[sickbuildings] Update with dr's here making comments.Re:Mysterious Death After Gardening

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> The problem I have I thought I stated pretty clearly, the substance

that your trying to avoid (I believe) is much more abundant in the

air outside, so it makes no sense how the reactivity could be coming

from the object in question. A much more plausible hypothesis would

be your friends are mistaking this object in question for much more

likely sources, " outside mold " " indoor mold from one's dwelling " " any

place they go, friends house, library, supermarket " etc. (many times

I have found my reactivity isn't instantaneous so I am always having

difficulty determining the sources and skeptical of others that

insist they always know) Until they remove these variables they can't

possibly know what they are claiming to know. And what further

denigrates anybodies credibility is when they use testimonials from

others to bolster what they claim to know. In science testimonials

are never taken at face value. They are treated with a great deal of

skepticism and for a very good reason, people fool themselves all the

time so they may be honest in what they believe but none the less

they may also be wrong. (I also briefly touched how we fool

ourselves in the last post) Other examples would be the big foot

legend, or ufo's, or esp, once these

things are let out of the bag you can almost never undo the damage

they become legend's and everyone claims to have seen one, or have

some type of psychic power. You can't take personal testimony at

face value EVER.

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That's why I advised on Sickbuildings that people perform some

simple testing to find out for themselves.

-MW

" Subject: [sickbuildings] Joe Kleins Website

www.stachy5u.com

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:59:20 -0000

To: sickbuildings

" It's absolutely awesome to hear someone else describe the ability

of

hair to maintain and transport the mold. I found that wool garments

are no different.

I noticed that some contaminated places give me a huge " hit " but

that

I could walk away and recover without decontamination. Other places

might hit me less, but I would carry the " reaction " with me. This

led

me to believe that the neurotoxic reaction was to aerosolized

mycotoxins and not necessarily inhalation of spores.

I tested this by placing a contaminated article in HEPA filters and

taking it to my " clean " place. I put it under six layers of blankets

and slept on it. I got the usual reaction and removed the article

but

went back to sleep on the same blankets. The reaction was gone.

This convinced me that that spores had not penetrated the filter or

blankets and that the toxic gas was truly my primary irritant.

This was confirmed by Dr Marinkovich who told me that a housing

project in Sweden had recently been identified with sick inhabitants

but no spores could be found. Only when the walls were opened up

were

the colonies found, but they were so tightly sealed in the walls

that

only the toxic gas could escape.

Many places that give me mold hits are strictly VOC hits and not

spores. When I leave these areas I do not have to bother with

decontamination.

- "

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