Re: Virus may be the cause of mad cow

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this is very interesting to me as my Mom had Creutzfeldt-Jakob

disease, and now i have CFS. when i first got sick i thought i had

what my mother had.

i never bought the misfolded protein theory for the disease. i mean

how could a protein be infectious....

also, in addition to mycoplasmas, let's not forget Dr -

the much maligned virologist who believes that there are novel

viruses called " stealth viruses " at the root of many of these

diseases.

a few years back he offered a stealth virus culture for patients with

among other conditions CFS. i had the culture done and was strongly

positive.

thanks

bill

>

> For those who have read Dr. Lo's studies of mycoplasma incognitus

this

> " virus -like particle " is exactly the words Lo used to describe

mycoplasma

> before he knew it was a cell wall deficient bacteria. I thought

some might

> be interested in this study headed by Dr. idis at Yale.

> - a Carnes, Las Vegas, NV

>

> _____

>

> http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-

prion31jan31,0,150653.story?coll=

> la-home-headlines

>

>

> Virus may be the cause of mad cow

>

> A study disputes the theory that deformed proteins are to blame for

the

> brain disease.

> By Jia-Rui Chong

> Times Staff Writer

>

> January 31, 2007

>

> Mad cow disease and other related brain disorders may be caused by

a virus

> and not the weird, misshapen proteins, known as prions, that

scientists

> think are responsible, according to a study released Monday.

>

> Researchers reported that they found virus-like particles in mouse

nerve

> cells infected with two brain-wasting diseases similar to mad cow

disease,

> but found no traces of the particles in uninfected cells.

>

> Lead author Dr. idis, a neuropathologist at Yale

University,

> said the finding suggested that prions in infected brains were the

result of

> a viral infection and not the cause of the disease.

>

> " We found something that people have been ignoring, " idis

said of the

> virus particles. " What we hypothesize is the simplest, most

parsimonious

> point of view. "

>

> Several brain researchers were skeptical about idis' findings,

> published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

>

> " It's very remarkable that we only see these particles after

infection of

> these cells, " said Bob Rohwer, director of the Molecular

Neurovirology

> Laboratory at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Baltimore, who

was not

> involved in the study. " But the evidence that they are in fact the

> infectious agent responsible is still highly circumstantial. "

>

> Mad cow disease, known formally as bovine spongiform

encephalopathy, is a

> cattle disease that destroys brain tissue by causing abnormal

tangles of

> protein fibers and creating microscopic holes in the brain.

>

> It is part of a family of slow-developing brain diseases, including

scrapie

> in sheep and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans. Human infection

in recent

> years has been connected to eating infected meat. There have been

dozens of

> fatalities over the years.

>

> The prion theory of mad cow disease proposes that a normal protein

> spontaneously misfolds, starting a cascade of abnormal changes in

other

> proteins.

>

> In idis' previous experiments, prions did not appear until

late in the

> progression of spongy brain diseases.

>

> To find what appears at an earlier phase, idis' team

homogenized mouse

> brains infected with scrapie and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and

injected them

> into nerve cell cultures.

>

> The only new objects were dense spheres that looked like small

viruses, she

> said.

>

> She later added a compound to spur the growth of prions about

fivefold to

> see if that would increase the level of infection. The level did

not show a

> significant increase, suggesting that prions were not the active

agent of

> infection, she said.

>

> To prove that the virus-like particles are solely responsible for

the

> infection, idis plans to isolate the particles and see if

they can

> start an infection when injected into healthy cells.

>

> *

>

>

> _____

>

> jia-rui.chong@...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is interesting. Let's hope they find something conclusive and let's hope they don't ignore bacteria just because it's easy to miss. pennya Carnes <pj7@...> wrote: For those who have read Dr. Lo's studies of mycoplasma incognitus this "virus -like particle" is exactly the words Lo used to describe mycoplasma before he knew it was a cell wall deficient bacteria. I thought some might be interested in this study

headed by Dr. idis at Yale. - a Carnes, Las Vegas, NV http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-prion31jan31,0,150653.story?coll=la-home-headlines Virus may be the cause of mad cow A study disputes the theory that deformed proteins are to blame for the brain disease.By Jia-Rui ChongTimes Staff WriterJanuary 31, 2007Mad cow disease and other related brain disorders may be caused by a virus and not the weird, misshapen proteins, known as prions, that scientists think are responsible, according to a study released

Monday.Researchers reported that they found virus-like particles in mouse nerve cells infected with two brain-wasting diseases similar to mad cow disease, but found no traces of the particles in uninfected cells.Lead author Dr. idis, a neuropathologist at Yale University, said the finding suggested that prions in infected brains were the result of a viral infection and not the cause of the disease."We found something that people have been ignoring," idis said of the virus particles. "What we hypothesize is the simplest, most parsimonious point of view."Several brain researchers were skeptical about idis' findings, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences."It's very remarkable that we only see these particles after infection of these cells," said Bob Rohwer, director of the Molecular Neurovirology Laboratory at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Baltimore, who was not involved in the

study. "But the evidence that they are in fact the infectious agent responsible is still highly circumstantial."Mad cow disease, known formally as bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is a cattle disease that destroys brain tissue by causing abnormal tangles of protein fibers and creating microscopic holes in the brain.It is part of a family of slow-developing brain diseases, including scrapie in sheep and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans. Human infection in recent years has been connected to eating infected meat. There have been dozens of fatalities over the years.The prion theory of mad cow disease proposes that a normal protein spontaneously misfolds, starting a cascade of abnormal changes in other proteins.In idis' previous experiments, prions did not appear until late in the progression of spongy brain diseases.To find what appears at an earlier phase, idis' team homogenized mouse brains infected with

scrapie and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and injected them into nerve cell cultures.The only new objects were dense spheres that looked like small viruses, she said.She later added a compound to spur the growth of prions about fivefold to see if that would increase the level of infection. The level did not show a significant increase, suggesting that prions were not the active agent of infection, she said.To prove that the virus-like particles are solely responsible for the infection, idis plans to isolate the particles and see if they can start an infection when injected into healthy cells.* jia-rui.chonglatimes

[Guest guest]

Interesting thart the wheel sems to have turned a full circle., such diseases were originally ascribed to "slow viruses" some time in the early 1950's .

Regards

R

[infections] Virus may be the cause of mad cow

For those who have read Dr. Lo's studies of mycoplasma incognitus this "virus -like particle" is exactly the words Lo used to describe mycoplasma before he knew it was a cell wall deficient bacteria. I thought some might be interested in this study headed by Dr. idis at Yale.

- a Carnes, Las Vegas, NV

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-prion31jan31,0,150653.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Virus may be the cause of mad cow

A study disputes the theory that deformed proteins are to blame for the brain disease.By Jia-Rui ChongTimes Staff WriterJanuary 31, 2007Mad cow disease and other related brain disorders may be caused by a virus and not the weird, misshapen proteins, known as prions, that scientists think are responsible, according to a study released Monday.Researchers reported that they found virus-like particles in mouse nerve cells infected with two brain-wasting diseases similar to mad cow disease, but found no traces of the particles in uninfected cells.Lead author Dr. idis, a neuropathologist at Yale University, said the finding suggested that prions in infected brains were the result of a viral infection and not the cause of the disease."We found something that people have been ignoring," idis said of the virus particles. "What we hypothesize is the simplest, most parsimonious point of view."Several brain researchers were skeptical about idis' findings, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences."It's very remarkable that we only see these particles after infection of these cells," said Bob Rohwer, director of the Molecular Neurovirology Laboratory at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Baltimore, who was not involved in the study. "But the evidence that they are in fact the infectious agent responsible is still highly circumstantial."Mad cow disease, known formally as bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is a cattle disease that destroys brain tissue by causing abnormal tangles of protein fibers and creating microscopic holes in the brain.It is part of a family of slow-developing brain diseases, including scrapie in sheep and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans. Human infection in recent years has been connected to eating infected meat. There have been dozens of fatalities over the years.The prion theory of mad cow disease proposes that a normal protein spontaneously misfolds, starting a cascade of abnormal changes in other proteins.In idis' previous experiments, prions did not appear until late in the progression of spongy brain diseases.To find what appears at an earlier phase, idis' team homogenized mouse brains infected with scrapie and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and injected them into nerve cell cultures.The only new objects were dense spheres that looked like small viruses, she said.She later added a compound to spur the growth of prions about fivefold to see if that would increase the level of infection. The level did not show a significant increase, suggesting that prions were not the active agent of infection, she said.To prove that the virus-like particles are solely responsible for the infection, idis plans to isolate the particles and see if they can start an infection when injected into healthy cells.*

jia-rui.chonglatimes

[Guest guest]

There was a case of a woman with CJD keeping herself alive with hyperbaric oxygen treatments. This would make sense if the disease was caused by a pathogen as the oxygen can kill pathogens

[infections] Virus may be the cause of mad cow

For those who have read Dr. Lo's studies of mycoplasma incognitus this "virus -like particle" is exactly the words Lo used to describe mycoplasma before he knew it was a cell wall deficient bacteria. I thought some might be interested in this study headed by Dr. idis at Yale.

- a Carnes, Las Vegas, NV

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-prion31jan31,0,150653.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Virus may be the cause of mad cow

A study disputes the theory that deformed proteins are to blame for the brain disease.By Jia-Rui ChongTimes Staff WriterJanuary 31, 2007Mad cow disease and other related brain disorders may be caused by a virus and not the weird, misshapen proteins, known as prions, that scientists think are responsible, according to a study released Monday.Researchers reported that they found virus-like particles in mouse nerve cells infected with two brain-wasting diseases similar to mad cow disease, but found no traces of the particles in uninfected cells.Lead author Dr. idis, a neuropathologist at Yale University, said the finding suggested that prions in infected brains were the result of a viral infection and not the cause of the disease."We found something that people have been ignoring," idis said of the virus particles. "What we hypothesize is the simplest, most parsimonious point of view."Several brain researchers were skeptical about idis' findings, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences."It's very remarkable that we only see these particles after infection of these cells," said Bob Rohwer, director of the Molecular Neurovirology Laboratory at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Baltimore, who was not involved in the study. "But the evidence that they are in fact the infectious agent responsible is still highly circumstantial."Mad cow disease, known formally as bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is a cattle disease that destroys brain tissue by causing abnormal tangles of protein fibers and creating microscopic holes in the brain.It is part of a family of slow-developing brain diseases, including scrapie in sheep and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans. Human infection in recent years has been connected to eating infected meat. There have been dozens of fatalities over the years.The prion theory of mad cow disease proposes that a normal protein spontaneously misfolds, starting a cascade of abnormal changes in other proteins.In idis' previous experiments, prions did not appear until late in the progression of spongy brain diseases.To find what appears at an earlier phase, idis' team homogenized mouse brains infected with scrapie and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and injected them into nerve cell cultures.The only new objects were dense spheres that looked like small viruses, she said.She later added a compound to spur the growth of prions about fivefold to see if that would increase the level of infection. The level did not show a significant increase, suggesting that prions were not the active agent of infection, she said.To prove that the virus-like particles are solely responsible for the infection, idis plans to isolate the particles and see if they can start an infection when injected into healthy cells.*

jia-rui.chonglatimes