PCO Technology [was] RGF's Guardian Air HVAC Duct Indoor Air Sanitation Question

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Wei,

On the subject of having sterilized air in the residence might the

justification simply be to reduce the risk of one family member [a

school child] infecting the entire family with a bug picked up in

school? But more than that if the sterilized air has the power to

continually reduce the household population of microbials at a

minimal cost might that be a further justification?

I'm reminded of the recent account of the SARS situation in China and

Hong Kong as presented in Karl Taro Greenfeld's book " CHINA SYNDROME -

The true story of the 21st century's First Great Epidemic " . Here a

number of accounts of the spread of the virus could obviously have

been interrupted had there been more use of indoor air purification

technology such as the Chinese government had already installed

throughout the Shanghai subway system and later in government

buildings. The story of Dr. Liu Jianlun, the treating physician at

the SARS hospital in Guangzhou, who exhausted himself and fled to

Hong Kong for a well deserved four days of R & R sucumbed to SARS and

puked in the hallway of the nonth floor of the Hotel Metropole while

three airline stewardesses were passing along with a airline

passenger about to leave for Toronto. While Dr. Liu the next day

realized his condition was serious and admitted himself into a

hospital where he died four days later it was the passenger departing

for Toronto who obviously carried the disease there.

I thank Ron for his recent presentation on the RGF technology.

Yes that technology developed from that used by NASA is thought by

many as an answer to controlling disease microbes.

Recent studies at Kansas State university show a 98%+ reduction of

surface bacteria and viruses within 24 hours in a room being treated.

Now wouldn't that translate to a 99.99999% reduction in 48 hours?

Gibala

> Steve and Group,

>

> RGF Environmental based in Beach/West Palm Beach has been

the Maker of Ozone water purification systems for years, additionally

they make an ozone generator for the fire restoration Industry. Put

this in the context of their wording and draw your own conclusions.

>

> Anybody on the list know what Shaklee sold as a purifier or

EccoQuest after 2004?

>

> From their website www.rgf.com

> 1986 RGF develops Advanced Oxidation Technologies by combining

ozone gas with ultraviolet light and hydrogen

> peroxides.

> 1988 RGF converts their Advanced Oxidation Technology to Air

Treatment System for treatment of mold, bacteria

> and odors.

> 2000 RGF signs a contract with Shaklee Corporation to develop a

small, in-room air purification device and longterm

> engineering services. After one year of testing and validation,

over $50 million retail were sold the first year.

> 2003 RGF Advanced Oxidation technology was tested and chosen by

the Chinese Government to help contain the

> SARS virus. Excellent television and press coverage.

> 2004 RGF signs a contract to develop14 products for EcoQuest, who

has sold over 1,000,000 air purifiers since 1986.

> EcoQuest changed their entire product line over to RGF's RCI, an

advanced oxidation technology designed for

> small residential applications.

>

>

> Ron

> www.themoldmanual.com

> B. , PE

> WE HAVE MOVED! - New Address Below

> Engineering Corporation

> 860 Jupiter Park Drive, Suite 1

> Jupiter, Florida 33458

> Work-

> Fax-

> Cell

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> From: iequality

[mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of AirwaysEnv@...

> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:51 AM

> To: iequality

> Subject: Re: RGF's Guardian Air HVAC Duct Indoor Air

Sanitation Question

>

>

>

> In a message dated 2/14/2008 10:04:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

healthy4all@... writes:

> This technology createsan advanced oxidation reaction that

eliminates odors, mold, viruses, bacteria and other pathogens without

causing any harm to the occupants or the environment. Micro-organisms

can be reduced by over 97%.

>

> OK, so how does it know which chemicals are odors to be destroyed

and which chemicals are part of your house and your belongings? How

does it know which are bacterial cells to destroy and which are human

cells to " leave alone " ? Why are you trying to kill mold spores at

all? How can it destroy odor molecules without creating oxidation

products that can be more reactive or harmful? What happens to the

dead bacterial cells and mold spores that contain allergens and LPS

endotoxins?

>

> With all the wizbang, high-tech lights and shiny metal parts and

friendly, non-ozone oxidizers, I'd bet that you could sell people

these devices, even at the price of $1,400. I just can't think of

any reason that I would ever want one.

>

> Steve Temes

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Wei Tang, Ph.D.

> Lab Director

> QLab

> 5 Drive

> Cherry Hill, NJ 08003

>

> Fax

> www.QLabUSA.com

>

[Guest guest]

:

I am a builder who has recently been inundated with photocatalytic

sales " professionals " who have been touting all sorts of medical

sounding voodoo regarding this technology. ALL seem to point to the

same Kansas State graphs as evidence that the technology will " save

your life " as one housewife turned photocatalytic expert recently

told me.

While the do-it-yourself testing method you mentioned sounds

reasonable, so does building a house with lumber and nails. However,

there is a world of difference between reasonable to actual.

Is the device you speak of an approved medical device? If so, where

are the tests? If it is not an approved medical device, all the

claims I have been hearing about are nothing short of sales hype and

may cross the line into false advertising.

Since you are trained on the technology, please enlighten me.

Thanks!

> > Steve and Group,

> >

> > RGF Environmental based in Beach/West Palm Beach has

been

> the Maker of Ozone water purification systems for years,

additionally

> they make an ozone generator for the fire restoration Industry. Put

> this in the context of their wording and draw your own conclusions.

> >

> > Anybody on the list know what Shaklee sold as a purifier or

> EccoQuest after 2004?

> >

> > From their website www.rgf.com

> > 1986 RGF develops Advanced Oxidation Technologies by

combining

> ozone gas with ultraviolet light and hydrogen

> > peroxides.

> > 1988 RGF converts their Advanced Oxidation Technology to Air

> Treatment System for treatment of mold, bacteria

> > and odors.

> > 2000 RGF signs a contract with Shaklee Corporation to develop a

> small, in-room air purification device and longterm

> > engineering services. After one year of testing and validation,

> over $50 million retail were sold the first year.

> > 2003 RGF Advanced Oxidation technology was tested and chosen by

> the Chinese Government to help contain the

> > SARS virus. Excellent television and press coverage.

> > 2004 RGF signs a contract to develop14 products for EcoQuest,

who

> has sold over 1,000,000 air purifiers since 1986.

> > EcoQuest changed their entire product line over to RGF's RCI,

an

> advanced oxidation technology designed for

> > small residential applications.

> >

> >

> > Ron

> > www.themoldmanual.com

> > B. , PE

> > WE HAVE MOVED! - New Address Below

> > Engineering Corporation

> > 860 Jupiter Park Drive, Suite 1

> > Jupiter, Florida 33458

> > Work-

> > Fax-

> > Cell

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > From: iequality

> [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of AirwaysEnv@

> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:51 AM

> > To: iequality

> > Subject: Re: RGF's Guardian Air HVAC Duct Indoor Air

> Sanitation Question

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 2/14/2008 10:04:21 AM Eastern Standard

Time,

> healthy4all@ writes:

> > This technology createsan advanced oxidation reaction that

> eliminates odors, mold, viruses, bacteria and other pathogens

without

> causing any harm to the occupants or the environment. Micro-

organisms

> can be reduced by over 97%.

> >

> > OK, so how does it know which chemicals are odors to be destroyed

> and which chemicals are part of your house and your belongings?

How

> does it know which are bacterial cells to destroy and which are

human

> cells to " leave alone " ? Why are you trying to kill mold spores at

> all? How can it destroy odor molecules without creating oxidation

> products that can be more reactive or harmful? What happens to the

> dead bacterial cells and mold spores that contain allergens and LPS

> endotoxins?

> >

> > With all the wizbang, high-tech lights and shiny metal parts and

> friendly, non-ozone oxidizers, I'd bet that you could sell people

> these devices, even at the price of $1,400. I just can't think of

> any reason that I would ever want one.

> >

> > Steve Temes

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Wei Tang, Ph.D.

> > Lab Director

> > QLab

> > 5 Drive

> > Cherry Hill, NJ 08003

> >

> > Fax

> > www.QLabUSA.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, You avoided the question that "How can human cells be immune to oxidation that kills more than 98% of microbes?" Antibiotic kills organisms selectively. Oxidation does not. Do you inform your clients that's the risk to trade the benefit that family members might spead cold to each other in a lower possibility? Wei Tang QLabkengibs wrote: Dear Dr. Wei,On the subject of having sterilized

air in the residence might the justification simply be to reduce the risk of one family member [a school child] infecting the entire family with a bug picked up in school? But more than that if the sterilized air has the power to continually reduce the household population of microbials at a minimal cost might that be a further justification?I'm reminded of the recent account of the SARS situation in China and Hong Kong as presented in Karl Taro Greenfeld's book "CHINA SYNDROME -The true story of the 21st century's First Great Epidemic". Here a number of accounts of the spread of the virus could obviously have been interrupted had there been more use of indoor air purification technology such as the Chinese government had already installed throughout the Shanghai subway system and later in government buildings. The story of Dr. Liu Jianlun, the treating physician at the SARS hospital in Guangzhou, who exhausted

himself and fled to Hong Kong for a well deserved four days of R & R sucumbed to SARS and puked in the hallway of the nonth floor of the Hotel Metropole while three airline stewardesses were passing along with a airline passenger about to leave for Toronto. While Dr. Liu the next day realized his condition was serious and admitted himself into a hospital where he died four days later it was the passenger departing for Toronto who obviously carried the disease there.I thank Ron for his recent presentation on the RGF technology. Yes that technology developed from that used by NASA is thought by many as an answer to controlling disease microbes.Recent studies at Kansas State university show a 98%+ reduction of surface bacteria and viruses within 24 hours in a room being treated.Now wouldn't that translate to a 99.99999% reduction in 48 hours? Gibala> Steve and Group, > > RGF Environmental based in Beach/West Palm Beach has been the Maker of Ozone water purification systems for years, additionally they make an ozone generator for the fire restoration Industry. Put this in the context of their wording

and draw your own conclusions. > > Anybody on the list know what Shaklee sold as a purifier or EccoQuest after 2004?> > From their website www.rgf.com> 1986 RGF develops Advanced Oxidation Technologies by combining ozone gas with ultraviolet light and hydrogen> peroxides.> 1988 RGF converts their Advanced Oxidation Technology to Air Treatment System for treatment of mold, bacteria> and odors.> 2000 RGF signs a contract with Shaklee Corporation to develop a small, in-room air purification device and longterm> engineering services. After one year of testing and validation, over $50 million retail were sold the first year.> 2003 RGF Advanced Oxidation technology was tested and chosen by the Chinese Government to help contain the> SARS virus. Excellent television and press coverage.> 2004 RGF signs a contract to develop14 products for EcoQuest, who has sold

over 1,000,000 air purifiers since 1986.> EcoQuest changed their entire product line over to RGF's RCI, an advanced oxidation technology designed for> small residential applications.> > > Ron > www.themoldmanual.com > B. , PE > WE HAVE MOVED! - New Address Below> Engineering Corporation > 860 Jupiter Park Drive, Suite 1 > Jupiter, Florida 33458 > Work- > Fax- > Cell > > > > > ---------------------------------> From: iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of AirwaysEnv@...> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:51 AM> To: iequality > Subject: Re: RGF's Guardian Air HVAC Duct Indoor Air Sanitation Question> > > > > This technology createsan advanced oxidation reaction that eliminates odors, mold, viruses, bacteria and other pathogens without causing any harm to the occupants or the environment. Micro-organisms can be reduced by over 97%.> > OK, so how does it know which chemicals are odors to be destroyed and which chemicals are part of your house and your belongings? How does it know which are bacterial cells to destroy and which are human cells to "leave alone"? Why are you trying to kill mold spores at all? How can it destroy odor molecules without creating oxidation products that can be more reactive or harmful? What happens

to the dead bacterial cells and mold spores that contain allergens and LPS endotoxins?> > With all the wizbang, high-tech lights and shiny metal parts and friendly, non-ozone oxidizers, I'd bet that you could sell people these devices, even at the price of $1,400. I just can't think of any reason that I would ever want one.> > Steve Temes > > > > > > > > Wei Tang, Ph.D.> Lab Director> QLab> 5 Drive> Cherry Hill, NJ 08003> > Fax> www.QLabUSA.com> Wei Tang, Ph.D. Lab Director QLab5 DriveCherry Hill, NJ 08003 Faxwww.QLabUSA.com