News in Science - Vitamin D linked to lower MS risk - 20/12/2006

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Interesting in the light of past experiences of total abstinence from Vit D

Regards

Windsorhttp://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2006/1815358.htm?health

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I find the D thing utterly confusing. I was ready to say that the anti-D camp was full of it, except perhaps for people with Sarcoidosis. But then my daughter comes home from Europe and starts feeling crappy within a week or so, then realizes she's using milk which is enriched with D & A. So we finally track down powdered milk that isn't supplemented (not easy to do) and her problems clear right up. She's definitely one of those people who does not do well with D and feels worse in sunlight. Coincidentally, I have another friend, who's health (and especially pain) improved quite a bit, when she started avoiding the sun. These are really the only 2 people I know who responded to reducing D in their diets, but strange that I know 2 at all. penny Windsor <rwindsor@...> wrote: Interesting in the light of past experiences of total abstinence from Vit D Regards Windsorhttp://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2006/1815358.htm?health

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Hi Penny

You kind of know me and I get better avioding sun and Vit D. I

occasionaly eat eegs and drink milk as a treat.

If Vit boosts immun system, it makes sense to try to modulate how much

inflammation you want.

There may also be other causes with ligth than Vit D. Look at the LED

therapi things. They do something

question is what ?

I don't give much for the current way of evidence med it's like looking

through a straw

and deciding how things are. There are exceptions.

/Per

Penny Houle wrote:

> I find the D thing utterly confusing. I was ready to say that the

> anti-D camp was full of it, except perhaps for people with

> Sarcoidosis. But then my daughter comes home from Europe and starts

> feeling crappy within a week or so, then realizes she's using milk

> which is enriched with D & A. So we finally track down powdered milk

> that isn't supplemented (not easy to do) and her problems clear right

> up. She's definitely one of those people who does not do well with D

> and feels worse in sunlight. Coincidentally, I have another friend,

> who's health (and especially pain) improved quite a bit, when she

> started avoiding the sun. These are really the only 2 people I know

> who responded to reducing D in their diets, but strange that I know 2

> at all.

>

> penny

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Per Sjöholm

Stockholm, Sweden

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You're right, Pert! I do know you! And I forgot that you're another person who does better without D/sun. On the flip side, there are the people who Ken Lassesen was working with who've improved by supplementing D. I personally found that it definitely can raise my temperature. But yes, you are right about trying to make sense of things. Not easy at all. No blanket theories seem to apply to much of anything. pennyPer Sjoholm <pts2grps@...> wrote: Hi PennyYou kind of know me and I get better avioding sun and Vit D. I occasionaly eat eegs and drink milk as a treat.If Vit boosts immun system, it makes sense to try to modulate how much inflammation you want.There may also be other causes with ligth than Vit D. Look at the LED therapi things. They do somethingquestion is what ?I don't give much for the current way of evidence med it's like looking through a strawand deciding how things are. There are exceptions./PerPenny Houle wrote:> I find the D thing utterly confusing. I was ready to say that the > anti-D camp was full of it, except perhaps for people with > Sarcoidosis. But then my daughter comes home from Europe and starts > feeling crappy within a week or so, then realizes she's using milk > which is enriched with D & A. So we finally track down powdered milk > that isn't supplemented (not

easy to do) and her problems clear right > up. She's definitely one of those people who does not do well with D > and feels worse in sunlight. Coincidentally, I have another friend, > who's health (and especially pain) improved quite a bit, when she > started avoiding the sun. These are really the only 2 people I know > who responded to reducing D in their diets, but strange that I know 2 > at all.> > penny-- Per SjöholmStockholm, Sweden

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This crap has been circulating for 20 years ..ALl of a sudden it's

front page again??? My cousin has been supplementing vit D for as long

as who knows when.The irony is with all this fantastic(CRAP!!!!!)

findings, the rate of MS has increased 9% in the past decade or so...

tony

>

> Interesting in the light of past experiences of total abstinence from

Vit D

> Regards

> Windsor

> http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2006/1815358.htm?health

>

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Penny,

A group member of swedish borrelia group stated that after viewing

Marshallprotocol video

she understood why her son got more involuntary muscle movement after

digesting Vit D capsules.

She realizes why to stay away from D.

I guess by boosting immun system it's possible to force the bugs backoff

a little and you feel better

for a time. Using Vitamin D and/or Sun light is one way of boosting the

immun system.

Using abx is an other way of modulating the immun system.

Remember what T M said about going up or down with abx dose to handle

immunreactions.

I have a friend that goes to Egypt(for Sunshine) for a week during

november to get better from ME/CFS.

He slow increases sun and physical activity during a week-10 days and

feels much better when coming home.

/Per

Penny Houle wrote:

> You're right, Pert! I do know you! And I forgot that you're another

> person who does better without D/sun. On the flip side, there are the

> people who Ken Lassesen was working with who've improved by

> supplementing D. I personally found that it definitely can raise my

> temperature.

>

> But yes, you are right about trying to make sense of things. Not easy

> at all. No blanket theories seem to apply to much of anything.

>

> penny

>

> */Per Sjoholm <pts2grps@...>/* wrote:

>

> Hi Penny

> You kind of know me and I get better avioding sun and Vit D. I

> occasionaly eat eegs and drink milk as a treat.

> If Vit boosts immun system, it makes sense to try to modulate how

> much

> inflammation you want.

> There may also be other causes with ligth than Vit D. Look at the LED

> therapi things. They do something

> question is what ?

>

> I don't give much for the current way of evidence med it's like

> looking

> through a straw

> and deciding how things are. There are exceptions.

>

> /Per

>

> Penny Houle wrote:

> > I find the D thing utterly confusing. I was ready to say that the

> > anti-D camp was full of it, except perhaps for people with

> > Sarcoidosis. But then my daughter comes home from Europe and starts

> > feeling crappy within a week or so, then realizes she's using milk

> > which is enriched with D & A. So we finally track down powdered

> milk

> > that isn't supplemented (not easy to do) and her problems clear

> right

> > up. She's definitely one of those people who does not do well

> with D

> > and feels worse in sunlight. Coincidentally, I have another friend,

> > who's health (and especially pain) improved quite a bit, when she

> > started avoiding the sun. These are really the only 2 people I know

> > who responded to reducing D in their diets, but strange that I

> know 2

> > at all.

> >

> > penny

>

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Per Sjöholm

Stockholm, Sweden

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Are any of you still reading at the other message board? I understand

they have new guidelines on the importance of D avoidance. I don't

read there much, except on really slow, boring days.

a

>

> Penny,

> A group member of swedish borrelia group stated that after viewing

> Marshallprotocol video

> she understood why her son got more involuntary muscle movement

after

> digesting Vit D capsules.

> She realizes why to stay away from D.

>

> I guess by boosting immun system it's possible to force the bugs

backoff

> a little and you feel better

> for a time. Using Vitamin D and/or Sun light is one way of boosting

the

> immun system.

> Using abx is an other way of modulating the immun system.

> Remember what T M said about going up or down with abx dose to

handle

> immunreactions.

> I have a friend that goes to Egypt(for Sunshine) for a week during

> november to get better from ME/CFS.

> He slow increases sun and physical activity during a week-10 days

and

> feels much better when coming home.

>

> /Per

>

> Penny Houle wrote:

> > You're right, Pert! I do know you! And I forgot that you're

another

> > person who does better without D/sun. On the flip side, there are

the

> > people who Ken Lassesen was working with who've improved by

> > supplementing D. I personally found that it definitely can raise

my

> > temperature.

> >

> > But yes, you are right about trying to make sense of things. Not

easy

> > at all. No blanket theories seem to apply to much of anything.

> >

> > penny

> >

> > */Per Sjoholm <pts2grps@...>/* wrote:

> >

> > Hi Penny

> > You kind of know me and I get better avioding sun and Vit D. I

> > occasionaly eat eegs and drink milk as a treat.

> > If Vit boosts immun system, it makes sense to try to modulate

how

> > much

> > inflammation you want.

> > There may also be other causes with ligth than Vit D. Look at

the LED

> > therapi things. They do something

> > question is what ?

> >

> > I don't give much for the current way of evidence med it's

like

> > looking

> > through a straw

> > and deciding how things are. There are exceptions.

> >

> > /Per

> >

> > Penny Houle wrote:

> > > I find the D thing utterly confusing. I was ready to say

that the

> > > anti-D camp was full of it, except perhaps for people with

> > > Sarcoidosis. But then my daughter comes home from Europe

and starts

> > > feeling crappy within a week or so, then realizes she's

using milk

> > > which is enriched with D & A. So we finally track down

powdered

> > milk

> > > that isn't supplemented (not easy to do) and her problems

clear

> > right

> > > up. She's definitely one of those people who does not do

well

> > with D

> > > and feels worse in sunlight. Coincidentally, I have another

friend,

> > > who's health (and especially pain) improved quite a bit,

when she

> > > started avoiding the sun. These are really the only 2

people I know

> > > who responded to reducing D in their diets, but strange

that I

> > know 2

> > > at all.

> > >

> > > penny

> >

>

>

> --

> Per Sjöholm

> Stockholm, Sweden

>

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>

>

> This crap has been circulating for 20 years ..ALl of a sudden it's

> front page again??? My cousin has been supplementing vit D for as

long

> as who knows when.The irony is with all this fantastic(CRAP!!!!!)

> findings, the rate of MS has increased 9% in the past decade or so...

>

> tony

So Tony--Your cousin has MS and he is supplementing with Vit D? You

weren't clear. Has it made any difference for him?

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>

>

> This crap has been circulating for 20 years ..ALl of a sudden it's

> front page again??? My cousin has been supplementing vit D for as

long

> as who knows when.The irony is with all this fantastic(CRAP!!!!!)

> findings, the rate of MS has increased 9% in the past decade or so...

>

> tony

So Tony--Your cousin has MS and he is supplementing with Vit D? You

weren't clear. Has it made any difference for him?

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In case Tony doesn't see this, I know his cousin has MS, and isn't doing that well. pennyhope0073 <hope0073@...> wrote: >> > This crap has been circulating for 20 years ..ALl of a sudden it's > front page again??? My cousin has been supplementing vit D for as

long > as who knows when.The irony is with all this fantastic(CRAP!!!!!) > findings, the rate of MS has increased 9% in the past decade or so...> > tonySo Tony--Your cousin has MS and he is supplementing with Vit D? You weren't clear. Has it made any difference for him?