Re: Should we pursue Lyme diagnosis further?

[Guest guest]

Thank you and Limin, that is what I was thinking too.

Especially since he showed IND on some borrelia specific bands, that

just made me wonder. I will have to look into testing myself. I

have a lot of chronic health issues that could indicate lyme/co-

infections, viruses and heavy metals.

Now for the +++ he had for the 41 band - what could this be related

too (as I understand it's not a borrelia specific band)??

Thanks,

Sheri

> >

> > Sheri,

> >

> > Because all the bands 23-25, 31, and 39 (except band 41) that your

> child has

> > an " indeterminate " test result are Borrelia-specific. I would

> suggest that

> > you further pursue with Lyme and coinfection diagnosis. Many

LLMDs

> agree

> > that Lyme should be of clinic diagnosis based upon symptoms, and

> labs are

> > used as reference. Quite a few in this group choose to treat it

> first, and

> > then test for it. I, for one, adopted this approach, because it

is

> > difficult for a weaken immune system commonly seen in ASD children

> to form

> > antibodies against stealthy antigens such as Lyme.

> >

> > After 3.5 months into herbal treatment, my son still got an

> inconclusive

> > Western Blot. He however was tested positive to 3 major

> coinfectors. When

> > speaking with Dr. JB not long ago, he suggested that I do not

> consider my

> > son's IGeneX test result inconclusive, but rather a weak

positive. He

> > explained that an indeterminate band means the lab technician has

> identified

> > some antibody activities, but s/he is not ready to call it

positive yet.

> >

> > Have you done a coinfection panel? Testing for coinfectors can

help to

> > clarify the grand picture of multiple infections. CD-57 via

LabCorp

> might

> > be also helpful, as Lyme is the only known pathogen that can

lower the

> > levels of CD-57.

> >

> > Limin

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------

> > From: " Sheri " <ksmiller@>

> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 22:28

> > To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

> > Subject: Should we pursue

Lyme

> > diagnosis further?

> >

> > > My ASD son had a western blot test performed by IGeneX

recently. Our

> > > DAN says that the test doesn't indicate that Lyme is an issue

for

> > > him, but I thought I would run the results by you guys to get a

> > > little more feedback. I'm still really learning about these

tests,

> > > and need a little input.

> > >

> > > The IgM result came back as " negative " with

only " indeterminate " for

> > > the 23-25 band and the 41 band.

> > > The IgG result also came back " negative " , but

had " indeterminate " for

> > > the 31 and 39 bands, and " +++ " on the 41 band.

> > > Hope that makes sense!

> > >

> > > What is your take on these results? We have not been treating

him

> > > with prescription antibiotics at all since starting biomed in

> > > January. The only supplements he's taken that have any

antibacterial

> > > properties would be OLE (for about 2 months in the spring) and

OoO

> > > (for about 2 months prior to this test). I've heard/read that

a test

> > > may very well show up as negative even if Lyme is present, and

that

> > > it might only be after you start to treat it that it then could

test

> > > positive (sorry, I really don't know a lot about this).

> > >

> > > Thanks for any input,

> > > Sheri

[Guest guest]

Sheri,

Band 41 is non-specific, and many pathogens cross-react to this band. This

one usually shows up the earliest in Lyme patients. It is not unusual to

show up positive when testing ASD children either, because these two groups

likely both have multiple infections. IgG band 41 triple +++ positive just

means evidence of strong positive for multiple infections in the past.

Limin

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Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 15:14

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

Subject: Re: Should we pursue Lyme

diagnosis further?

> Thank you and Limin, that is what I was thinking too.

> Especially since he showed IND on some borrelia specific bands, that

> just made me wonder. I will have to look into testing myself. I

> have a lot of chronic health issues that could indicate lyme/co-

> infections, viruses and heavy metals.

>

> Now for the +++ he had for the 41 band - what could this be related

> too (as I understand it's not a borrelia specific band)??

>

> Thanks,

> Sheri

>

>

>> >

>> > Sheri,

>> >

>> > Because all the bands 23-25, 31, and 39 (except band 41) that your

>> child has

>> > an " indeterminate " test result are Borrelia-specific. I would

>> suggest that

>> > you further pursue with Lyme and coinfection diagnosis. Many

> LLMDs

>> agree

>> > that Lyme should be of clinic diagnosis based upon symptoms, and

>> labs are

>> > used as reference. Quite a few in this group choose to treat it

>> first, and

>> > then test for it. I, for one, adopted this approach, because it

> is

>> > difficult for a weaken immune system commonly seen in ASD children

>> to form

>> > antibodies against stealthy antigens such as Lyme.

>> >

>> > After 3.5 months into herbal treatment, my son still got an

>> inconclusive

>> > Western Blot. He however was tested positive to 3 major

>> coinfectors. When

>> > speaking with Dr. JB not long ago, he suggested that I do not

>> consider my

>> > son's IGeneX test result inconclusive, but rather a weak

> positive. He

>> > explained that an indeterminate band means the lab technician has

>> identified

>> > some antibody activities, but s/he is not ready to call it

> positive yet.

>> >

>> > Have you done a coinfection panel? Testing for coinfectors can

> help to

>> > clarify the grand picture of multiple infections. CD-57 via

> LabCorp

>> might

>> > be also helpful, as Lyme is the only known pathogen that can

> lower the

>> > levels of CD-57.

>> >

>> > Limin

>> >

>> > --------------------------------------------------

>> > From: " Sheri " <ksmiller@>

>> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 22:28

>> > To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

>> > Subject: Should we pursue

> Lyme

>> > diagnosis further?

>> >

>> > > My ASD son had a western blot test performed by IGeneX

> recently. Our

>> > > DAN says that the test doesn't indicate that Lyme is an issue

> for

>> > > him, but I thought I would run the results by you guys to get a

>> > > little more feedback. I'm still really learning about these

> tests,

>> > > and need a little input.

>> > >

>> > > The IgM result came back as " negative " with

> only " indeterminate " for

>> > > the 23-25 band and the 41 band.

>> > > The IgG result also came back " negative " , but

> had " indeterminate " for

>> > > the 31 and 39 bands, and " +++ " on the 41 band.

>> > > Hope that makes sense!

>> > >

>> > > What is your take on these results? We have not been treating

> him

>> > > with prescription antibiotics at all since starting biomed in

>> > > January. The only supplements he's taken that have any

> antibacterial

>> > > properties would be OLE (for about 2 months in the spring) and

> OoO

>> > > (for about 2 months prior to this test). I've heard/read that

> a test

>> > > may very well show up as negative even if Lyme is present, and

> that

>> > > it might only be after you start to treat it that it then could

> test

>> > > positive (sorry, I really don't know a lot about this).

>> > >

>> > > Thanks for any input,

>> > > Sheri

>

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