Re: OT: - Lyme Test & Questions - NEED ADVICE .....!!!

[Guest guest]

Have you / your son tried Flagyl or Vancomycin. ?

What you are seeing does not have to have any connection with Lyme ,

it might be effects on other bacteria / gut bugs, notably Clostridia.

Geir Flatabø

2008/8/2, pani pani :

Hi,

Its Goran from Macedonia writting....

I really need your advice...... ....

This is the story....

----- My son get ill 15 days ago, compost in his throath - sore throath, and get feve, high tmeperature. ..

We give supps for fever but they dont help...

We went to Dr and give us antibiotics, OSPEN (penicilin) and after 1 day my son get like herpes on his tounge and Dr change the antibiotics. .., she start Claritomicin. ... and start injections Gentamicin or Garamicin for 3 days....

After the 1st shot of injection my son get better and we continue with this mix, oral with antibiotics for the next 7 days....

His fewer get better, sore throat get better and everything finished just fine....

What was very strange to me is that using these antibiotics my son get better, BUT NOT only with his illnes,..... his BEHAVIOR improve very much too... He stop to mooo, to flap, very present, even start and want to talk.....

----- At same time I was reading on mb12 valtrex group the dialog named " Rapamycin Reverse Autism's Effects/Lyme Infection " , and I was very interesting in all your replies and dialog about..... all concernin the Lyme desease and Micoplasma and autism...... ......

----- and at same time I speak on phone with friends from NZealand who have a child with autism and test positive for Lyme and treat him with antibiotics and see great improvement. They participate at the Lyme-Autism Connections Conference, organised by L.I.A. Foundation, performed 26-29 June 2008 in California.. .. This is the link:

http://www.lymeindu cedautism. com/summer2008ca conference. html

Where Drs discus about Lyme, Micoplasma etc etc in connection with autism, treatmans etc etc...

The last day take a part Dr Dietrich Klinghardt.. ...

It doesnt metter about the conference or any... what I try to say that my son get improved from his last antibiotics treatmant..

" He ussually regressed using antibiotics and I was always worried to give him any " !!!!!

Except this time, he get progress, and after a week of stoping the oral antibiotics and injections, his old behavior back again, flaping, moo, walking on toes, hand shake in front of his mouth etc etc.....

All these makes me to test my son for Lyme, Micoplasma, Chlamydia and other viruses...

This is 1test who offer these testings.... .

Im not sure how much I can trust our laboratory but its all I can do here...

Dr say that this machine and test ecquipment is from France and I need to trust it...

I receive my son test results today, and it say:

- vidas Lyme IgG and IgM = 0.67 referent number - value > 1.0

- vidas Lyme IgM = negative

- Legionella pneumophila serogri = negative

- Mysoplasma pneumoniae = negative

- Adenovirus = negative

- Respiratory Syncytial Virus = Negative

- Influenzae A = Negative

- Influenzae B = Negative

- Parainfluenzae serotypes 1,2,3 = Negative

All is negative eccept the 1st one, Lyme IgG and IgM = 0.67 !!!

Dr say that is NORMAL !!!

I ask, all others are NEGATIVE and why the 1st one is not NEGATIVE too, but say 0.67???

She reply that this machine give the right number-value, its very correct she say..

I say, so there is LYME??? She say its normal value... 0.67 is normal, over 0.75 is suspisious and over 1.0 we can talk about Lyme......

I need your advice...

When you test is USA or Europe for Lyme, what your test show???

It show NEGATIVE if there is NO Lyme??

It show some amount of Lyme, but is NORMAL ???

Is it normal to have any value of Lyme, as my son 0.67, and to be OK-NORMAL ????

or When you dont have any Lyme the test need to be negative and when you tested positive for Lyme test show any value, even very smal???

What should I do??

Did my son have Lyme????

Sorry for long letter, but reg the place Im writting from, I need to explain the whole situation...

Wait for your reply...

My best regards

Goran, Macedonia

[Guest guest]

Gentamicin is a particularly powerful anti-biotic, often given to

people undergoing serious surgery to prevent infections. It has broad

spectrum antimicrobial capabiilties. It may be removing nasty gut

bugs like clostridia whihc the more conventional antibiotics

(clarithromycin, amoxilan, etc) can't kill.

>

> Have you / your son tried Flagyl or Vancomycin. ?

>

> What you are seeing does not have to have any connection with Lyme ,

> it might be effects on other bacteria / gut bugs, notably

Clostridia.

>

> Geir Flatabø

>

>

> 2008/8/2, pani pani :

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> >

> >

> > Its Goran from Macedonia writting....

> >

> >

> >

> > I really need your advice...... ....

> >

> >

> >

> > This is the story....

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- My son get ill 15 days ago, compost in his throath - sore

throath,

> > and get feve, high tmeperature. ..

> >

> > We give supps for fever but they dont help...

> >

> > We went to Dr and give us antibiotics, OSPEN (penicilin) and

after 1 day my

> > son get like herpes on his tounge and Dr change the

antibiotics. .., she

> > start Claritomicin. ... and start injections Gentamicin or

Garamicin for 3

> > days....

> >

> > After the 1st shot of injection my son get better and we continue

with this

> > mix, oral with antibiotics for the next 7 days....

> >

> > His fewer get better, sore throat get better and everything

finished just

> > fine....

> >

> > What was very strange to me is that using these antibiotics my

son get

> > better, *BUT NOT only with his illnes,..... his BEHAVIOR improve

very much

> > too... He stop to mooo, to flap, very present, even start and

want to

> > talk.....*

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- At same time I was reading on mb12 valtrex group the dialog

named " *Rapamycin

> > Reverse Autism's Effects/Lyme Infection* " , and I was very

interesting in

> > all your replies and dialog about..... all concernin the Lyme

desease and

> > Micoplasma and autism...... ......

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- and at same time I speak on phone with friends from

NZealand who

> > have a child with autism and test positive for Lyme and treat him

with

> > antibiotics and see great improvement. They participate at the

Lyme-Autism

> > Connections Conference, organised by L.I.A. Foundation, performed

26-29 June

> > 2008 in California.. .. This is the link:

> >

> > http://www.lymeindu cedautism. com/summer2008ca conference.

html<http://www.lymeinducedautism.com/summer2008caconference.html>

> >

> > Where Drs discus about Lyme, Micoplasma etc etc in connection

with autism,

> > treatmans etc etc...

> >

> > The last day take a part Dr Dietrich Klinghardt.. ...

> >

> >

> >

> > It doesnt metter about the conference or any... what I try to say

that my

> > son get improved from his last antibiotics treatmant..

> >

> > " He ussually regressed using antibiotics and I was always worried

to give

> > him any " !!!!!

> >

> > Except this time, he get progress, and after a week of stoping

the oral

> > antibiotics and injections, his old behavior back again, flaping,

moo,

> > walking on toes, hand shake in front of his mouth etc etc.....

> >

> >

> >

> > All these makes me to test my son for Lyme, Micoplasma, Chlamydia

and other

> > viruses...

> >

> > This is 1test who offer these testings.... .

> >

> >

> >

> > Im not sure how much I can trust our laboratory but its all I can

do

> > here...

> >

> > Dr say that this machine and test ecquipment is from France and I

need to

> > trust it...

> >

> >

> >

> > I receive my son test results today, and it say:

> >

> >

> >

> > - *vidas Lyme IgG and IgM = 0.67 referent number - value >

1.0*

> >

> > - vidas Lyme IgM = negative

> >

> > - Legionella pneumophila serogri = negative

> >

> > - Mysoplasma pneumoniae = negative

> >

> > - Adenovirus = negative

> >

> > - Respiratory Syncytial Virus = Negative

> >

> > - Influenzae A = Negative

> >

> > - Influenzae B = Negative

> >

> > - Parainfluenzae serotypes 1,2,3 = Negative

> >

> >

> >

> > All is negative eccept the 1st one, Lyme IgG and IgM = 0.67 !!!

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr say that is NORMAL !!!

> >

> > I ask, all others are NEGATIVE and why the 1st one is not

NEGATIVE too, but

> > say 0.67???

> >

> > She reply that this machine give the right number-value, its very

correct

> > she say..

> >

> > I say, so there is LYME??? She say its normal value... 0.67 is

normal, over

> > 0.75 is suspisious and over 1.0 we can talk about Lyme......

> >

> >

> >

> > I need your advice...

> >

> > When you test is USA or Europe for Lyme, what your test show???

> >

> > It show NEGATIVE if there is NO Lyme??

> >

> > It show some amount of Lyme, but is NORMAL ???

> >

> > Is it normal to have any value of Lyme, as my son 0.67, and to be

OK-NORMAL

> > ????

> >

> >

> >

> > or When you dont have any Lyme the test need to be negative and

when you

> > tested positive for Lyme test show any value, even very smal???

> >

> >

> >

> > What should I do??

> >

> > Did my son have Lyme????

> >

> >

> >

> > Sorry for long letter, but reg the place Im writting from, I need

to

> > explain the whole situation...

> >

> > Wait for your reply...

> >

> >

> >

> > My best regards

> >

> > Goran, Macedonia

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dr Flatabo,

Thaniks for your reply...

No, I have never use Flagyl or Vancomicin...

We dont have these kind of antibiotics..

Maybe we have but not with this name...

I use to read that people use these 2 antibiotics...

Maybe the usage of antibiotics kill the gut bacteria, or maybe antibiotics kill the germs and brain get recovered it self.

We use to see progres form his fever before, when he get fewer he necome much better in behavior and general..

BUT, we ussualy see regression using the antibiotics before, very foggy eye, not interested, regressed, hiper etc...

About the Lyme test....

According to the test result I send you in this email, can you please tell me did my son have Lyme or not...

Is this 0.67 positive no metter how LOW is it, or its normal value seen in every child...

Thanks in advance

Goran, Macedonia

Re: OT: - Lyme Test & Questions - NEED ADVICE .....!!!

Have you / your son tried Flagyl or Vancomycin. ?

What you are seeing does not have to have any connection with Lyme ,

it might be effects on other bacteria / gut bugs, notably Clostridia.

Geir Flatabø

2008/8/2, pani pani <pantagagayahoo (DOT) com>:

Hi,

Its Goran from Macedonia writting....

I really need your advice...... ....

This is the story....

----- My son get ill 15 days ago, compost in his throath - sore throath, and get feve, high tmeperature. ..

We give supps for fever but they dont help...

We went to Dr and give us antibiotics, OSPEN (penicilin) and after 1 day my son get like herpes on his tounge and Dr change the antibiotics. .., she start Claritomicin. ... and start injections Gentamicin or Garamicin for 3 days....

After the 1st shot of injection my son get better and we continue with this mix, oral with antibiotics for the next 7 days....

His fewer get better, sore throat get better and everything finished just fine....

What was very strange to me is that using these antibiotics my son get better, BUT NOT only with his illnes,..... his BEHAVIOR improve very much too... He stop to mooo, to flap, very present, even start and want to talk.....

----- At same time I was reading on mb12 valtrex group the dialog named "Rapamycin Reverse Autism's Effects/Lyme Infection", and I was very interesting in all your replies and dialog about..... all concernin the Lyme desease and Micoplasma and autism...... ......

----- and at same time I speak on phone with friends from NZealand who have a child with autism and test positive for Lyme and treat him with antibiotics and see great improvement. They participate at the Lyme-Autism Connections Conference, organised by L.I.A. Foundation, performed 26-29 June 2008 in California.. .. This is the link:

http://www.lymeindu cedautism. com/summer2008ca conference. html

Where Drs discus about Lyme, Micoplasma etc etc in connection with autism, treatmans etc etc...

The last day take a part Dr Dietrich Klinghardt.. ...

It doesnt metter about the conference or any... what I try to say that my son get improved from his last antibiotics treatmant..

"He ussually regressed using antibiotics and I was always worried to give him any"!!!!!

Except this time, he get progress, and after a week of stoping the oral antibiotics and injections, his old behavior back again, flaping, moo, walking on toes, hand shake in front of his mouth etc etc.....

All these makes me to test my son for Lyme, Micoplasma, Chlamydia and other viruses...

This is 1test who offer these testings.... .

Im not sure how much I can trust our laboratory but its all I can do here...

Dr say that this machine and test ecquipment is from France and I need to trust it...

I receive my son test results today, and it say:

- vidas Lyme IgG and IgM = 0.67 referent number - value > 1.0

- vidas Lyme IgM = negative

- Legionella pneumophila serogri = negative

- Mysoplasma pneumoniae = negative

- Adenovirus = negative

- Respiratory Syncytial Virus = Negative

- Influenzae A = Negative

- Influenzae B = Negative

- Parainfluenzae serotypes 1,2,3 = Negative

All is negative eccept the 1st one, Lyme IgG and IgM = 0.67 !!!

Dr say that is NORMAL !!!

I ask, all others are NEGATIVE and why the 1st one is not NEGATIVE too, but say 0.67???

She reply that this machine give the right number-value, its very correct she say..

I say, so there is LYME??? She say its normal value... 0.67 is normal, over 0.75 is suspisious and over 1.0 we can talk about Lyme......

I need your advice...

When you test is USA or Europe for Lyme, what your test show???

It show NEGATIVE if there is NO Lyme??

It show some amount of Lyme, but is NORMAL ???

Is it normal to have any value of Lyme, as my son 0.67, and to be OK-NORMAL ????

or When you dont have any Lyme the test need to be negative and when you tested positive for Lyme test show any value, even very smal???

What should I do??

Did my son have Lyme????

Sorry for long letter, but reg the place Im writting from, I need to explain the whole situation...

Wait for your reply...

My best regards

Goran, Macedonia