Re: disconcerting sensation

[Guest guest]

Agreed 100% that is exactly how I feel when I am in a bad way,

scrambled.

But I feel that it is psychological which then causes the

reaction to the nervous system, this is just IMO, just like the flight or fight

response acts....

Do you also feel disgusted???

From: Soundsensitivity

[mailto:Soundsensitivity ] On Behalf Of Tammy Case

Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 1:03 PM

To: Soundsensitivity

Subject: disconcerting sensation

I know there's lots of theories floating around about what causes 4s such as

OCD, Post Traumatic Stress, Ear infections, Psycho issues, and the like. I just

find it hard to agree that it's purely psychological and not neurological. And

here's why:

Today I was at Best Buy waiting for an associate to help me and I had to

stand there for quite some time. There was another customer there walking up

and down the aisle looking at the large array of televisions. Y'know how they

have one whole wall dedicated to tv's? Anyway... he had this rip/snort but Dry

sniff that happened chronically about every two minutes and he walked up and

down, up and down, just looking at the tv's so stupidly. He didn't even have a

purpose. Which made me SO ANGRY...you know we get. Anyway, the point of all

this is to say that when he would sniff, I had the very distinct and

disconcerting sensation like my entire central nervous system was being

disrupted. It wasn't just dislike. It was very painful physical sensation that

set my skin on edge! I couldn't think a thought! It was like...for that

moment...my brain was scrambled! It's like when you're watching a movie or dvd

on tv and actually change that special channel it has to be on so the whole

screen goes slanty and weird and makes that awful buzzing sound. Know what I

mean? I felt...disrupted, jarred, electrocuted. It was AWFUL. It wasn't a

Dislike. It wasn't an annoyance. My nerves were like being interuppted or

something. UGH...shudders.

Anyway, that's my disconcerting experience today.

[Guest guest]

But isn't fight or flight reflex an involuntary physiological response and thus would not be psychological? I truly feel there is some neurological component as well, which is why I was hoping for an evaluation from Dr. Lawless when I went to Dr. Phil. Instead I got relaxation CD's... bleh...

Agreed 100% that is exactly how I feel when I am in a bad way,

scrambled.

But I feel that it is psychological which then causes the

reaction to the nervous system, this is just IMO, just like the flight or fight

response acts....

Do you also feel disgusted???

From: Soundsensitivity

[mailto:Soundsensitivity ] On Behalf Of Tammy Case

Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 1:03 PM

To: Soundsensitivity

Subject: disconcerting sensation

I know there's lots of theories floating around about what causes 4s such as

OCD, Post Traumatic Stress, Ear infections, Psycho issues, and the like. I just

find it hard to agree that it's purely psychological and not neurological. And

here's why:

Today I was at Best Buy waiting for an associate to help me and I had to

stand there for quite some time. There was another customer there walking up

and down the aisle looking at the large array of televisions. Y'know how they

have one whole wall dedicated to tv's? Anyway... he had this rip/snort but Dry

sniff that happened chronically about every two minutes and he walked up and

down, up and down, just looking at the tv's so stupidly. He didn't even have a

purpose. Which made me SO ANGRY...you know we get. Anyway, the point of all

this is to say that when he would sniff, I had the very distinct and

disconcerting sensation like my entire central nervous system was being

disrupted. It wasn't just dislike. It was very painful physical sensation that

set my skin on edge! I couldn't think a thought! It was like...for that

moment...my brain was scrambled! It's like when you're watching a movie or dvd

on tv and actually change that special channel it has to be on so the whole

screen goes slanty and weird and makes that awful buzzing sound. Know what I

mean? I felt...disrupted, jarred, electrocuted. It was AWFUL. It wasn't a

Dislike. It wasn't an annoyance. My nerves were like being interuppted or

something. UGH...shudders.

Anyway, that's my disconcerting experience today.

[Guest guest]

I agree that 4S has got to have a neurological aspect to it. I find

that on my worst days (which has been daily as of late) I feel like

my brain is in a fog... and I really have trouble concentrating on

even the simplest of things. If it affects my brain that much...

it's got to be stemming from my brain to begin with! LOL.

>

> I know there's lots of theories floating around about what causes

4s such as OCD, Post Traumatic Stress, Ear infections, Psycho issues,

and the like. I just find it hard to agree that it's purely

psychological and not neurological. And here's why:

> Today I was at Best Buy waiting for an associate to help me and I

had to stand there for quite some time. There was another customer

there walking up and down the aisle looking at the large array of

televisions. Y'know how they have one whole wall dedicated to tv's?

Anyway.... he had this rip/snort but Dry sniff that happened

chronically about every two minutes and he walked up and down, up and

down, just looking at the tv's so stupidly. He didn't even have a

purpose. Which made me SO ANGRY...you know we get. Anyway, the point

of all this is to say that when he would sniff, I had the very

distinct and disconcerting sensation like my entire central nervous

system was being disrupted. It wasn't just dislike. It was very

painful physical sensation that set my skin on edge! I couldn't think

a thought! It was like...for that moment...my brain was scrambled!

It's like when you're watching a movie or dvd on tv and actually

change that special channel it has to

> be on so the whole screen goes slanty and weird and makes that

awful buzzing sound. Know what I mean? I felt...disrupted, jarred,

electrocuted. It was AWFUL. It wasn't a Dislike. It wasn't an

annoyance. My nerves were like being  interuppted or something.

UGH...shudders.

>  

> Anyway, that's my disconcerting experience today.

>

[Guest guest]

Flight or fight is, unless learned to react differently, involuntary.

Although a bad example, my point was that psychological aspects has a direct

and often overwhelming reaction to the neurological system, ie nerves organs

etc. Think about something that scares you and you pulse is likely to increase

for example, or better still think about the sound of a chip crunching and what

happens??. If it is not a learned response and is a hard wire stuff up somewhere

in our brain...or little toe for as far as we know, then that could be causing

the reactions on the mind which the mind has learned and has further enhanced.....

Havent eaten or drunk anything all day because of a blood test so I cant

think, I will come back to this tomorrow.

But I guess on the other side of the coin, a chemical imbalance,

or something wrong with your neurological system could also have a direct

response on your psyche.... hmmmm now you make me question myself. Not always a

bad thing J

From: Soundsensitivity

[mailto:Soundsensitivity ] On Behalf Of joanrenae

Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 6:03 PM

To: Soundsensitivity

Subject: Re: disconcerting sensation

But isn't fight or flight reflex an involuntary

physiological response and thus would not be psychological? I

truly feel there is some neurological component as well, which is why I was

hoping for an evaluation from Dr. Lawless when I went to Dr. Phil.

Instead I got relaxation CD's... bleh...

Agreed

100% that is exactly how I feel when I am in a bad way, scrambled.

But I

feel that it is psychological which then causes the reaction to the nervous

system, this is just IMO, just like the flight or fight response acts....

Do you

also feel disgusted???

From: Soundsensitivity

[mailto:Soundsensitivity ]

On Behalf Of Tammy Case

Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 1:03 PM

To: Soundsensitivity

Subject: disconcerting sensation

I know there's lots of theories floating around

about what causes 4s such as OCD, Post Traumatic Stress, Ear infections, Psycho

issues, and the like. I just find it hard to agree that it's purely

psychological and not neurological. And here's why:

Today I was at Best Buy waiting for an associate to help me and I had to

stand there for quite some time. There was another customer there walking up

and down the aisle looking at the large array of televisions. Y'know how they

have one whole wall dedicated to tv's? Anyway... he had this rip/snort but Dry

sniff that happened chronically about every two minutes and he walked up and

down, up and down, just looking at the tv's so stupidly. He didn't even have a

purpose. Which made me SO ANGRY...you know we get. Anyway, the point of all

this is to say that when he would sniff, I had the very distinct and

disconcerting sensation like my entire central nervous system was being

disrupted. It wasn't just dislike. It was very painful physical sensation that

set my skin on edge! I couldn't think a thought! It was like...for that

moment...my brain was scrambled! It's like when you're watching a movie or dvd

on tv and actually change that special channel it has to be on so the whole

screen goes slanty and weird and makes that awful buzzing sound. Know what I

mean? I felt...disrupted, jarred, electrocuted. It was AWFUL. It wasn't a

Dislike. It wasn't an annoyance. My nerves were like being interuppted or

something. UGH...shudders.

Anyway, that's my disconcerting experience today.

[Guest guest]

I think my 4S is getting worse as peri-menopause progresses! I have total brain fog! Joan Vasquez

Flight or fight is, unless learned to react differently, involuntary.

Although a bad example, my point was that psychological aspects has a direct

and often overwhelming reaction to the neurological system, ie nerves organs

etc. Think about something that scares you and you pulse is likely to increase

for example, or better still think about the sound of a chip crunching and what

happens??. If it is not a learned response and is a hard wire stuff up somewhere

in our brain...or little toe for as far as we know, then that could be causing

the reactions on the mind which the mind has learned and has further enhanced.....

Havent eaten or drunk anything all day because of a blood test so I cant

think, I will come back to this tomorrow.

But I guess on the other side of the coin, a chemical imbalance,

or something wrong with your neurological system could also have a direct

response on your psyche.... hmmmm now you make me question myself. Not always a

bad thing J

From: Soundsensitivity

[mailto:Soundsensitivity ] On Behalf Of joanrenae

Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 6:03 PM

To: Soundsensitivity

Subject: Re: disconcerting sensation

But isn't fight or flight reflex an involuntary

physiological response and thus would not be psychological? I

truly feel there is some neurological component as well, which is why I was

hoping for an evaluation from Dr. Lawless when I went to Dr. Phil.

Instead I got relaxation CD's... bleh...

Agreed

100% that is exactly how I feel when I am in a bad way, scrambled.

But I

feel that it is psychological which then causes the reaction to the nervous

system, this is just IMO, just like the flight or fight response acts....

Do you

also feel disgusted???

From: Soundsensitivity

[mailto:Soundsensitivity ]

On Behalf Of Tammy Case

Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 1:03 PM

To: Soundsensitivity

Subject: disconcerting sensation

I know there's lots of theories floating around

about what causes 4s such as OCD, Post Traumatic Stress, Ear infections, Psycho

issues, and the like. I just find it hard to agree that it's purely

psychological and not neurological. And here's why:

Today I was at Best Buy waiting for an associate to help me and I had to

stand there for quite some time. There was another customer there walking up

and down the aisle looking at the large array of televisions. Y'know how they

have one whole wall dedicated to tv's? Anyway... he had this rip/snort but Dry

sniff that happened chronically about every two minutes and he walked up and

down, up and down, just looking at the tv's so stupidly. He didn't even have a

purpose. Which made me SO ANGRY...you know we get. Anyway, the point of all

this is to say that when he would sniff, I had the very distinct and

disconcerting sensation like my entire central nervous system was being

disrupted. It wasn't just dislike. It was very painful physical sensation that

set my skin on edge! I couldn't think a thought! It was like...for that

moment...my brain was scrambled! It's like when you're watching a movie or dvd

on tv and actually change that special channel it has to be on so the whole

screen goes slanty and weird and makes that awful buzzing sound. Know what I

mean? I felt...disrupted, jarred, electrocuted. It was AWFUL. It wasn't a

Dislike. It wasn't an annoyance. My nerves were like being interuppted or

something. UGH...shudders.

Anyway, that's my disconcerting experience today.

[Guest guest]

I definitely know that feeling you're talking about. I have often

referred to it as " making my skin crawl. " It's like you're

uncomfortable (x1000) in your own skin. Ugh! I have recently started

shuttering/twitching when I get annoyed...like a cold chill but it's

not. I think it started as a conscious signal to my husband, but I've

noticed I do it more often now without thinking about it.

>

> I know there's lots of theories floating around about what causes 4s

such as OCD, Post Traumatic Stress, Ear infections, Psycho issues, and

the like. I just find it hard to agree that it's purely psychological

and not neurological. And here's why:

> Today I was at Best Buy waiting for an associate to help me and I

had to stand there for quite some time. There was another customer

there walking up and down the aisle looking at the large array of

televisions. Y'know how they have one whole wall dedicated to tv's?

Anyway.... he had this rip/snort but Dry sniff that happened

chronically about every two minutes and he walked up and down, up and

down, just looking at the tv's so stupidly. He didn't even have a

purpose. Which made me SO ANGRY...you know we get. Anyway, the point

of all this is to say that when he would sniff, I had the very

distinct and disconcerting sensation like my entire central nervous

system was being disrupted. It wasn't just dislike. It was very

painful physical sensation that set my skin on edge! I couldn't think

a thought! It was like...for that moment...my brain was scrambled!

It's like when you're watching a movie or dvd on tv and actually

change that special channel it has to

> be on so the whole screen goes slanty and weird and makes that

awful buzzing sound. Know what I mean? I felt...disrupted, jarred,

electrocuted. It was AWFUL. It wasn't a Dislike. It wasn't an

annoyance. My nerves were like being  interuppted or something.

UGH...shudders.

>  

> Anyway, that's my disconcerting experience today.

>

[Guest guest]

The way I describe the feeling Tammy is talking about, is feeling all

twisted up inside. It can be very jarring and disruptive.

[Guest guest]

For further example, my mom was trying to ask me about something the other day while my dad was crunching chips. I kept 'umm"ing and getting antsy. I couldn't even think straight to answer her question. Finally, my mom just looked at my dad and said "can you stop eating chips? She needs to think."

Yep, that's so true. I'm literally scrambled. I'm sure lots of us have this same thing.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

I've seen this same exact reaction in my daughter! She can't focus on anything when a trigger sound is occurring.

-----Original Message-----From: Soundsensitivity [mailto:Soundsensitivity ]On Behalf Of Tammy CaseSent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:29 PMTo: Soundsensitivity Subject: Re: Re: disconcerting sensation

For further example, my mom was trying to ask me about something the other day while my dad was crunching chips. I kept 'umm"ing and getting antsy. I couldn't even think straight to answer her question. Finally, my mom just looked at my dad and said "can you stop eating chips? She needs to think."

Yep, that's so true. I'm literally scrambled. I'm sure lots of us have this same thing.

Tammy