Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Do you think he means 'tissue type' when he says genetics? Barb --- In infections , candtcampbell@... wrote: > > a, > > > I should also mention that Jemsek said that I do not have the genetics to > be susceptible to Lyme. > > > Tim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Yes Barb, I believe it's an HLA test. Tim P.S. I do have a positive Bowen test. How reliable do folks think that is? Do you think he means 'tissue type' when he says genetics?Barb>> a,> > > I should also mention that Jemsek said that I do not have the genetics to> be susceptible to Lyme.> > > Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Tim, that is very interesting. So you don't have the genetic type that Shoemaker says with cause chronic Lyme. BUT YOU STILL HAVE BORRELIA. I still can't wrap my head around this. I mean Shoemaker tested me and I do have the genetic tendency to not clear mold or toxins. But as long as you still have borrelia they will keep pumping out toxins, so what difference does it make what genotype you have? You have to find a way to get rid of the borrelia THEN NEXT take the Questran or whatever to clear the toxins. We can clean the barn til the cows come home, and then they will poop it up again. What am I missing here? a > > Yes Barb, I believe it's an HLA test. > > Tim > > P.S. I do have a positive Bowen test. How reliable do folks think that > is? > > Do you think he means 'tissue type' when he says genetics? > Barb > > > > > > a, > > > > > > I should also mention that Jemsek said that I do not have the > genetics to > > be susceptible to Lyme. > > > > > > Tim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 There's quite a bit of research data that points to certain symptoms linked to certain tissue types... and some tissue types are being linked to an easy propensity for the body to react to molecular mimicry (i.e. post infection autoimmune disporders). Barb > > > > a, > > > > > > I should also mention that Jemsek said that I do not have the > genetics to > > be susceptible to Lyme. > > > > > > Tim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 a, What you are missing is that nobody really knows what the hell they are doing! I said Jemsek said that I do not have the genes for Lyme infection. On the other hand, Shoemaker says I do have the genes for mold illness. I took a box of cholestyramine following Jemsek's abx protocol, but felt no different - not even constipation! I'm not sure whether to trust my positive Bowen test, or Crist's opinion either. Does Crist's 1500mg/day tetracycline challenge dose seem awfully high to you? That's 30 times higher than what Trevor Marshall would recommend. Tim Tim, that is very interesting. So you don't have the genetic type that Shoemaker says with cause chronic Lyme. BUT YOU STILL HAVE BORRELIA. I still can't wrap my head around this. I mean Shoemaker tested me and I do have the genetic tendency to not clear mold or toxins. But as long as you still have borrelia they will keep pumping out toxins, so what difference does it make what genotype you have? You have to find a way to get rid of the borrelia THEN NEXT take the Questran or whatever to clear the toxins. We can clean the barn til the cows come home, and then they will poop it up again.What am I missing here?a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Hey, Tim, I am not missing that. I am just being humble. <grin> I know what I don't know. TM's dose of tetracycline (minocycline) is absurdly low. Don't compare that to anyone else's protocol. Here's one more confusion for you. wrote on another email list that he has the Shoemaker genotype to NEVER clear mold or borrelia toxins, and yet he is perfectly healthy as long as he avoids toxic mold. Shoemaker says is the only patient he knows of who can do that. Someone is wrong. a > > a, > > What you are missing is that nobody really knows what the hell they are > doing! I said Jemsek said that I do not have the genes for Lyme > infection. On the other hand, Shoemaker says I do have the genes for mold > illness. I took a box of cholestyramine following Jemsek's abx protocol, > but felt no different - not even constipation! I'm not sure whether to > trust my positive Bowen test, or Crist's opinion either. Does Crist's > 1500mg/day tetracycline challenge dose seem awfully high to you? That's > 30 times higher than what Trevor Marshall would recommend. > > Tim > > Tim, that is very interesting. So you don't have the genetic type > that Shoemaker says with cause chronic Lyme. BUT YOU STILL HAVE > BORRELIA. I still can't wrap my head around this. I mean Shoemaker > tested me and I do have the genetic tendency to not clear mold or > toxins. > > But as long as you still have borrelia they will keep pumping out > toxins, so what difference does it make what genotype you have? You > have to find a way to get rid of the borrelia THEN NEXT take the > Questran or whatever to clear the toxins. We can clean the barn til > the cows come home, and then they will poop it up again. > > What am I missing here? > > a > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 > I said Jemsek said that I do not have the genes for Lyme infection. On the other hand, Shoemaker says I do have the genes for mold illness. If these are MHC types (ie, HLA types) - then in most illnesses they are risk factors, not absolute determinants. As in: having one of the HLA-DR XYZ alleles increases your risk of rheumatoid arthritis by 14- fold compared to those who don't have such an allele (made-up example). That doesn't mean people without such an allele can't still get rheumatoid arthritis. That's what's usual, as I said, for infectious and idiopathic diseases. I don't know what findings Shoemaker and Jemsek have or are referring to... it's certainly possible their findings might not fit the usual pattern. > I took a box of cholestyramine following Jemsek's abx protocol, but felt no different - not even constipation! I'm not sure whether to trust my positive Bowen test, or Crist's opinion either. Does Crist's 1500mg/day tetracycline challenge dose seem awfully high to you? That's 30 times higher than what Trevor Marshall would recommend. What evidence and what understanding is this latter recommendation based on? Personally, I don't find that that latter person really knows his biology very well. Here is from rxlist.com's page on tetracycline: " ADULTS: Usual daily dose, 1 to 2 grams divided in two or four equal doses, depending on the severity of the infection. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Also, I am pretty sure that daily dosages of tetracycline aren't comparable by weight to daily doses of minocycline or of doxycycline. I am not clear on why. It may be mostly because tetracycline has a shorter serum half-life. Or it might be lower bioavailability, or a mix of factors. > Does Crist's 1500mg/day tetracycline challenge dose seem awfully high to you? That's 30 times higher than what Trevor Marshall would recommend. > > > Well, Tim, I can't speak for Christ's protocol, but I can say that 50mg of any antibiotic per day sounds more far fetched than 1500mg when it comes to treating infection. > > penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is know. SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct. IMO- Marshall uses abx in a prophalatic manner - akin to how cystic fibrosis patients use Zith. The bugs are kept in colony form... thats not the same as killing them. If you have a chance read the Stratton paper " Dead Bugs don't Mutate " . http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol9no1/02-0172.htm Barb Tim wrote: Does Crist's 1500mg/day tetracycline challenge dose seem awfully high to you? That's 30 times higher than what Trevor Marshall would recommend. --- In infections , candtcampbell@... wrote: > > a, > > What you are missing is that nobody really knows what the hell they are > doing! I said Jemsek said that I do not have the genes for Lyme > infection. On the other hand, Shoemaker says I do have the genes for mold > illness. I took a box of cholestyramine following Jemsek's abx protocol, > but felt no different - not even constipation! I'm not sure whether to > trust my positive Bowen test, or Crist's opinion either. Does Crist's > 1500mg/day tetracycline challenge dose seem awfully high to you? That's > 30 times higher than what Trevor Marshall would recommend. > > Tim > > Tim, that is very interesting. So you don't have the genetic type > that Shoemaker says with cause chronic Lyme. BUT YOU STILL HAVE > BORRELIA. I still can't wrap my head around this. I mean Shoemaker > tested me and I do have the genetic tendency to not clear mold or > toxins. > > But as long as you still have borrelia they will keep pumping out > toxins, so what difference does it make what genotype you have? You > have to find a way to get rid of the borrelia THEN NEXT take the > Questran or whatever to clear the toxins. We can clean the barn til > the cows come home, and then they will poop it up again. > > What am I missing here? > > a > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 So what's happening with that protocol- Is there ANYONE that's be able to get off the tiny abx doses and stay improved for longer than 5 minutes? Barb > > > > a, > > > > What you are missing is that nobody really knows what the hell > > they are doing! I said Jemsek said that I do not have the genes > > for Lyme infection. On the other hand, Shoemaker says I do have > > the genes for mold illness. I took a box of cholestyramine > > following Jemsek's abx protocol, but felt no different - not even > > constipation! I'm not sure whether to trust my positive Bowen > > test, or Crist's opinion either. Does Crist's 1500mg/day > > tetracycline challenge dose seem awfully high to you? That's 30 > > times higher than what Trevor Marshall would recommend. > > > > Tim > > > > Tim, that is very interesting. So you don't have the genetic type > > that Shoemaker says with cause chronic Lyme. BUT YOU STILL HAVE > > BORRELIA. I still can't wrap my head around this. I mean Shoemaker > > tested me and I do have the genetic tendency to not clear mold or > > toxins. > > > > But as long as you still have borrelia they will keep pumping out > > toxins, so what difference does it make what genotype you have? You > > have to find a way to get rid of the borrelia THEN NEXT take the > > Questran or whatever to clear the toxins. We can clean the barn til > > the cows come home, and then they will poop it up again. > > > > What am I missing here? > > > > a > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 You're correct. Some drugs are dosed by kg of body weight- some are not... Dr.s have alot of leeway dosing- because they know a little more than the patient when it comes to absorption rates (with and without food) and/or bioavailability due to it being a second or 3rd generation drug or how it's metabolized. Although.. that said - I see plenty of Dr.s over-dosing people with Doxy .. therapuetic dose is 5 mg/Kg body weight - ABove that- you have a much higher chance of having toxic reactions- and DOxy's aren't very much fun. Barb > > > Also, I am pretty sure that daily dosages of tetracycline aren't > comparable by weight to daily doses of minocycline or of doxycycline. I > am not clear on why. It may be mostly because tetracycline has a > shorter serum half-life. Or it might be lower bioavailability, or a mix > of factors. > > > > Does Crist's 1500mg/day tetracycline challenge dose seem awfully > high to you? That's 30 times higher than what Trevor Marshall would > recommend. > > > > > > Well, Tim, I can't speak for Christ's protocol, but I can say that > 50mg of any antibiotic per day sounds more far fetched than 1500mg when > it comes to treating infection. > > > > penny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Yes, what Barb says is correct 1500 mg/day is the usual dose for tetracycline. Might there be a confusion here btwn tetracyline (the abx) and tetracycline the CLASS of abx (now usually called cyclines)? The main cyclines are tetracycline, doxycycline and minocycline, They are not used at the same doses. Tetracycline (the earlier cycline) is less bound to proteins and needs to be taken a) at higher doses (usually btwn 1500mg-2000mg) and more often (3 or 4 times a day). Doxy and mino stay in your system longer and need smaller doses to achieve similar effects (200-300mg for doxy, 100mg-200mg for mino). So 1500mg of tetracyline cannot be compared with 1500 mg of mino or doxy. Nelly [infections] Re:Lyme/genetics/Tim Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is know.SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 My messages are not getting through, so I am re-sending this one, sorry if you are getting double copies Nelly below is a message I sent about an hour ago: Yes, what Barb says is correct 1500 mg/day is the usual dose for tetracycline. Might there be a confusion here btwn tetracyline (the abx) and tetracycline the CLASS of abx (now usually called cyclines)? The main cyclines are tetracycline, doxycycline and minocycline, They are not used at the same doses. Tetracycline (the earlier cycline) is less bound to proteins and needs to be taken a) at higher doses (usually btwn 1500mg-2000mg) and more often (3 or 4 times a day). Doxy and mino stay in your system longer and need smaller doses to achieve similar effects (200-300mg for doxy, 100mg-200mg for mino). So 1500mg of tetracyline cannot be compared with 1500 mg of mino or doxy. Nelly [infections] Re:Lyme/genetics/Tim Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is know.SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Barb, this fits with my history - Zithromax at 500 mg a day for YEARS kept me at 80% recovery but with active borrelia whenever I went off it. We know I still had borrelia because I had antigen in urine with one week of Zithromax. So you don't think a combo of minocycline, Zithromax, clindy, Bactrim etc would eventually kill the borrelia? I don't know. My hunch is that nothing ever kills it all. a C. > > Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is know. > SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct. > > IMO- Marshall uses abx in a prophalatic manner - akin to how cystic > fibrosis patients use Zith. The bugs are kept in colony form... > thats not the same as killing them. > > If you have a chance read the Stratton paper " Dead Bugs don't Mutate " . > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol9no1/02-0172.htm > > Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 That's not all that true Nelly. As someone using antibiotics in clinical settings on a daily basis for many years feels strongly that the 2000 mg of tetracycline makes it a serious drug in treating infections as opposed to the prophylactic or otherwise use of the doxy and mino..He felt that the benefit of distribution of 10 times more drug was his driving influence over the small gains the others (doxy mino) may have in the petri dish. > > > Yes, what Barb says is correct 1500 mg/day is the usual dose for tetracycline. > > Might there be a confusion here btwn tetracyline (the abx) and tetracycline the CLASS of abx (now usually called cyclines)? > > The main cyclines are tetracycline, doxycycline and minocycline, They are not used at the same doses. Tetracycline (the earlier cycline) is less bound to proteins and needs to be taken a) at higher doses (usually btwn 1500mg-2000mg) and more often (3 or 4 times a day). > > Doxy and mino stay in your system longer and need smaller doses to achieve similar effects (200-300mg for doxy, 100mg-200mg for mino). > > So 1500mg of tetracyline cannot be compared with 1500 mg of mino or doxy. > > Nelly > [infections] Re:Lyme/genetics/Tim > > > Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is know. > SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Sometimes is slow to post. I don't know why, but it happens. pennyNelly Pointis <janel@...> wrote: My messages are not getting through, so I am re-sending this one, sorry if you are getting double copies Nelly below is a message I sent about an hour ago: Yes, what Barb says is correct 1500 mg/day is the usual dose for tetracycline. Might there be a confusion here btwn tetracyline (the abx) and tetracycline the CLASS of abx (now usually called cyclines)? The main cyclines are tetracycline, doxycycline and minocycline, They are not used at the same doses. Tetracycline (the earlier cycline) is less bound to proteins and needs to be taken a) at higher doses (usually btwn 1500mg-2000mg) and more often (3 or 4 times a day). Doxy and mino stay in your system longer and need smaller doses to achieve similar effects (200-300mg for doxy, 100mg-200mg for mino). So 1500mg of tetracyline cannot be compared with 1500 mg of mino or doxy. Nelly [infections] Re:Lyme/genetics/Tim Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is know.SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Dear : Nothing helped me.(including Vit D and A - or sunscreen - or even Zic oxide). Barb > > > > > > Also, I am pretty sure that daily dosages of tetracycline aren't > > comparable by weight to daily doses of minocycline or of > doxycycline. I > > am not clear on why. It may be mostly because tetracycline has a > > shorter serum half-life. Or it might be lower bioavailability, or a > mix > > of factors. > > > > > > > Does Crist's 1500mg/day tetracycline challenge dose seem > awfully > > high to you? That's 30 times higher than what Trevor Marshall would > > recommend. > > > > > > > > > Well, Tim, I can't speak for Christ's protocol, but I can say > that > > 50mg of any antibiotic per day sounds more far fetched than 1500mg > when > > it comes to treating infection. > > > > > > penny > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Tony.... Bone UP on your chemistry - Nelly (and I) are correct. In some drug classes- you cannnot directly compare dosages from first generation to second... And in my case.. Neither Doxy or Mino was used prophalactically... They were both used therapuetically... I never iused those stinkin low dose regime's for any abx chemical class (like the unmentionable protocol - that no one seems to have a status on..) Barb > > > > > > Yes, what Barb says is correct 1500 mg/day is the usual dose for > tetracycline. > > > > Might there be a confusion here btwn tetracyline (the abx) and > tetracycline the CLASS of abx (now usually called cyclines)? > > > > The main cyclines are tetracycline, doxycycline and minocycline, > They are not used at the same doses. Tetracycline (the earlier > cycline) is less bound to proteins and needs to be taken a) at higher > doses (usually btwn 1500mg-2000mg) and more often (3 or 4 times a > day). > > > > Doxy and mino stay in your system longer and need smaller doses to > achieve similar effects (200-300mg for doxy, 100mg-200mg for mino). > > > > So 1500mg of tetracyline cannot be compared with 1500 mg of mino or > doxy. > > > > Nelly > > [infections] Re:Lyme/genetics/Tim > > > > > > Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is > know. > > SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 What is not true, Tony? We are not talking in-vitro here, you can't pretend that cyclines can be compared gram per gram in vivo. They behave differently in-vivo and dosages have to be adjusted accordingly. BUT some people (dr Donta for eg) think you indeed have a better chance of hitting Lyme with TETRAcycline taken 4 times a day than with doxy or mino. I have no personal opinion Nelly [infections] Re:Lyme/genetics/Tim> > > Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is know.> SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 BArb' I'm just regurgitating stuff I read in a book written by possably an infectious disease doctor in the late seventies early eighties. Someone with 25 years clinical experience and the book is called chaemotherapy with antibiotics...It was his experiences that guided my comment. It also made sense as doxy and mino IV's are not truly hospital IV drugs, possably due to there failure to deliver, as opposed to the tetracycline-oxy tetracycline IV is an egs of something your likely to treat an infection with in the hospital setting.Your more likely to be IV'd with doxy and less likely mino in the alternative medical fields that try and treat q fever, bartonella and a host of other stuff without real success or placing a good finding on the correct offensive organism. tony > > > > > > > > > Yes, what Barb says is correct 1500 mg/day is the usual dose for > > tetracycline. > > > > > > Might there be a confusion here btwn tetracyline (the abx) and > > tetracycline the CLASS of abx (now usually called cyclines)? > > > > > > The main cyclines are tetracycline, doxycycline and minocycline, > > They are not used at the same doses. Tetracycline (the earlier > > cycline) is less bound to proteins and needs to be taken a) at > higher > > doses (usually btwn 1500mg-2000mg) and more often (3 or 4 times > a > > day). > > > > > > Doxy and mino stay in your system longer and need smaller doses > to > > achieve similar effects (200-300mg for doxy, 100mg-200mg for mino). > > > > > > So 1500mg of tetracyline cannot be compared with 1500 mg of mino > or > > doxy. > > > > > > Nelly > > > [infections] Re:Lyme/genetics/Tim > > > > > > > > > Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is > > know. > > > SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 This message (posted by me twice already today) has been returned undelivered. There is definitely a big problem with messages today, I am not getting any messages from I and I, and very, very few from other lists. Nelly Previous message: What is not true, Tony? We are not talking in-vitro here, you can't pretend that cyclines can be compared gram per gram in vivo. They behave differently in-vivo and dosages have to be adjusted accordingly. BUT some people (dr Donta for eg) think you indeed have a better chance of hitting Lyme with TETRAcycline taken 4 times a day than with doxy or mino. I have no personal opinion Nelly [infections] Re:Lyme/genetics/Tim> > > Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is know.> SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 I wote on this before but it did not appear. Nelly I was just quoting something I read in a book chaemotherapy with antibiotics. The book is just based on clinical experiences of resolving serious infections. I think you'll find that in most serious clinical settings tetracycline IV's are used- because when drugs were released like mino and doxy and made available to hospitals, there IV adminstration didn't get the desired outcomes.. This is in the book and is pretty obvious if you know the medical system. The mino and doxy IV's are mainly used in the non hospital setting for a poor diagnosis of bartonella, q fever or something in the alternative diagnosis corner of medicine.I noticed that an allergy specialist would adhoc adminster IV doxy. There was also another clinic which had a dozen comfy sofas that also did this alternative thing and administered mainly doxy as they told me mino had been discontinued.I found it more a little money making venture than an absolute kick ass infection eradication effort...I had gone between 2 centers to get IV vancomycin as both centers did only one IV per day and there hours were different enouhg for me to manage 2IV's a day. Now that I've written all that I'm not sure that I knew what I was answering. I know you and Barb like to get into the nitty gritty of some of these things as far as things go and there administration. I tend to be more open to close monitoring of what is going on in the hospital system by observing IV administration on visits and from pathologist friends..I mean, I also see the stuff in the literature and often never see anything resembling this written stuff in practise. > > > > > > Yes, what Barb says is correct 1500 mg/day is the usual dose for > tetracycline. > > > > Might there be a confusion here btwn tetracyline (the abx) and > tetracycline the CLASS of abx (now usually called cyclines)? > > > > The main cyclines are tetracycline, doxycycline and minocycline, > They are not used at the same doses. Tetracycline (the earlier > cycline) is less bound to proteins and needs to be taken a) at higher > doses (usually btwn 1500mg-2000mg) and more often (3 or 4 times a > day). > > > > Doxy and mino stay in your system longer and need smaller doses to > achieve similar effects (200-300mg for doxy, 100mg-200mg for mino). > > > > So 1500mg of tetracyline cannot be compared with 1500 mg of mino or > doxy. > > > > Nelly > > [infections] Re:Lyme/genetics/Tim > > > > > > Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is > know. > > SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 wheeew this post turned up..This is a completely weird posting week. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what Barb says is correct 1500 mg/day is the usual dose > for > > > tetracycline. > > > > > > > > Might there be a confusion here btwn tetracyline (the abx) and > > > tetracycline the CLASS of abx (now usually called cyclines)? > > > > > > > > The main cyclines are tetracycline, doxycycline and > minocycline, > > > They are not used at the same doses. Tetracycline (the earlier > > > cycline) is less bound to proteins and needs to be taken a) at > > higher > > > doses (usually btwn 1500mg-2000mg) and more often (3 or 4 > times > > a > > > day). > > > > > > > > Doxy and mino stay in your system longer and need smaller doses > > to > > > achieve similar effects (200-300mg for doxy, 100mg-200mg for > mino). > > > > > > > > So 1500mg of tetracyline cannot be compared with 1500 mg of > mino > > or > > > doxy. > > > > > > > > Nelly > > > > [infections] Re:Lyme/genetics/Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is > > > know. > > > > SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Nelly I was quoting my experiences with IV drugs adminstered in alternative practises.I sat across form a lady that had been diagnosed bartonella and she was just going thru the motions.Looking back I feel it's all a little game when people are administering IV's during office hours and once weekly or monthly. I know that many people write really bright accounts of how they treated this and did that, the same applies to the cfs literature- most of medicine thinks it's a limited six month thing and your fine- this is what much of the literature tells me about cfs.The other daily stuff in a hospital setting treating infections of the heart, joints, kidney and liver is a lot more what I read and tend to soak up.I just got a little down on the lida mattmans of this world.I don't think anyone would have a problem with someone diagnosing, watching , treating and following an eradication of an organism and a patient gaining there health. tony > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what Barb says is correct 1500 mg/day is the usual dose > for > > > tetracycline. > > > > > > > > Might there be a confusion here btwn tetracyline (the abx) and > > > tetracycline the CLASS of abx (now usually called cyclines)? > > > > > > > > The main cyclines are tetracycline, doxycycline and > minocycline, > > > They are not used at the same doses. Tetracycline (the earlier > > > cycline) is less bound to proteins and needs to be taken a) at > > higher > > > doses (usually btwn 1500mg-2000mg) and more often (3 or 4 > times > > a > > > day). > > > > > > > > Doxy and mino stay in your system longer and need smaller doses > > to > > > achieve similar effects (200-300mg for doxy, 100mg-200mg for > mino). > > > > > > > > So 1500mg of tetracyline cannot be compared with 1500 mg of > mino > > or > > > doxy. > > > > > > > > Nelly > > > > [infections] Re:Lyme/genetics/Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete is > > > know. > > > > SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 I see your point. This is a beef acquired infection that was first diagnosed in queensland if I recall correctly. Your also observing a serious approach as opposed to my egs. of a half assed approach by a doctor/s that's shunned by his mainstream peers. These studies are very good examples of serious treatments but still lack GRUNT AND CONVICTION to the patients by not exploring the use of IV drugs for what seems so LIFE THREATENING.I wouldn't think endocarditis with coxsella bacteria deserves anything less than optimal therapy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what Barb says is correct 1500 mg/day is the usual > dose > > for > > > > tetracycline. > > > > > > > > > > Might there be a confusion here btwn tetracyline (the abx) > and > > > > tetracycline the CLASS of abx (now usually called cyclines)? > > > > > > > > > > The main cyclines are tetracycline, doxycycline and > > minocycline, > > > > They are not used at the same doses. Tetracycline (the > earlier > > > > cycline) is less bound to proteins and needs to be taken a) > at > > > higher > > > > doses (usually btwn 1500mg-2000mg) and more often (3 or 4 > > times > > > a > > > > day). > > > > > > > > > > Doxy and mino stay in your system longer and need smaller > doses > > > to > > > > achieve similar effects (200-300mg for doxy, 100mg-200mg for > > mino). > > > > > > > > > > So 1500mg of tetracyline cannot be compared with 1500 mg of > > mino > > > or > > > > doxy. > > > > > > > > > > Nelly > > > > > [infections] Re:Lyme/genetics/Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tetracyclines therapuetic dose to kill the Lyme Spirochete > is > > > > know. > > > > > SO.. Crist's 1500 mg/day is correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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