[sickbuildings] Update with dr's here making comments.Re:Mysterious Death After Gardening

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, I can't figure out what problems you have with what I am

saying. You are a prime example that substantiates my views that

testing can work against people.

Do you remember your website about being forced to sleep outside in

your visqueen room under the deck, not being believed by others, and

not knowing what was doing this to you?

It wasn't a doctor who contacted you and suggested what the culprit

was.

Do you think doctors would believe you even now? Let alone be able to

recognize this phenomenon and give meaningful advice based on

whatever tests they have?

I know for certain that for others at this level of reactivity,

conventional testing only served to confirm a lack of physiological

basis for their complaints - which added greatly to the disbelief of

people who doubted their illness.

As I said on sickbuildings, one must learn to disregard testing if

it conflicts with their perceptions.

-MW

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> I don't mean this as an attack , I just have problems with

what you are saying.

> I'm not trying to be condescending either, I have made a lot of

these same mistakes in my 11 years, with pillows, mattresses,

chemical exposures, denial my house was making me sick, etc. You

mention people with CFS & MCS doing this same exact thing. Being a

suffer I intimately understand why we make these mistakes. It

basically boils down to when your sick and you KNOW something in the

environment is responsible, the major thought going on in your mind

is " what's doing this to me!??! " Problem is their are many reasons

why we fool ourselves, were wired to look for and see patterns, many

times even where they don't exist, denial of some other source,

desperation, cognitive dissidence being a few.

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> Even though I am someone that suffers from CFS, MCS, SBS, ME,

whatever you want to call it, and fully believe mold is the

underlying cause of the symptoms, (because of dozens of antidotes

over 11 years that all strongly point in this direction) The reason I

call it " hysteria " also is because the level of contaminant's on

the " irritant in question " pail in comparison to other sources like

the house the friend of yours moved to. Suppose you could remove this

variable and put them into a clean room with only the " irritant in

question " the second you open a window and let in outside air (I'm

assuming) you've just exponentially increased the levels of all the

same substances on " the irritant in question "

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> I would just ignore post's like this but when people allow

themselves to be fooled about what is making them sick and what's not

it gives those in the medical profession just the excuse they are

looking for to COMPLETLY dismiss the underlying truth. That this is

a physical and not psychological illness, and something " physical " is

driving driving the symptoms (which can be measured I am sure) and we

need research dollars to fund researchers to find out what this is.

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> In addition to this it allows people suffering from this illness to

deny the major cause of their symptoms which I believe in most cases

is where they spend most of their time (their dwelling) which keeps

them from finding a solution.

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> If expert's in this group find any error in my logic please chime

in, I am just using common sense here as well as my 11 years of

experience with this illness in which I have NEVER been able to

collaborate this claim. (did have a computer monitor which I fully

believe I did react to but it had mold growing inside of it) I

fully admit I don't have any expertise in mycology and would much

like to be corrected by someone who does if I am wrong in my logic.

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> [sickbuildings] Update with dr's here making

comments.Re:Mysterious Death After Gardening

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> The medical profession and toxicologists have repeatedly

> demonstrated that their testing reveals no " scientific " reason

for

> these complaints.

> The common failure of testing to find a plausible reason is an

> indication that if a sufferer wished to take matters into their

own

> hands, reliance on professional testing as a guide to action is

the

> last thing you would want to do.

> Most people are finding out by simple experimentation what they

> should do to avoid the irritant in question - and most of the

doctors

> call their actions 'hysteria':

> Which suggests that whatever the problem is, doctors would not

have

> found it.

> In my friends case, the fact that the mold on this one

> object 'followed' him to Texas and recreated the same symptoms

tells

> him that whatever other " contributors " may have also been present

in

> the plume from that compost farm, that this specific mold alone

was

> enough to be a driving factor even without other factors.

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> By taking the mold from one location to another and recreate

> the " effect " , not only do you narrow down the suspects

considerably,

> but the cost involved was negligible compared to what testing

would

> have been.

> Not to mention that testing often winds up with the sensitized

> individual being assured that nothing was found, so any further

> complaints are likely to be diagnosed as psychosomatic in origin.

> -MW

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