Digest 1C Re: THE RIGHT TO HEALTHY INDOOR AIR

[Guest guest]

Tony,

In response to the picture of a chilly winter day as seen out the window of my office, you wrote, "That ain't winter." It is indeed winter. The facts show that I took that picture and posted it on December 28, 2008. That is a date known worldwide to occur in the season of winter.

What a great metaphor this makes. What I see and what shapes my view when I share what the world looks like from my office is not the same thing you see and shapes your view based on what the world looks like from your office.

It proves the point: Life is simply a matter of perspective. Scientifically speaking, the view from your office will never look the same as the view from mine. That is an undisputable fact (supported by much evidence over these past two years!)

Looking forward in 2009, to trying to decifer why you think what you think based on your views and perspectives as I show why I think what I think based on what is seen from mine.

Happy New Year To All,

Sharon

Vince:1. You Said:Uh, no, the main thrust of "Brazil" was that everything was completelyand incompetently controlled by the government, and that any privateinitiative to better it was labeled as "terrorism";Response:Good man. I call Brazil a cross between Orwell's 1984 and MontyPython's the Meaning of Life (I have several version here).Sharon:2. You said:a. "Based on what scientific studies are you concluding that "Adding oxygen to the mix does nothing to limit or reduce the inhalation of the other crap."? Doesn't adding oxygen change the mix of what people are breathing and thereby reduce the relevant dose of the other "crap"? b. (Not sure "relevant dose" is the correct term, but I think you knowwhat I mean) Why else would they use increased oxygen in hospitals?"Response:a. There is some data on respiration rate changes based on O2 levels (JPhysiol and some older Military data on humans and animals), but I think's point is that unless you remove the other offending agents(particles, vapors, gases) adding O2 is not going to do much. It's likeadding vitamin C to a fat-filled diet.An example would Carbon monoxide that forms carboxyhemoglobin (COhb) at 400times greater affinity than O2 binding. So increasing O2 relativelyslightly compared to CO does not move the transfer of O2 much.Another might be heavy metals in ultrafines whereby the increase in O2 madeincrease circulation and thus increase distribution of these particles.b. O2 is used in hospitals because patients at higher concentrationsthere is a diffusion gradient that increases O2 dissolution into the blood,thus greater O2 available at the same cardiopulmonary rate.This also relates to what barb said: "Given under increased barometricpressure is also designed to deal with specific problems like wound healing,infections" where they use Delta P (pressure) to drive the diffusion insteadof increased Conc.One of the general things that occurs with excess O2 is oxidation(corrosion, free radical production, etc.) that is not necessarily good.And finally, let's presume an asthmatic gets more O2 which is good duringinflammatory reactions because ones needs a certain amount to survive andfunction; but radioactive deposition of particles in lungs was found to beno different for non-asthmatics v asthmatics in actual radio-labeledstudies, so they are still depositing the same particles.3. You said:Winter days like today are among my very favoriteResponse:That ain't winter.Tony...................................................................... "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PEpH2, LLC5250 E US 36, Suite 830Avon, IN 46123www.ph2llc.com off fax cell90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...anyconsultant can give you the other 10%(SM)This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may containlegally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only forthe individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are notthe addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, youare not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and anyattachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and attachments(including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone at. Delivery of this message and any attachments to any personother than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waiveconfidentiality or a privilege. All personal messages express views only ofthe sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be copied ordistributed without this statement. Don't be the last to know - click here for the latest news that will have people talking.

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Sharon,

Very astute and well-stated observations. As always, I look forward to what

2009 will bring to us all in the exchanges between you and Tony. Happy New

Year to you, Tony, and the rest of the gang on iequality!

Chuck Reaney

Alpha Environmental, Inc.

IAQ/IEQ & Environmental Consulting

Media, PA 19063

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Re: Digest 1C Re: THE RIGHT TO HEALTHY INDOOR AIR

> Tony,

>

> In response to the picture of a chilly winter day as seen out the window

> of

> my office, you wrote, " That ain't winter. " It is indeed winter. The

> facts

> show that I took that picture and posted it on December 28, 2008. That

> is a

> date known worldwide to occur in the season of winter.

>

> What a great metaphor this makes. What I see and what shapes my view

> when I

> share what the world looks like from my office is not the same thing you

> see

> and shapes your view based on what the world looks like from your office.

>

> It proves the point: Life is simply a matter of perspective.

> Scientifically

> speaking, the view from your office will never look the same as the view

> from mine. That is an undisputable fact (supported by much evidence over

> these

> past two years!)

>

> Looking forward in 2009, to trying to decifer why you think what you

> think

> based on your views and perspectives as I show why I think what I think

> based

> on what is seen from mine.

>

> Happy New Year To All,

> Sharon

>

>

> In a message dated 12/29/2008 8:10:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> aahavics@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Vince:

>

> 1. You Said:

>

> Uh, no, the main thrust of " Brazil " was that everything was completely

> and incompetently controlled by the government, and that any private

> initiative to better it was labeled as " terrorism " ;

>

> Response:

>

> Good man. I call Brazil a cross between Orwell's 1984 and Monty

> Python's the Meaning of Life (I have several version here).

>

> Sharon:

>

> 2. You said:

>

> a. " Based on what scientific studies are you concluding that

> " Adding oxygen to the mix does nothing to limit or reduce the inhalation

> of

> the other crap. " ?

>

> Doesn't adding oxygen change the mix of what people are breathing and

> thereby reduce the relevant dose of the other " crap " ?

>

> b. (Not sure " relevant dose " is the correct term, but I think you know

> what I mean) Why else would they use increased oxygen in hospitals? "

>

> Response:

>

> a. There is some data on respiration rate changes based on O2 levels (J

> Physiol and some older Military data on humans and animals), but I think

> 's point is that unless you remove the other offending agents

> (particles, vapors, gases) adding O2 is not going to do much. It's like

> adding vitamin C to a fat-filled diet.

>

> An example would Carbon monoxide that forms carboxyhemoglobin (COhb) at

> 400

> times greater affinity than O2 binding. So increasing O2 relatively

> slightly compared to CO does not move the transfer of O2 much.

>

> Another might be heavy metals in ultrafines whereby the increase in O2

> made

> increase circulation and thus increase distribution of these particles.

>

> b. O2 is used in hospitals because patients at higher concentrations

> there is a diffusion gradient that increases O2 dissolution into the

> blood,

> thus greater O2 available at the same cardiopulmonary rate.

>

> This also relates to what barb said: " Given under increased barometric

> pressure is also designed to deal with specific problems like wound

> healing,

> infections " where they use Delta P (pressure) to drive the diffusion

> instead

> of increased Conc.

>

> One of the general things that occurs with excess O2 is oxidation

> (corrosion, free radical production, etc.) that is not necessarily good.

>

> And finally, let's presume an asthmatic gets more O2 which is good during

> inflammatory reactions because ones needs a certain amount to survive and

> function; but radioactive deposition of particles in lungs was found to

> be

> no different for non-asthmatics v asthmatics in actual radio-labeled

> studies, so they are still depositing the same particles.

>

> 3. You said:

>

> Winter days like today are among my very favorite

>

> Response:

>

> That ain't winter.

>

> Tony

>

> ......................................................................

> " Tony " Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE

> pH2, LLC

> 5250 E US 36, Suite 830

> Avon, IN 46123

> www.ph2llc.com

>

> off

> (317) 718-7038 fax

> cell

>

> 90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any

> consultant can give you the other 10%(SM)

>

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[Guest guest]

Not winter here and it is 30 Dec 2008 at 9:35am the temperature is

21degC/70degF and by lunchtime will be 28degC/83degF and it is indeed

SUMMER - While those in the other hemisphere may misguidedly think

that where they are represents the whole world, that wrong and

arrogant thinking is the reason that most of world are so justifiably

wary of the policies of the United States.

>

> Tony,

>

> In response to the picture of a chilly winter day as seen out the

window of

> my office, you wrote, " That ain't winter. " It is indeed winter.

The facts

> show that I took that picture and posted it on December 28, 2008.

That is a

> date known worldwide to occur in the season of winter.

>

> What a great metaphor this makes. What I see and what shapes my

view when I

> share what the world looks like from my office is not the same

thing you see

> and shapes your view based on what the world looks like from your

office.

>

> It proves the point: Life is simply a matter of perspective.

Scientifically

> speaking, the view from your office will never look the same as

the view

> from mine. That is an undisputable fact (supported by much

evidence over these

> past two years!)

>

> Looking forward in 2009, to trying to decifer why you think what

you think

> based on your views and perspectives as I show why I think what I

think based

> on what is seen from mine.

>

> Happy New Year To All,

> Sharon

>

>

> In a message dated 12/29/2008 8:10:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> aahavics@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Vince:

>

> 1. You Said:

>

> Uh, no, the main thrust of " Brazil " was that everything was

completely

> and incompetently controlled by the government, and that any

private

> initiative to better it was labeled as " terrorism " ;

>

> Response:

>

> Good man. I call Brazil a cross between Orwell's 1984 and

Monty

> Python's the Meaning of Life (I have several version here).

>

> Sharon:

>

> 2. You said:

>

> a. " Based on what scientific studies are you concluding that

> " Adding oxygen to the mix does nothing to limit or reduce the

inhalation of

> the other crap. " ?

>

> Doesn't adding oxygen change the mix of what people are breathing

and

> thereby reduce the relevant dose of the other " crap " ?

>

> b. (Not sure " relevant dose " is the correct term, but I think you

know

> what I mean) Why else would they use increased oxygen in

hospitals? "

>

> Response:

>

> a. There is some data on respiration rate changes based on O2

levels (J

> Physiol and some older Military data on humans and animals), but I

think

> 's point is that unless you remove the other offending

agents

> (particles, vapors, gases) adding O2 is not going to do much. It's

like

> adding vitamin C to a fat-filled diet.

>

> An example would Carbon monoxide that forms carboxyhemoglobin

(COhb) at 400

> times greater affinity than O2 binding. So increasing O2 relatively

> slightly compared to CO does not move the transfer of O2 much.

>

> Another might be heavy metals in ultrafines whereby the increase

in O2 made

> increase circulation and thus increase distribution of these

particles.

>

> b. O2 is used in hospitals because patients at higher

concentrations

> there is a diffusion gradient that increases O2 dissolution into

the blood,

> thus greater O2 available at the same cardiopulmonary rate.

>

> This also relates to what barb said: " Given under increased

barometric

> pressure is also designed to deal with specific problems like

wound healing,

> infections " where they use Delta P (pressure) to drive the

diffusion instead

> of increased Conc.

>

> One of the general things that occurs with excess O2 is oxidation

> (corrosion, free radical production, etc.) that is not necessarily

good.

>

> And finally, let's presume an asthmatic gets more O2 which is good

during

> inflammatory reactions because ones needs a certain amount to

survive and

> function; but radioactive deposition of particles in lungs was

found to be

> no different for non-asthmatics v asthmatics in actual radio-

labeled

> studies, so they are still depositing the same particles.

>

> 3. You said:

>

> Winter days like today are among my very favorite

>

> Response:

>

> That ain't winter.

>

> Tony

>

> ....................................................................

...

> " Tony " Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE

> pH2, LLC

> 5250 E US 36, Suite 830

> Avon, IN 46123

> www.ph2llc.com

>

> off

> (317) 718-7038 fax

> cell

>

> 90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal

point...any

> consultant can give you the other 10%(SM)

>

> This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may

contain

> legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended

only for

> the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you

are not

> the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in

error, you

> are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and

any

> attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and

attachments

> (including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or

by phone at

> . Delivery of this message and any attachments to any

person

> other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to

waive

> confidentiality or a privilege. All personal messages express

views only of

> the sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be

copied or

> distributed without this statement.

>

>

>

>

> **************Don't be the last to know - click here for the latest

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