RE: RGF's Guardian Air HVAC Duct Indoor Air Sanitation Question

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SARS and biological weapons will probably justify the human cell damge caused by releasing oxidzers into the air. It's better than being dead, right? Of course, the effectiveness need to be evaluated. Other than that, I don't see any reason that you need to breath sterile air in residential building. Hospital, maybe, I don't know how the risk and benefit will weigh out. Most of the infections are probably caused by direct contact not airborne. Wei Tang QLab Ron wrote: Steve and Group, RGF Environmental based in Beach/West Palm Beach has been the Maker of Ozone water purification systems for years, additionally they make an ozone generator for the fire restoration Industry. Put this in the context of their wording and draw your own conclusions. Anybody on the list know what Shaklee sold as a purifier or EccoQuest after 2004? From their website www.rgf.com 1986 RGF develops Advanced Oxidation Technologies by combining ozone gas with ultraviolet light and hydrogen peroxides. 1988 RGF converts their Advanced Oxidation Technology to Air Treatment System for treatment of mold, bacteria and odors. 2000 RGF signs a contract with Shaklee Corporation to develop a small, in-room air purification device and longterm engineering services. After one year of testing and validation, over $50

million retail were sold the first year. 2003 RGF Advanced Oxidation technology was tested and chosen by the Chinese Government to help contain the SARS virus. Excellent television and press coverage. 2004 RGF signs a contract to develop14 products for EcoQuest, who has sold over 1,000,000 air purifiers since 1986. EcoQuest changed their entire product line over to RGF's RCI, an advanced oxidation technology designed for small residential applications. Ron www.themoldmanual.com B. , PE WE HAVE MOVED! - New Address Below Engineering Corporation 860 Jupiter Park Drive, Suite 1 Jupiter, Florida 33458 Work- Fax- Cell From: iequality [mailto:iequality ] On Behalf Of AirwaysEnvcsSent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:51 AMTo: iequality Subject: Re: RGF's Guardian Air HVAC Duct Indoor Air Sanitation Question In a message dated 2/14/2008 10:04:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, healthy4allcomcast (DOT) net writes: This technology createsan advanced oxidation reaction that eliminates odors, mold, viruses, bacteria and other pathogens

without causing any harm to the occupants or the environment. Micro-organisms can be reduced by over 97%.OK, so how does it know which chemicals are odors to be destroyed and which chemicals are part of your house and your belongings? How does it know which are bacterial cells to destroy and which are human cells to "leave alone"? Why are you trying to kill mold spores at all? How can it destroy odor molecules without creating oxidation products that can be more reactive or harmful? What happens to the dead bacterial cells and mold spores that contain allergens and LPS endotoxins?With all the wizbang, high-tech lights and shiny metal parts and friendly, non-ozone oxidizers, I'd bet that you could sell people these devices, even at the price of $1,400. I just can't think of any reason that I would ever want one.Steve Temes Wei Tang, Ph.D. Lab Director QLab5 DriveCherry Hill, NJ 08003 Faxwww.QLabUSA.com

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No the product is not an ion generator as such. The technology is

known as photocatalysis or photocatalytic oxygen [PCO] and a google

search under either key will bring forward bushels of references.

The RGF device is a reactor consisting of a specual UV bulb which

illuminates a target of an appropriate catalyst. The target then

converts water vapor from the air stream into a variety of advanced

oxygen substances the result of which is purified/sterilized air

being delivered down stream. An amount of the purifying

vapors/plasma/gases can linger and permeate the facility. Ozone is

not measurably detected. The surfaces within the room soon become

virtually germ free. Because of legal restrictions [EPA

interpretations] nothing is said about killing germs in the air. It

is permitted to say that microbials are reduced. Thus if one would

take a microbial count before and then after an installation one

would surely find a significant reduction of the microbials.

Any of our traditional skeptics can easily test the validity of the

technology with a series of properly prepared petri dishes. I'm

speaking of the simple before and after test.....

Your question of the process being an ion generator is IMO of

significance. The activity at the site of the catalyst does indeed

create ionized air. How much I don't know.

I have seen a hospital study where filtered air [HEPA filtration]

being fed into an operating room and meeting hospital standards had a

further 80% reduction of fine particulates after air duct devices

using the technology was installed.

I have attended the two day RGF commercial school at their factory in

Palm Beach and have been awarded their certified advanced oxygen

certificate.

I'll be happy to try and answer any question sent to me directly. I

no longer receive daily messages from this list.

I do sell a number of products from the several manufacturers of this

technology

Gibala

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> From: iequality [mailto:iequality ]

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> Behalf Of healthy4all

> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:20 PM

> To: iequality

> Subject: RE: RGF's Guardian Air HVAC Duct Indoor Air

> Sanitation Question

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> HI and all:

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> All I know is what I've read on their website, the testimonials my

HVAC

> friend brought back from his conference and the conversation I had

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> RGF's sales rep on the phone who offered to send me hundreds of

> testimonials but not studies. Interesting on their website:

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> http://www.rgf.com/documents/guardian_qa.pdf

> <http://www.rgf.com/documents/guardian_qa.pdf>

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> 69. QUESTION:

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> RGF has a tremendous amount of studies,

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> lab tests and validations. Can I get copies?

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> That would be impractical due to the sheer volume and the fact

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> that most of the studies and tests were done by third parties or

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> clients who will not permit us to send out their data. We can

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> a summary of validations signed off and notarized by a licensed

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> chemical professional engineer and licensed attorney.

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> We will also show clients or approved representatives copies in

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> our West Palm Beach office.

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> Until I know more and hopefully receive more feedback from our

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> experts I don't plan to take any action; human health is very

important.

> This technology is beyond my knowledge; I educate the lay people on

> having a safer environment, make them aware of some of their

physical

> distresses associated with possibly their environment, nutrition,

> supplements and medical herbs, etc. Recently an associate pastor's

wife

> phone me, was diagnosed with MS; began to ask her quite a few

questions

> and turns out their church is full of visible mold from floor to

> ceiling. She spends much time in the church but never associated

her

> symptoms with the mold.

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> FYI, on their website in the FAQ section they have some interesting

> statements that seem to conflict such as " generally air purifiers

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> designed to remove airborne mold, bacteria and viruses " and then

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> answer to " what substances does PHI kill or reduce " includes all

these.

> I don't think anyone has ever seen an air purifier remove mold from

a

> wall. The sales rep told me it would remove all VOC indoors,

molds,

> bacteria, etc and if someone has a cold or flu, sneezes directly

towards

> me the Guardian Air would " zap " the virus and I wouldn't become ill.

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> http://www.rgf.com/documents/guardian_qa.pdf

> <http://www.rgf.com/documents/guardian_qa.pdf>

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> From: iequality [mailto:iequality ]

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> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 12:18 PM

> To: iequality

> Subject: RE: RGF's Guardian Air HVAC Duct Indoor Air

> Sanitation Question

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> Rosie,

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> I don't know anything about Advanced Oxidation, what is it. What

> exactly is released into the air? Do you know of anything that has

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> published about Advanced Oxidation other that what is said in the

> Guardian Air sales information?

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> From: iequality [mailto:iequality ]

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> Behalf Of healthy4all

> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:51 PM

> To: iequality

> Subject: RGF's Guardian Air HVAC Duct Indoor Air

Sanitation

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> Is anyone familiar with

> http://www.rgf.com/documents/Guardian_web_doc.pdf

> <http://www.rgf.com/documents/Guardian_web_doc.pdf> ?

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> A certified HVAC friend recently attended a conference and heard

raves

> about the Guardian Air from other peers who had installed it in

their

> own homes or from their customers.

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> The company offers a 90-day full refund including removal if not

> satisfied. Retail cost is $1400, 3 year warranty. Maintenance is

> claimed to be changing out the bulb every 3 years for approx. $500-

600.

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> After reading RGF's http://www.rgf.com/documents/guardian_qa.pdf

> <http://www.rgf.com/documents/guardian_qa.pdf> am wondering about

> their claims. " The Guardian Air sends advanced oxidants throughout

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> house, via the duct system, to kill microbials and odors at the

source,

> every time the central air conditioning and heating blower

operates " .

> " Has been approved by USDA FDA-FSIS for food processing. The process

> produces advanced oxidation plasma levels that are virtually

> undetectable at a safe level of less than .02ppm. This process

produces

> no residual chemicals, just friendly oxidizers. "

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> I spoke with one of RGF's representatives today who is willing to

send

> me hundreds of testimonials and I'm invited to their next meeting

in the

> area. My HVAC friend is encouraging me to have one installed in our

home

> for the 90-day free trial period.

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> I'm hoping the HAVC experts on this group would take a few minutes

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> look at the web site and give me their expert opinion.

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