively--this problem is so widespread that it is mentioned in the latest

edition of the La Leche book The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding.

In order to have the right development of the jaw and the teeth, the milk the

child receives must be rich in fat-soluble activators A and D. This depends

on the mother's health or on the health of the cow (or goat) --or the

addition of cod liver oil to the milk. (If the mother takes it during

lactation, vitamin A and D will be in her milk.) Three of my 4 children got

only a short period of mothers milk becuase I had so little, yet they all

have straight teeth, due to the high quality of the cows milk they received.

In fact, the last child got only about 2 weeks worth of breast milk, yet he

has the widest palate of them all.

We go into this in depth in the Fall issue of Wise Traditions, and these

articles will soon be posted on the website. Sally

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On length of nursing, Enig and myself both had the same experience where

our babies refused to nurse after 8 months. (In my case, this was with my

daughter, the first. With the boys, I simply did not have enougth milk.)

Sally

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Dana,

Would you describe the difference between your diet

during pregnancy and after? The reason I am asking is

that I thought that eating grass fed beef and organic

produce was along the same lines as NT diet.

Thanks

Roman

--- Dana Milmeister <danamilmeister@...> wrote:

> Speculation: One key may have been that I was on a

> semi-NT diet during my pregnancy with her (I ate a

> lot of grass fed beef and all organic produce), but

> shortly after she was born, and before her teeth

> came in, I discovered NT and started eating more on

> that program. That nutrition most likely enhanced

> the breastmilk, which helped with her bone

> structure.

>

> Dana

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Breastfeeding won't effect the shape of the JAW but suckling (whether it be

breast, bottle or pacifier) can effect the palate and cranial bones. I've worked

with many babies who were unable to be fed orally (i.e. fed formula with an NG

or G-tube). The ones that were not given any attention to suckling continued to

have narrow palates and thin heads where as the ones who were prompted to suckle

on a pacifier or finger regularly started showing a widening of their palate and

skull. Nutrition is obviously a big factor in dental arches and cranial

structure, but in the tube fed babies I have worked with (who received

indentical post-natal nutrition), the ones who suckled showed definate widening

in their arches. While I'm sure there are many variables affecting how long a

child choses to breastfeed, I wouldn't rule out the possiblity that some may

need extra help releasing cranial bones via suckling and hence instinctively

breastfeed longer than others. Many cranial-oriented docs think that even thumb

sucking can be an attempt to release cranial restrictions via the palate.

Barb

Dear Becky,

Breastfeeding per se does not influence the shape of the jaw--only diet. If

the mother's diet is poor during lactation, or if she does not have adequate

milk, breastfeeding can cause dental problems. In fact, there are many

reports of rampant decay in children who have been breastfed

exclusively--this problem is so widespread that it is mentioned in the latest

edition of the La Leche book The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding.

In order to have the right development of the jaw and the teeth, the milk the

child receives must be rich in fat-soluble activators A and D. This depends

on the mother's health or on the health of the cow (or goat) --or the

addition of cod liver oil to the milk. (If the mother takes it during

lactation, vitamin A and D will be in her milk.) Three of my 4 children got

only a short period of mothers milk becuase I had so little, yet they all

have straight teeth, due to the high quality of the cows milk they received.

In fact, the last child got only about 2 weeks worth of breast milk, yet he

has the widest palate of them all.

We go into this in depth in the Fall issue of Wise Traditions, and these

articles will soon be posted on the website. Sally

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