Re: Bob your wifes bird

August 18, 2006

Parrots can contract giardia,

although it's a self limiting problem for two reasons. Number one, it

is fatal to the bird, and number two, they can only contract it from

other birds so if your parrot is alive and healthy and you don't let

them out of the house or give them direct or indirect contact with

other parrots (such as handling other people's parrots and then

handling your birds later without thorough washing of hands, etc) then

it's really not something to be concerned with.

The main problem with parrots, in our opinion, is that they are a lot

of work, very much like raising children that never grow up. Yet they

live for 50+ years, they grow attached to their owners, they mourn

losing them. It is a tremendous responsibility, too heavy even for a

lot of healthy people, much less sick people. If we had it to do over

again we would not have taken this on. On the other hand, they do

inject a lot of much-needed laughter into our lives. How can I help

but smile when SmallTalk, my African Grey, wakes me up at the crack of

dawn with "Daddy ... good morning! Good MORNING!!" And I have many

times seen my wife's Umbrella Cockatoo, Sophie, gently touch my wife's

face and nuzzle her when she is upset, and give a heart-felt "I LOVE

you."

Before anyone runs out to spend $1200 on a parrot, though, understand

that while the above is great, it's also true that I often don't want

to get up at the crack of dawn, and that I have to baby-sit the birds

for my wife to get any rest, lest the birds get into a screaming fit

.... it's just lucky I work from home. Sometimes we wish desperately

that they had ON/OFF switches.

--Bob

irishdrought1955 wrote:

Bob,

I think birds make the cutest pets.

I am not familar with the different breeds but I have seen shows

with some that are so cute.

Is there anyway to check the droppings for anything that might be

harmful?

Besides histoplasma what do birds carry?

would a pet be different than any bird in the wild?

If so then if you get really deep how about when you go sit outside

at a picnic table or patio chair that the birds have washed .

That just goes with the terrotory.

Sometimes I have wondered about barn swallows. I had a friend with

the histoplasmos and they found it on a lund xray.

They never did any further testing but they took out part of her

lung.

Later she found out it was not necessary and that a lot of people

had been exposed to it without any problems.

I love my animals. I would love for you to post some of your bird

pictures if not off the subject.

Take Care,

sandy

August 18, 2006

-Bob ,

That is to cute.

I didn't realize they lived that long. It does feel nice and warm

to have something love you like that.

When I was small I would beg for one of those parrokeets in a store.

Back then I could see the mess from all the bird seed.

As much as I love animals I do realize what running out to buy

something cute also has responsiblty.

If a pet bird of some sort had some bacterai besides the giardia

could you have it checked?

I just never knew what birds would have beside the histoplasmosis.

That would be the ones around in the outdoors.

I would love to hear more if this was a place to tell pet stories.

sandy

-- In infections , Bob Grommes

<bob@...> wrote:

>

> Parrots can contract giardia, although it's a self limiting

problem for

> two reasons. Number one, it is fatal to the bird, and number two,

they

> can only contract it from other birds so if your parrot is alive

and

> healthy and you don't let them out of the house or give them

direct or

> indirect contact with other parrots (such as handling other

people's

> parrots and then handling your birds later without thorough

washing of

> hands, etc) then it's really not something to be concerned with.

>

> The main problem with parrots, in our opinion, is that they are a

lot of

> work, very much like raising children that never grow up. Yet

they live

> for 50+ years, they grow attached to their owners, they mourn

losing

> them. It is a tremendous responsibility, too heavy even for a lot

of

> healthy people, much less sick people. If we had it to do over

again we

> would not have taken this on. On the other hand, they do inject a

lot

> of much-needed laughter into our lives. How can I help but smile

when

> SmallTalk, my African Grey, wakes me up at the crack of dawn

with " Daddy

> ... good morning! Good MORNING!! " And I have many times seen my

wife's

> Umbrella Cockatoo, Sophie, gently touch my wife's face and nuzzle

her

> when she is upset, and give a heart-felt " I LOVE you. "

>

> Before anyone runs out to spend $1200 on a parrot, though,

understand

> that while the above is great, it's also true that I often don't

want to

> get up at the crack of dawn, and that I have to baby-sit the birds

for

> my wife to get any rest, lest the birds get into a screaming

fit ...

> it's just lucky I work from home. Sometimes we wish desperately

that

> they had ON/OFF switches.

>

> --Bob

>

> irishdrought1955 wrote:

> >

> > Bob,

> > I think birds make the cutest pets.

> > I am not familar with the different breeds but I have seen shows

> > with some that are so cute.

> >

> > Is there anyway to check the droppings for anything that might be

> > harmful?

> > Besides histoplasma what do birds carry?

> > would a pet be different than any bird in the wild?

> >

> > If so then if you get really deep how about when you go sit

outside

> > at a picnic table or patio chair that the birds have washed .

> > That just goes with the terrotory.

> >

> > Sometimes I have wondered about barn swallows. I had a friend

with

> > the histoplasmos and they found it on a lund xray.

> > They never did any further testing but they took out part of her

> > lung.

> > Later she found out it was not necessary and that a lot of people

> > had been exposed to it without any problems.

> >

> > I love my animals. I would love for you to post some of your bird

> > pictures if not off the subject.

> > Take Care,

> > sandy

> >

>

August 18, 2006

Bird poop can be cultured as

well as anything else can. But it's fairly traumatic to them to have a

q-tip rammed up their chloecha (common excretory opening for both urine

and poop). It is also not that easy to get blood samples from a bird,

you usually do it by cutting a claw too short ... then it's fun (and

messy) to get it to stop bleeding. All in all when it comes to birds,

if it ain't obviously broke, don't fix it.

I think probably we are off-topic enough now ;-)

--Bob

irishdrought1955 wrote:

-Bob ,

That is to cute.

I didn't realize they lived that long. It does feel nice and warm

to have something love you like that.

When I was small I would beg for one of those parrokeets in a store.

Back then I could see the mess from all the bird seed.

As much as I love animals I do realize what running out to buy

something cute also has responsiblty.

If a pet bird of some sort had some bacterai besides the giardia

could you have it checked?

I just never knew what birds would have beside the histoplasmosis.

That would be the ones around in the outdoors.

I would love to hear more if this was a place to tell pet stories.

sandy

-- In infections ,

Bob Grommes

<bob@...> wrote:

>

> Parrots can contract giardia, although it's a self limiting

problem for

> two reasons. Number one, it is fatal to the bird, and number two,

they

> can only contract it from other birds so if your parrot is alive

and

> healthy and you don't let them out of the house or give them

direct or

> indirect contact with other parrots (such as handling other

people's

> parrots and then handling your birds later without thorough

washing of

> hands, etc) then it's really not something to be concerned with.

>

> The main problem with parrots, in our opinion, is that they are a

lot of

> work, very much like raising children that never grow up. Yet

they live

> for 50+ years, they grow attached to their owners, they mourn

losing

> them. It is a tremendous responsibility, too heavy even for a lot

of

> healthy people, much less sick people. If we had it to do over

again we

> would not have taken this on. On the other hand, they do inject a

lot

> of much-needed laughter into our lives. How can I help but smile

when

> SmallTalk, my African Grey, wakes me up at the crack of dawn

with "Daddy

> ... good morning! Good MORNING!!" And I have many times seen my

wife's

> Umbrella Cockatoo, Sophie, gently touch my wife's face and nuzzle

her

> when she is upset, and give a heart-felt "I LOVE you."

>

> Before anyone runs out to spend $1200 on a parrot, though,

understand

> that while the above is great, it's also true that I often don't

want to

> get up at the crack of dawn, and that I have to baby-sit the birds

for

> my wife to get any rest, lest the birds get into a screaming

fit ...

> it's just lucky I work from home. Sometimes we wish desperately

that

> they had ON/OFF switches.

>

> --Bob

>

> irishdrought1955 wrote:

> >

> > Bob,

> > I think birds make the cutest pets.

> > I am not familar with the different breeds but I have seen

shows

> > with some that are so cute.

> >

> > Is there anyway to check the droppings for anything that

might be

> > harmful?

> > Besides histoplasma what do birds carry?

> > would a pet be different than any bird in the wild?

> >

> > If so then if you get really deep how about when you go sit

outside

> > at a picnic table or patio chair that the birds have washed .

> > That just goes with the terrotory.

> >

> > Sometimes I have wondered about barn swallows. I had a friend

with

> > the histoplasmos and they found it on a lund xray.

> > They never did any further testing but they took out part of

her

> > lung.

> > Later she found out it was not necessary and that a lot of

people

> > had been exposed to it without any problems.

> >

> > I love my animals. I would love for you to post some of your

bird

> > pictures if not off the subject.

> > Take Care,

> > sandy

> >

>

August 18, 2006

yeah, I can relate. And before anyone runs out and spends $1200 on a bird, they can have mine! Well, it would have to be a very good home, but they are a lot of work, that's for sure. pennyBob Grommes <bob@...> wrote: Parrots can contract giardia, although it's a self limiting problem for two reasons. Number one, it is fatal to the bird, and number two, they can only

contract it from other birds so if your parrot is alive and healthy and you don't let them out of the house or give them direct or indirect contact with other parrots (such as handling other people's parrots and then handling your birds later without thorough washing of hands, etc) then it's really not something to be concerned with.The main problem with parrots, in our opinion, is that they are a lot of work, very much like raising children that never grow up. Yet they live for 50+ years, they grow attached to their owners, they mourn losing them. It is a tremendous responsibility, too heavy even for a lot of healthy people, much less sick people. If we had it to do over again we would not have taken this on. On the other hand, they do inject a lot of much-needed laughter into our lives. How can I help but smile when SmallTalk, my African Grey, wakes me up at the crack of dawn with "Daddy ... good morning! Good MORNING!!"

And I have many times seen my wife's Umbrella Cockatoo, Sophie, gently touch my wife's face and nuzzle her when she is upset, and give a heart-felt "I LOVE you."Before anyone runs out to spend $1200 on a parrot, though, understand that while the above is great, it's also true that I often don't want to get up at the crack of dawn, and that I have to baby-sit the birds for my wife to get any rest, lest the birds get into a screaming fit ... it's just lucky I work from home. Sometimes we wish desperately that they had ON/OFF switches.--Bobirishdrought1955 wrote: Bob, I think birds make the cutest pets.I am not familar with the different breeds but I have seen shows with some that are so cute.Is there anyway to check the droppings for anything that might be harmful?Besides histoplasma what do birds

carry?would a pet be different than any bird in the wild?If so then if you get really deep how about when you go sit outside at a picnic table or patio chair that the birds have washed .That just goes with the terrotory.Sometimes I have wondered about barn swallows. I had a friend with the histoplasmos and they found it on a lund xray.They never did any further testing but they took out part of her lung.Later she found out it was not necessary and that a lot of people had been exposed to it without any problems.I love my animals. I would love for you to post some of your bird pictures if not off the subject.Take Care,sandy

August 18, 2006

I used to post a website article every so often called "Birds & Bacteria" by a Portland Veterinary hospital, because it irked me so much how these animals could get the care that we humans can't. Like cultures, gram stains, sensitivities, treatment and then follow up cultures to make sure the organisms were eradicated. It was my understanding that birds can carry a number of bacteria, and that they are treated with abx, just like humans are. pennyBob Grommes <bob@...> wrote: Bird poop can be cultured as well as anything else can. But it's fairly traumatic to them to have a q-tip rammed up their chloecha (common excretory opening for both urine and poop). It is also not that easy to get blood samples from a bird, you usually do it by cutting a claw too short ... then it's fun (and messy) to get it to stop bleeding. All in all when it comes to birds, if it ain't obviously broke, don't fix it.I think probably we are off-topic enough now ;-)--Bobirishdrought1955 wrote: -Bob ,That is to cute. I didn't realize they lived that long. It does feel nice and warm to have something love you like that.When I was small I would beg for one of those parrokeets in a store.Back then I could see the mess from all the

bird seed.As much as I love animals I do realize what running out to buy something cute also has responsiblty.If a pet bird of some sort had some bacterai besides the giardia could you have it checked?I just never knew what birds would have beside the histoplasmosis.That would be the ones around in the outdoors.I would love to hear more if this was a place to tell pet stories.sandy-- In infections , Bob Grommes <bob@...> wrote:>> Parrots can contract giardia, although it's a self limiting problem for > two reasons. Number one, it is fatal to the bird, and number two, they > can only contract it from other birds so if your parrot is alive and > healthy and you don't let them out of the house or give them

direct or > indirect contact with other parrots (such as handling other people's > parrots and then handling your birds later without thorough washing of > hands, etc) then it's really not something to be concerned with.> > The main problem with parrots, in our opinion, is that they are a lot of > work, very much like raising children that never grow up. Yet they live > for 50+ years, they grow attached to their owners, they mourn losing > them. It is a tremendous responsibility, too heavy even for a lot of > healthy people, much less sick people. If we had it to do over again we > would not have taken this on. On the other hand, they do inject a lot > of much-needed laughter into our lives. How can I help but smile when > SmallTalk, my African Grey, wakes me up at the crack of dawn with "Daddy > ... good morning! Good MORNING!!" And I have

many times seen my wife's > Umbrella Cockatoo, Sophie, gently touch my wife's face and nuzzle her > when she is upset, and give a heart-felt "I LOVE you."> > Before anyone runs out to spend $1200 on a parrot, though, understand > that while the above is great, it's also true that I often don't want to > get up at the crack of dawn, and that I have to baby-sit the birds for > my wife to get any rest, lest the birds get into a screaming fit ... > it's just lucky I work from home. Sometimes we wish desperately that > they had ON/OFF switches.> > --Bob> > irishdrought1955 wrote:> >> > Bob,> > I think birds make the cutest pets.> > I am not familar with the different breeds but I have seen shows> > with some that are so cute.> >> > Is there anyway to check the droppings for anything that

might be> > harmful?> > Besides histoplasma what do birds carry?> > would a pet be different than any bird in the wild?> >> > If so then if you get really deep how about when you go sit outside> > at a picnic table or patio chair that the birds have washed .> > That just goes with the terrotory.> >> > Sometimes I have wondered about barn swallows. I had a friend with> > the histoplasmos and they found it on a lund xray.> > They never did any further testing but they took out part of her> > lung.> > Later she found out it was not necessary and that a lot of people> > had been exposed to it without any problems.> >> > I love my animals. I would love for you to post some of your bird> > pictures if not off the subject.> > Take Care,> > sandy> >>

>>

August 18, 2006

Bob

I just realised you have doctor Cheney driving the get well bus at

your place.I think the bus is stuck in alaska and you need to get to

california?

Bob, IMO, just drop all the bull crap you've been taught and focus on

anyone of your wife's sympotoms and follow it thru till you get all

the bells and whistles of an explanation your happy with..also don't

be scared to ask for opinions on what you planb to do here... All you

get from Cheney is he doesn't accept insurance and a hefty bill. If

you spent your co pays chasing facts you'd be 52 states in front of

where Cheney is leading you.You KNOW the guys means no harm but is

also full of hot air. A cluster of people fell ill at his feet and he

doesn't have the slightest idea how to swab for a VIRUS / BACTERIA/

FUNGUS or PARASITE......Imagine how f...d up this is when everything

initially points to a respiratory pathogen.

tony

> > > >

> > > > Bob,

> > > > I think birds make the cutest pets.

> > > > I am not familar with the different breeds but I have seen

shows

> > > > with some that are so cute.

> > > >

> > > > Is there anyway to check the droppings for anything that

might be

> > > > harmful?

> > > > Besides histoplasma what do birds carry?

> > > > would a pet be different than any bird in the wild?

> > > >

> > > > If so then if you get really deep how about when you go sit

> > outside

> > > > at a picnic table or patio chair that the birds have washed .

> > > > That just goes with the terrotory.

> > > >

> > > > Sometimes I have wondered about barn swallows. I had a friend

> > with

> > > > the histoplasmos and they found it on a lund xray.

> > > > They never did any further testing but they took out part of

her

> > > > lung.

> > > > Later she found out it was not necessary and that a lot of

people

> > > > had been exposed to it without any problems.

> > > >

> > > > I love my animals. I would love for you to post some of your

bird

> > > > pictures if not off the subject.

> > > > Take Care,

> > > > sandy

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 18, 2006

No, Dr Cheney's bus went off

the highway for us over 5 years ago.

We are in fact 52 states beyond that now. Not that it's any help.

Killing pathogens releases toxins. Toxins must be detoxed. Detox

isn't working.

We can and have herded cats -- excuse me, doctors -- but stamina and

money are not infinite. Lately we've been working with an MD who has a

clue, it's just slow going because of the detox issue and general

systemic breakdowns getting in the way.

Who the heck is Dr. Moser?

--Bob

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