Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Hi, all. Here's a repost from the Experimental list. Maybe it will be of interest to some people here: I've been doing some more study of chronic Lyme disease and have been thinking about why the Yasko treatment program might be helpful to someone with this disorder. As we know, Sue T. has been reporting considerable improvement on the Yasko treatment program, and as we also know, she has tested positively for Lyme disease in the past and has been ill for a long time. So what's going on here? As some of you may recall, I posted some information about Lyme disease and glutathione depletion back in January. I've pasted it at the end of this message for those who would like to review it. In that earlier post, I reviewed published literature showing that Borrelia burgdorferi (the bacteria responsible for Lyme disease) depletes glutathione in the host, and it appears to suppress the activity of glutathione peroxidase over the longer term, even after antibiotic treatment. With glutathione peroxidase suppressed, we can expect that the levels of hydrogen peroxide would be higher in the host, because the job of glutathione peroxidase is to eliminate hydrogen peroxide. O.K., here's something I just found out: Borrelia burgdorferi is encouraged to assume its cystic form when hydrogen peroxide is elevated, and when the cystic forms are placed back in a medium with low hydrogen peroxide, they revert back to the spirochete form. (R. Murgia and M. Cinco, 2004, PMID: 14961976). Now, I think this is really interesting. I think it suggests that the reason Borrelia burgdorferi is able to hang on in a person's body and produce chronic Lyme disease is that it suppresses the activity of glutathione peroxidase, which allows hydrogen peroxide to build up, and then the hydrogen peroxide signals the bacteria to assume the cystic form. This protects it from the immune system and, to a large extent, from antibiotics as well, and that's why chronic Lyme is such a difficult disease to knock out. As I said in my earlier post (below), I don't know how Bb suppresses glutathione peroxidase, but I suspect that it might do it by hoarding selenium, as Prof. Harry has theorized as the pathogenesis mechanism for some viruses, including HIV. Of course, as we know, the buildup of mercury, as occurs when glutathione is depleted and a person is exposed to mercury from amalgams, fish, or other sources, will tie up selenium as well. This may be part of the synergism that Dr. Yasko has found between pathogens and heavy metals. In any case, it seems to me that the key to knocking out chronic Lyme disease might be to lower the levels of hydrogen peroxide, so that Bb will revert to the spirochete form and can be attacked by the immune system and by antibiotics. To do this, both the activity of glutathione peroxidase and the level of glutathione must be brought up to normal. How do we do this? I think supplementation with selenium would be a good thing to try for restoring the activity of glutathione peroxidase. What about glutathione? Well, in the case of many of the people with chronic Lyme disease, I suspect that we are dealing with a set of polymorphisms in the enzymes impacting the methylation cycle that enable the development of a vicious circle mechanism when the glutathione level drops low enough, i.e. the same mechanism that occurs in many cases of autism and chronic fatigue syndrome. (This certainly seems to have been true in the case of Sue T.) If this is true, then it will be necessary to deal directly to bypass these polymorphisms, such as is done in the Yasko treatment program. What I'm suggesting then, is that the people with chronic Lyme disease might also be brought under the " Yasko tent. " This might be the key to making the Borrelia more vulnerable to the immune system and to the antibiotics, so that this disease can be knocked out more effectively. I would appreciate comments on this hypothesis. Rich Here is my earlier post from last January: Hi, Nelly, Sue, Sheila and the group. Thanks very much for posting this. It has really stimulated my thinking about why Lyme disease is symptomatologically so similar to CFS. First, some review. As we all know, it has been terribly difficult to do the differential diagnosis between Lyme disease and CFS. The symptoms overlap considerably, and even the best of the lab tests do not have the sensitivity and selectivity we would all like to see. Symptoms are manifestations of the pathophysiology of a disease, i.e. how the functioning of the body of the sick person is abnormal as a result of the disease. Therefore, if we see that the symptoms of two diseases are very similar, we should suspect that they must have some aspects of pathophysiology in common. Pathophysiology is intimately involved with abnnormal gene expression in the cells of the sick person, because gene expression is a reflection of how the cell is conducting its business, and the misconduct of the business of the cell is pathophysiology. Because of this, I was quite struck some time ago when Sheila reported that Dr. Gow said in a recent talk that he had found that the gene expression pattern in peripheral blood mononuclear cells (monocytes and lymphocytes) is " identical " in CFS and Lyme disease. This implies that the pathophysiology of these two disorders in these cell types is the same. (Note that we can't say anything about what's going on in other cell types in the body in these two disorders from this work. There are no doubt different things that happen in other cell types between Lyme and CFS, and so this is not saying that the two are identical in every way. But in these mononuclear cells, this is saying that the pathophysiology of the two is the same.) As you know, I am of the firm view that in at least a large subset of CFS there is glutathione depletion. In another subset, it looks as though there are genetic variations in the enzymes that make use of glutathione (glutathione transferases and glutathione peroxidases), and the results in terms of pathophysiology are much the same, even though the first group has low glutathione, and the second group may have elevated glutathione. In either subset, the people do not have normal glutathione function. As you also know, based on the work by the DAN! project in autism, I now believe that the basic abnormalities in the biochemistry in autism and CFS are the same or similar. The glutathione depletion brings down the methylation cycle, and a vicious circle develops that produces a host of problems because of the depletion of SAMe (the main methylator in the body), cysteine, glutathione, taurine and sulfate. So, if the pathophysiology of CFS involves the inability to use glutathione effectively, whether because glutathione itself is depleted or because the enzymes that use it have below-normal activity, and if the pathophysiology of CFS and Lyme are indeed identical, then it follows that there must be a problem with the glutathione system in Lyme disease as well. With that introduction, let me now review some things I found in the literature, including the paper to which you (Nelly) drew my attention. I will give the PubMed ID numbers for the references that support these statements. (PMID 1477785) First, in in vitro experiments it has been found that the growth of Borrelia burgdorferi (Bb), the bacterium that causes Lyme disease, is decreased by 80% if cysteine is not present in the culture medium. (PMID 147785) It has been found that cysteine diffuses passively into Bb, i.e. there is no active transporter protein that pumps it into the bacterium. (PMID 1477785) It has been found that Bb incorporates cysteine in three of its proteins. One has a mass of 22 kilodaltons. The others have been identified as outer surface protein A (Osp A), with a mass of 30 kilodaltons, and outer surface protein B (Osp , with a mass of 34 kilodaltons. (PMID 1639493) Bb produces a water-soluble hemolysin. This is a substance that is able to break down red blood cells and release their hemoglobin. It is likely that this substance incorporates a cysteine residue, and this cysteine must be in its reduced state in order for the hemolysin to break down red blood cells. (PMID 16390443) Bb does not produce glutathione, which is the principal non-protein thiol (substance containing an S-H or sulfhydryl group) in human cells. Instead, Bb cells have a high concentration (about 1 millimolar) of reduced coenzyme A (CoASH). Bb also produces a CoA disulfide reductase enzyme that has the responsibility to keep CoASH in its chemically reduced form, so it can function. This enzyme is in turn reduced by NADH (reduced nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide), which is reduced by metabolism of Bb's fuel. (This is analogous to glutathione reductase in human cells, which requires NADPH, which in turn is reduced by the pentose phosphate shunt on glycolysis, which metabolizes glucose as fuel.) In Bb, CoASH is able to reduce hydrogen peroxide, as glutathione peroxidase, together with glutathione, do in human cells. (PMID 11687735) It has been found that when people were infected with Bb and had the characteristic erythema migrans (bulls-eye rash), the total thiol and glutathione in blood analysis were found to be significantly decreased. The activity of glutathione peroxidase was also significantly decreased. Malondialdehyde, a marker for lipid peroxidation, was significantly elevated. After antibiotic treatment with amoxycillin, which eliminated the acute symptoms of Lyme disease, both the total thiol and the glutathione levels recovered to normal. However, the glutathione peroxidase activity was still significantly below normal, and the malondialdehyde remained significantly elevated. This suggested that Bb lowers the thiol and glutathione levels in its host, and inhibits the activity of glutathione peroxidase. I think this also suggests that while antibiotic therapy eliminates acute Lyme symptoms and brings recovery of glutathione levels, the Bb infection may still be suppressing the activity of glutathione peroxidase, and this may be a mechanism involved in long-term (or chronic or post-) Lyme disease. One way in which a pathogen can inhibit its host's glutathione peroxidase activity is to hoard selenium, because this is a cofactor for that enzyme. You may recall that that is the mechanism that Prof. Harry has hypothesized for HIV and AIDS (http://www.hdfoster.com). I could not find any reference in the literature connecting Bb and selenium, and I don't know whether anyone has looked at that. Have any of you who are positive for Lyme had your selenium level measured? It seems pretty clear that Bb uses cysteine and that it depletes glutathione and total thiol (which includes cysteine and protein thiols as well as glutathione) in its host, at least in the acute phase. It also suppresses the activity of glutathione peroxidase, but I'm not sure whether it does it by lowering the host's selenium level, or by some other means. This suppression appears as though it could be chronic. I think there is a good chance that this lowering of glutathione and/or suppressing of the activity of glutathione peroxidase could very well be the explanation for the similarities in symptomatology and the " identical " gene expression in the peripheral blood mononuclear cells in CFS and Lyme disease. It may also be that a host whose glutathione has been depleted by other factors may be more vulnerable to developing Lyme disease, once inoculated with Bb. I am speculating a little here, but this is exciting! If this is true, what are the consequences for treatment of long- term Lyme disease, the subject that Sue raised? I think this remains to be seen, but it does suggest that the DAN! autism treatments may have a contribution to make in the treatment of long- term Lyme disease as I've suggested that they also do in the treatment of CFS. Before we can reach such a conclusion, though, I think it behooves us to get more data on glutathione levels, selenium levels, and glutathione peroxidase activity in people with positive tests for long-term Lyme disease, as well as some experience trying these treatments as part of the treatment of long- term Lyme disease. I'm not suggesting that they would replace other treatments for Lyme disease, such as antibiotic therapy, detoxing of neurotoxins, or other approaches to deal with the bacteria themselves or to deal with particular characteristics of Lyme disease that are not found in autism or CFS. Nevertheless, these treatments might make a significant impact. Time will tell. Thanks for rattling my cage about this, Sheila, Sue and Nelly. 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