Re: Physiological rather than psychological!

[Guest guest]

Excellent! I don't believe for one minute this is psychological. If

it was psychological then why don't meds for psychologial problems

help? At least they didn't for me. Also, Lynn from the hyperacusis

site e-mails me frequently trying to help with this and she just

mailed me today something about the central nervous system and it's

relation to hyperacusis and misophonia. Also something about mercury

and it's affects on the central nervous system. Thanks for posting

this... off to look into it more!

>

> I came across the following during a recent Google session. It's an

> excerpt from a book called " Hearing: Anatomy, Physiology, and

> Disorders of the Auditory System " (Academic Press, 2006) by Prof

Aage

> R Moller of the School of Behavioral and Brain Sciences at the

> University of Texas at Dallas:

>

> " 4.3 Misophonia

>

> Misophonia is a dislike of specific sounds. Unlike hyperacusis,

> misophonia is specific for certain sounds. Little is known about

the

> anatomical location of the physiological abnormality that causes

such

> symptoms but it is most likely high central nervous system

> structures. "

>

> I don't want to re-ignite the whole 4S/misophonia debate. What

> interested me was that he states that misophonia is caused

> by " physiological abnormality " rather than psychology.

>

> Prof Moller has a website where he details his research interests,

> namely the function of the normal and pathologic ear and the

auditory

> nervous system. He is particularly interested in " neural plasticity

> and its role in tinnitus, hyperacusis and phonophobia. "

>

> Might it be worth trying to enlist his support?

>

[Guest guest]

Great bit of research, Georgieporgie,I've just sent Prof Aage an email telling him about the possible NIH study - just in case he didn't already know about it - and asking if he thinks he can offer us any help. Ingrid.Excellent! I don't believe for one minute this is psychological. If it was psychological then why don't meds for psychologial problems help? At least they didn't for me. Also, Lynn from the hyperacusis site e-mails me frequently trying to help with this and she just mailed me today something about the central nervous system and it's relation to hyperacusis and misophonia. Also something about mercury and it's affects on the central nervous system. Thanks for posting this... off to look into it more!>> I came across the following during a recent Google session. It's an > excerpt from a book called "Hearing: Anatomy, Physiology, and > Disorders of the Auditory System" (Academic Press, 2006) by Prof Aage > R Moller of the School of Behavioral and Brain Sciences at the > University of Texas at Dallas:> > "4.3 Misophonia> > Misophonia is a dislike of specific sounds. Unlike hyperacusis, > misophonia is specific for certain sounds. Little is known about the > anatomical location of the physiological abnormality that causes such > symptoms but it is most likely high central nervous system > structures." > > I don't want to re-ignite the whole 4S/misophonia debate. What > interested me was that he states that misophonia is caused > by "physiological abnormality" rather than psychology. > > Prof Moller has a website where he details his research interests, > namely the function of the normal and pathologic ear and the auditory > nervous system. He is particularly interested in "neural plasticity > and its role in tinnitus, hyperacusis and phonophobia."> > Might it be worth trying to enlist his support?>

[Guest guest]

I have always thought that my 4S could be described this way, a

miswiriing in my nervous system. We are all naturally programmed as

humans to have a 'viseral' 'uncontrollable' reaction to sounds that

are threatening to us. For instance, breaks of a car squeeling, a

firecracker goes off near you with no warning, the loud growl of a

tiger in the wild.... we react to these sounds before we even know

what the stimulus is. We jump or scream, etc and then process what

the sound is with our hearts pounding and a fight or flight response.

I believe that those of us with 4S have this reaction to not only

life threatening sounds (a natural human protector) but to many

tigger sounds. This is where the miswiring may lye. When I hear a

trigger sound I pop my head around and look for the offender and have

a strong nervous system-fight or flight reaction before I even really

recognize the sound and what is going on. I have this fight or flight

so many times a day that it is crazy exhausting.

Does anyone else have an exagerated startle response? Even when a

phone rings, I jump and my adreneline starts flowing big time.

> >

> > I came across the following during a recent Google session. It's

an

> > excerpt from a book called " Hearing: Anatomy, Physiology, and

> > Disorders of the Auditory System " (Academic Press, 2006) by Prof

> Aage

> > R Moller of the School of Behavioral and Brain Sciences at the

> > University of Texas at Dallas:

> >

> > " 4.3 Misophonia

> >

> > Misophonia is a dislike of specific sounds. Unlike hyperacusis,

> > misophonia is specific for certain sounds. Little is known about

> the

> > anatomical location of the physiological abnormality that causes

> such

> > symptoms but it is most likely high central nervous system

> > structures. "

> >

> > I don't want to re-ignite the whole 4S/misophonia debate. What

> > interested me was that he states that misophonia is caused

> > by " physiological abnormality " rather than psychology.

> >

> > Prof Moller has a website where he details his research

interests,

> > namely the function of the normal and pathologic ear and the

> auditory

> > nervous system. He is particularly interested in " neural

plasticity

> > and its role in tinnitus, hyperacusis and phonophobia. "

> >

> > Might it be worth trying to enlist his support?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I am also easily startled.

-- In Soundsensitivity , " lclifton22 " wrote:

>

> I have always thought that my 4S could be described this way, a

> miswiriing in my nervous system. We are all naturally programmed as

> humans to have a 'viseral' 'uncontrollable' reaction to sounds that

> are threatening to us. For instance, breaks of a car squeeling, a

> firecracker goes off near you with no warning, the loud growl of a

> tiger in the wild.... we react to these sounds before we even know

> what the stimulus is. We jump or scream, etc and then process what

> the sound is with our hearts pounding and a fight or flight response.

>

> I believe that those of us with 4S have this reaction to not only

> life threatening sounds (a natural human protector) but to many

> tigger sounds. This is where the miswiring may lye. When I hear a

> trigger sound I pop my head around and look for the offender and have

> a strong nervous system-fight or flight reaction before I even really

> recognize the sound and what is going on. I have this fight or flight

> so many times a day that it is crazy exhausting.

>

> Does anyone else have an exagerated startle response? Even when a

> phone rings, I jump and my adreneline starts flowing big time.

>

>

> > >

> > > I came across the following during a recent Google session. It's

> an

> > > excerpt from a book called " Hearing: Anatomy, Physiology, and

> > > Disorders of the Auditory System " (Academic Press, 2006) by Prof

> > Aage

> > > R Moller of the School of Behavioral and Brain Sciences at the

> > > University of Texas at Dallas:

> > >

> > > " 4.3 Misophonia

> > >

> > > Misophonia is a dislike of specific sounds. Unlike hyperacusis,

> > > misophonia is specific for certain sounds. Little is known about

> > the

> > > anatomical location of the physiological abnormality that causes

> > such

> > > symptoms but it is most likely high central nervous system

> > > structures. "

> > >

> > > I don't want to re-ignite the whole 4S/misophonia debate. What

> > > interested me was that he states that misophonia is caused

> > > by " physiological abnormality " rather than psychology.

> > >

> > > Prof Moller has a website where he details his research

> interests,

> > > namely the function of the normal and pathologic ear and the

> > auditory

> > > nervous system. He is particularly interested in " neural

> plasticity

> > > and its role in tinnitus, hyperacusis and phonophobia. "

> > >

> > > Might it be worth trying to enlist his support?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was thinking about the whole " flight or fight " thing the other day

as I was on hold to speak with customer service. My husband had

spoken with the same company the night before & it got ugly. I was

trying during business hours to see if I could get someone different &

more helpful. Anyway, my heart was pounding as I sat on hold waiting

for a possible conflict. I wondered if that was a normal feeling to

have in that situation or if I do have a 'miswiring.' I was once

afraid to call and order pizza. My sister is the same way about

ordering pizza (she wouldn't even go through drive thru's for a

while), but to my knowledge, she does not have 4S.

> > >

> > > I came across the following during a recent Google session. It's

> an

> > > excerpt from a book called " Hearing: Anatomy, Physiology, and

> > > Disorders of the Auditory System " (Academic Press, 2006) by Prof

> > Aage

> > > R Moller of the School of Behavioral and Brain Sciences at the

> > > University of Texas at Dallas:

> > >

> > > " 4.3 Misophonia

> > >

> > > Misophonia is a dislike of specific sounds. Unlike hyperacusis,

> > > misophonia is specific for certain sounds. Little is known about

> > the

> > > anatomical location of the physiological abnormality that causes

> > such

> > > symptoms but it is most likely high central nervous system

> > > structures. "

> > >

> > > I don't want to re-ignite the whole 4S/misophonia debate. What

> > > interested me was that he states that misophonia is caused

> > > by " physiological abnormality " rather than psychology.

> > >

> > > Prof Moller has a website where he details his research

> interests,

> > > namely the function of the normal and pathologic ear and the

> > auditory

> > > nervous system. He is particularly interested in " neural

> plasticity

> > > and its role in tinnitus, hyperacusis and phonophobia. "

> > >

> > > Might it be worth trying to enlist his support?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm very easily startled--I actually jumped the other day when I flushed a loud public toilet, and I knew it was coming. I was especially sensitive to trigger sounds that day too.

[Guest guest]

I react with a startle to the onset of my trigger sounds. For example, if all of a sudden I hear gum being snapped or someone snoring.

I also do react with a startle to loud sounds sometimes--so I think I am more sensitive like that on a part time basis, but I notice that I also sometimes under react to loud sounds that startle others.

-----Original Message-----From: Soundsensitivity [mailto:Soundsensitivity ]On Behalf Of Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:02 PMTo: Soundsensitivity Subject: Re: Physiological rather than psychological!

I'm very easily startled--I actually jumped the other day when I flushed a loud public toilet, and I knew it was coming. I was especially sensitive to trigger sounds that day too.

[Guest guest]

andrealeigh4,

Hi! Hey I wanted to comment on what you said concerning being afraid

to call and order pizza. This is very familiar to me as I was the

same way when I was younger. I hated calling anyone. But I was

wondering... why were you anxious about it? Was it something related

to your 4S like fearing you would hear a sound you dislike or was it

not connected and you were just anxious? I ask because for me it was

unrelated. I was simply nervous and anxious about it for no apparant

reason. This is when I was diagnosed with anxiety/panic disorder. I

think if you are feeling anxious because of the sound... that is

normal for us 4S'ers. It's the " anticipatory phase " as Dr. J calls

it. We anticipate the sounds we " might " hear. This is where anti-

anxiety meds have been a life saver for me. It's cut down on my

anxious moments 4S related or not.

Darlene

>

> I was thinking about the whole " flight or fight " thing the other day

> as I was on hold to speak with customer service. My husband had

> spoken with the same company the night before & it got ugly. I was

> trying during business hours to see if I could get someone

different &

> more helpful. Anyway, my heart was pounding as I sat on hold

waiting

> for a possible conflict. I wondered if that was a normal feeling to

> have in that situation or if I do have a 'miswiring.' I was once

> afraid to call and order pizza. My sister is the same way about

> ordering pizza (she wouldn't even go through drive thru's for a

> while), but to my knowledge, she does not have 4S.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've actually wondered at times if I don't have anxiety issues (I did

finally admit to myself yesterday that I have control issues!). The

anxiety over ordering pizza was just a general anxiety...I'm past that

now. The thing with customer service, though...I was anticipating

conflict. It wasn't 4S related at all. In general, I really don't

think about 4S...unless it is really getting ready to happen (i.e. my

husband making a drink with ice or getting out the chip bag, etc.).

but I do find myself turning immediately to see where a sound is

originating from!

> >

> > I was thinking about the whole " flight or fight " thing the other day

> > as I was on hold to speak with customer service. My husband had

> > spoken with the same company the night before & it got ugly. I was

> > trying during business hours to see if I could get someone

> different &

> > more helpful. Anyway, my heart was pounding as I sat on hold

> waiting

> > for a possible conflict. I wondered if that was a normal feeling to

> > have in that situation or if I do have a 'miswiring.' I was once

> > afraid to call and order pizza. My sister is the same way about

> > ordering pizza (she wouldn't even go through drive thru's for a

> > while), but to my knowledge, she does not have 4S.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am also really easily startled by noises and seeing things. I mistakenly think I see spiders or bugs, creatures and literally jump sometimes...it's like living in a constant state of fear, anxiety and anticipation...To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:02:24

AMSubject: Re: Physiological rather than psychological!

I'm very easily startled--I actually jumped the other day when I flushed a loud public toilet, and I knew it was coming. I was especially sensitive to trigger sounds that day too.