Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Rich, tangential to the info you provided... I've seen, in the Crohn's etiology literature, reference to an " elemental diet. " Apparantly this means some sort of a fairly well-defined liquid diet. I didn't read anything quantitative about the effectiveness of the elemental diet, but some degree of effectiveness was implied by the paper I read. > > Hi, all. > > This may be difficult to believe, but there are nonprescription > remedies for Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis that are very > effective. I know people personally who have been helped by them. One > was my father-in-law, who had suffered from Crohn's disease for 25 > years and got very fast relief. > > They were discovered by Gregg, Ph.D., and you can read about them > here: > > http://www.krysalis.net/crohn.htm > > I know , and the emails on his site are genuine. Another part of > his site lists Crohn's testimonials, and these are also genuine. He > has found that all the cases of Crohn's disease he has encountered have > been put into remission by one or another of the four remedies he found. > > The four remedies are DMSO, melatonin, porcine duodenum powder, or > Elaine Gotschall's specific carbohydrate diet. supplies the > porcine duodenum powder because there was no other supplier. He does > not sell the others. He's not in this for the money. > > When DMSO works for a case of Crohn's disease, it works within an > hour. People who have been debilitated for many years have gotten > relief starting in less than one hour. > > Rich > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 You see how this is my frustration .. People have cells that respond to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by controlling the problem instead of an all out assault- you keep the money flowing. Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything anymore that may fix a problem they provide management drugs and rich just showed us how simple eating management strategies can overcome the need for pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand that many on these lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative Colitis to undiagnosed CHROHN " s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS.. It's surprising how much massive inflammation is in the gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these ilnesses and how many people have had sections of intestine removed and on and on. tony > > > > Hi, all. > > > > This may be difficult to believe, but there are nonprescription > > remedies for Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis that are very > > effective. I know people personally who have been helped by them. > One > > was my father-in-law, who had suffered from Crohn's disease for 25 > > years and got very fast relief. > > > > They were discovered by Gregg, Ph.D., and you can read about > them > > here: > > > > http://www.krysalis.net/crohn.htm > > > > I know , and the emails on his site are genuine. Another part > of > > his site lists Crohn's testimonials, and these are also genuine. > He > > has found that all the cases of Crohn's disease he has encountered > have > > been put into remission by one or another of the four remedies he > found. > > > > The four remedies are DMSO, melatonin, porcine duodenum powder, or > > Elaine Gotschall's specific carbohydrate diet. supplies the > > porcine duodenum powder because there was no other supplier. He > does > > not sell the others. He's not in this for the money. > > > > When DMSO works for a case of Crohn's disease, it works within an > > hour. People who have been debilitated for many years have gotten > > relief starting in less than one hour. > > > > Rich > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 > > The four remedies are DMSO, melatonin, porcine duodenum powder, or > Elaine Gotschall's specific carbohydrate diet. supplies the > porcine duodenum powder because there was no other supplier. He does > not sell the others. He's not in this for the money. > > When DMSO works for a case of Crohn's disease, it works within an > hour. People who have been debilitated for many years have gotten > relief starting in less than one hour. > > Rich Tried DMSO; nothing. I've been on the SCDiet for 3.5 years. Haven't done the melatonin or porcine duodenem powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Hi, Deborah. O.K. Sorry that the first two didn't work. I encourage you to try the other two, and I sincerely hope that one of them works for you. Rich > > > > > The four remedies are DMSO, melatonin, porcine duodenum powder, or > > Elaine Gotschall's specific carbohydrate diet. supplies the > > porcine duodenum powder because there was no other supplier. He does > > not sell the others. He's not in this for the money. > > > > When DMSO works for a case of Crohn's disease, it works within an > > hour. People who have been debilitated for many years have gotten > > relief starting in less than one hour. > > > > Rich > > Tried DMSO; nothing. I've been on the SCDiet for 3.5 years. Haven't > done the melatonin or porcine duodenem powder. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Hi, Tony. I'm sorry about your frustration. I understand that there are massive problems in the gut in many people. My father-in-law was one of them. Surgery usually isn't very helpful in the long term in Crohn's, because the problem just moves to another section of the gut. I'm not convinced that antibiotics have turned out so well, either. All you have to do is witness one case of rapid remission of Crohn's using one of the four remedies Gregg has found, and you become a believer. People have gotten their lives back. I'm serious. Rich > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People have cells that respond > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by controlling the > problem instead of an all out assault- you keep the money flowing. > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything anymore that may fix a > problem they provide management drugs and rich just showed us how > simple eating management strategies can overcome the need for > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand that many on these > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative Colitis to undiagnosed > CHROHN " s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS.. > It's surprising how much massive inflammation is in the > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these ilnesses and how many > people have had sections of intestine removed and on and on. > tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Mate you are a classic case of a fukwit.Do you realise that the major success drug in crohns is sulphasalazine(spelling/ pronunciation). This drug, or metranidazole, or steroids, are the bang for the buck therapy.. along you come and swear black and blue that we need to take soft cock supplements and watch what we eat- and we are cured!! Just to give people a tip, sulphasalazine is similar in chemical classes as bactrim or seftin, but as ususal the other soft cocks will tell us that it's working against inflammation not infection as we may think..( this seems to be the theory when we get a positive response from drugs for some reason).. Mate go FFFFF yourself and learn how infections and the body don't mix and stop preaching to us ill people that we DON " T HAVE AN INFECTION, yet in your eyes we are suffering from a genetic mutatution. Sorry for the harshness, but I just hate people assuming we don't know what's wrong with us. > > > > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People have cells that > respond > > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by controlling the > > problem instead of an all out assault- you keep the money flowing. > > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything anymore that may fix > a > > problem they provide management drugs and rich just showed us how > > simple eating management strategies can overcome the need for > > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand that many on these > > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative Colitis to undiagnosed > > CHROHN " s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS.. > > It's surprising how much massive inflammation is in the > > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these ilnesses and how > many > > people have had sections of intestine removed and on and on. > > tony > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 > > > > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People have cells that > respond > > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by controlling the > > problem instead of an all out assault- you keep the money flowing. > > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything anymore that may fix > a > > problem they provide management drugs and rich just showed us how > > simple eating management strategies can overcome the need for > > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand that many on these > > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative Colitis to undiagnosed > > CHROHN " s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS.. > > It's surprising how much massive inflammation is in the > > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these ilnesses and how > many > > people have had sections of intestine removed and on and on. > > tony > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Can you give me your address and I'll send you my book on IBS / crohn's/ulcerative colitis.I'm not ecxstatic about the surgery myself and it really sounds like the dioctors and surgeons are dumb FUKSSSS like yourself when they don't get how INFECTION LEADS TO INFLAMMATION AND YOU THE PATIENT ARE UNWELL DUE TO THIS CONDITION!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People have cells that > respond > > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by controlling the > > problem instead of an all out assault- you keep the money flowing. > > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything anymore that may fix > a > > problem they provide management drugs and rich just showed us how > > simple eating management strategies can overcome the need for > > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand that many on these > > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative Colitis to undiagnosed > > CHROHN " s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS.. > > It's surprising how much massive inflammation is in the > > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these ilnesses and how > many > > people have had sections of intestine removed and on and on. > > tony > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Hi, Tony. Yes, I'll give you my address. Just don't send a hit man after me!(:-) I'll be happy to read your book, and if you send your address along with it, I might send some bedtime reading back to you! (:-) My address is Rich Van Konynenburg, 444 Ontario Drive, Livermore, CA 94550 USA. Rich > > Can you give me your address and I'll send you my book on IBS / > crohn's/ulcerative colitis.I'm not ecxstatic about the surgery myself > and it really sounds like the dioctors and surgeons are dumb FUKSSSS > like yourself when they don't get how INFECTION LEADS TO INFLAMMATION > AND YOU THE PATIENT ARE UNWELL DUE TO THIS CONDITION!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Hi, Tony. Yes, I'm familiar with sulfasalazine and the steroid treatments for Crohn's. Most of the people who eventually tried Gregg's treatments, including my father-in-law, had been having them prescribed for them for years, and they were still in bad shape. The best thing I can say is that the proof is in the pudding. If people with Crohn's are not satisfied with what the drugs are doing, they can just give these remedies a try and see what happens. They aren't very costly. Best regards, Rich > > Mate you are a classic case of a fukwit.Do you realise that the major > success drug in crohns is sulphasalazine(spelling/ pronunciation). > This drug, or metranidazole, or steroids, are the bang for the buck > therapy.. along you come and swear black and blue that we need to > take soft cock supplements and watch what we eat- and we are cured!! > Just to give people a tip, sulphasalazine is similar in chemical > classes as bactrim or seftin, but as ususal the other soft cocks will > tell us that it's working against inflammation not infection as we > may think..( this seems to be the theory when we get a positive > response from drugs for some reason).. > Mate go FFFFF yourself and learn how infections and the body don't > mix and stop preaching to us ill people that we DON " T HAVE AN > INFECTION, yet in your eyes we are suffering from a genetic > mutatution. > Sorry for the harshness, but I just hate people assuming we don't > know what's wrong with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Tony. I'm sorry for your harshness too. It's uncalled for. And just after I said we don't advocate censorship you have to do this. I understand the frustration, but seriously, you should know better. :-( penny dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: Mate you are a classic case of a fukwit.Do you realise that the major success drug in crohns is sulphasalazine(spelling/ pronunciation). This drug, or metranidazole, or steroids, are the bang for the buck therapy.. along you come and swear black and blue that we need to take soft cock supplements and watch what we eat- and we are cured!!Just to give people a tip, sulphasalazine is similar in chemical classes as bactrim or seftin, but as ususal the other soft cocks will tell us that it's working against inflammation not infection as we may think..( this seems to be the theory when we get a positive response from drugs for some reason)..Mate go FFFFF yourself and learn how infections and the body don't mix and stop preaching to us ill people that we DON"T HAVE AN INFECTION, yet in your eyes we are suffering from a genetic mutatution.Sorry for the harshness, but I just hate people assuming we don't know what's wrong with us.> >> > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People have cells that > respond > > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by controlling the > > problem instead of an all out assault- you keep the money flowing. > > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything anymore that may fix > a > > problem they provide management drugs and rich just showed us how > > simple eating management strategies can overcome the need for > > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand that many on these > > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative Colitis to undiagnosed > > CHROHN"s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS..> > It's surprising how much massive inflammation is in the > > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these ilnesses and how > many > > people have had sections of intestine removed and on and on.> > tony> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Penny You try winning battles in medicine when you've got your number one know it all keeps coming at ya with this absolutely simplistic view of how everythings NOT AN INFECTION. You just got the facts from the previous poster on how 2 to 5 years of serious drug therapy cures crohns in 25% of people.THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING AFTER INFECTIONS. I KNOW THAT IF I PLAY WITH MY INFECTION BY DEPRIVING IT I'LL DO BETTER!!! SO THIS IS MY PROBLEM I NEED THE SCIENTISTS TO STOP PLUGGING HOLES BUT TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROBLEM.THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE!!!DO YOU NO HOW UGLY IT IS TO HAVE YOUR ARSEHOLE CUT OUT..THE CRAPPY SURGERIES THAT THESE POOR PEOPLE ENDURE- AND IT'S NOT FIXING ANYTHING!!! JUST BYPASSING.I ALSO STRONGLY FEEL THAT IF YOU USED STREPTOMYCIN INSTEAD OF THE RIFAMPIN YOU'D BOOST THE NUMBERS TO POSSABLY 50% CURED. > > > > > > > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People have cells that > > respond > > > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by controlling the > > > problem instead of an all out assault- you keep the money > flowing. > > > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything anymore that may > fix > > a > > > problem they provide management drugs and rich just showed us how > > > simple eating management strategies can overcome the need for > > > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand that many on these > > > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative Colitis to > undiagnosed > > > CHROHN " s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS.. > > > It's surprising how much massive inflammation is in the > > > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these ilnesses and how > > many > > > people have had sections of intestine removed and on and on. > > > tony > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Penny Another thought. They control kids epilepsy with diet. How exciting can it get to tell people constantly to eat candida style not to feed the beasties. It would be so much better to get some solid background on what is ailing you IMO.You realise how many cells are involved in making you ill? Your actually swimming in them and they out number your actual body cells and no-ones looking. Another classic case on our own forum recently is paula carnes. If you go back six months before she did the penicillin I was actually telling her to try penicillin and make sure she got enough to repair her problem, not to push it back.SHE DID EVERYTHING ELSE EVERYONE TOLD HER TO DO, BASICALLY BECAUSE NO HARM WOULD COME, YET SHE HIT IT ON THE HEAD WITH PENICILLIN.IF YOU NOTICE THIS IS JUST WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE WITH MOST. To make matters more frustrating some of the natural remedy posters on experimental actually tell how there symptoms improve dramatically on antibiotics yet it must be some immune modulator that's taking place it can't be an infection because they don't have one. so freakin rediculous this whole ordeal. what can I say. tony > > > > > > > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People have cells that > > respond > > > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by controlling the > > > problem instead of an all out assault- you keep the money > flowing. > > > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything anymore that may > fix > > a > > > problem they provide management drugs and rich just showed us how > > > simple eating management strategies can overcome the need for > > > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand that many on these > > > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative Colitis to > undiagnosed > > > CHROHN " s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS.. > > > It's surprising how much massive inflammation is in the > > > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these ilnesses and how > > many > > > people have had sections of intestine removed and on and on. > > > tony > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 --- Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote: > Tony. I'm sorry for your harshness too. It's > uncalled for. And just after I said we don't > advocate censorship you have to do this. I > understand the frustration, but seriously, you > should know better. :-( > > penny > > > > dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: > Mate you are a classic case of a fukwit.Do > you realise that the major > success drug in crohns is sulphasalazine(spelling/ > pronunciation). > This drug, or metranidazole, or steroids, are the > bang for the buck > therapy.. along you come and swear black and blue > that we need to > take soft cock supplements and watch what we eat- > and we are cured!! > Just to give people a tip, sulphasalazine is similar > in chemical > classes as bactrim or seftin, but as ususal the > other soft cocks will > tell us that it's working against inflammation not > infection as we > may think..( this seems to be the theory when we get > a positive > response from drugs for some reason).. > Mate go FFFFF yourself and learn how infections and > the body don't > mix and stop preaching to us ill people that we > DON " T HAVE AN > INFECTION, yet in your eyes we are suffering from a > genetic > mutatution. > Sorry for the harshness, but I just hate people > assuming we don't > know what's wrong with us. > > > > > > > > > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People > have cells that > > respond > > > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by > controlling the > > > problem instead of an all out assault- you keep > the money > flowing. > > > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything > anymore that may > fix > > a > > > problem they provide management drugs and rich > just showed us how > > > simple eating management strategies can overcome > the need for > > > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand > that many on these > > > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative > Colitis to > undiagnosed > > > CHROHN " s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS.. > > > It's surprising how much massive inflammation is > in the > > > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these > ilnesses and how > > many > > > people have had sections of intestine removed > and on and on. > > > tony > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. http://autos./green_center/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Tony, I totally understand this. I just don't think it helps bring anyone around to your point of view when you call them eff-wits, etc. I understand that it does often take people who are willing to rattle cages and piss people off, to effect change, but you've got to be smart about it. Otherwise, no one listens at all. Disagree all you want, but it's just common courtesy to not call people names. People will definitelly not participate here if they see that kind of stuff going on. pennydumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: PennyYou try winning battles in medicine when you've got your number one know it all keeps coming at ya with this absolutely simplistic view of how everythings NOT AN INFECTION. You just got the facts from the previous poster on how 2 to 5 years of serious drug therapy cures crohns in 25% of people.THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING AFTER INFECTIONS. I KNOW THAT IF I PLAY WITH MY INFECTION BY DEPRIVING IT I'LL DO BETTER!!! SO THIS IS MY PROBLEM I NEED THE SCIENTISTS TO STOP PLUGGING HOLES BUT TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROBLEM.THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE!!!DO YOU NO HOW UGLY IT IS TO HAVE YOUR ARSEHOLE CUT OUT..THE CRAPPY SURGERIES THAT THESE POOR PEOPLE ENDURE- AND IT'S NOT FIXING ANYTHING!!! JUST BYPASSING.I ALSO STRONGLY FEEL THAT IF YOU USED STREPTOMYCIN INSTEAD OF THE RIFAMPIN YOU'D BOOST THE NUMBERS TO POSSABLY 50% CURED.--- In infections , Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote:>> Tony. I'm sorry for your harshness too. It's uncalled for. And just after I said we don't advocate censorship you have to do this. I understand the frustration, but seriously, you should know better. :-(> > penny> > > > dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote:> Mate you are a classic case of a fukwit.Do you realise that the major > success drug in crohns is sulphasalazine(spelling/ pronunciation). > This drug, or metranidazole, or steroids, are the bang for the buck > therapy.. along you come and swear black and blue that we need to > take soft cock supplements and watch what we eat- and we are cured!!> Just to give people a tip, sulphasalazine is similar in chemical > classes as bactrim or seftin, but as ususal the other soft cocks will > tell us that it's working against inflammation not infection as we > may think..( this seems to be the theory when we get a positive > response from drugs for some reason)..> Mate go FFFFF yourself and learn how infections and the body don't > mix and stop preaching to us ill people that we DON"T HAVE AN > INFECTION, yet in your eyes we are suffering from a genetic > mutatution.> Sorry for the harshness, but I just hate people assuming we don't > know what's wrong with us.> > > > >> > > > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People have cells that > > respond > > > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by controlling the > > > problem instead of an all out assault- you keep the money > flowing. > > > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything anymore that may > fix > > a > > > problem they provide management drugs and rich just showed us how > > > simple eating management strategies can overcome the need for > > > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand that many on these > > > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative Colitis to > undiagnosed > > > CHROHN"s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS..> > > It's surprising how much massive inflammation is in the > > > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these ilnesses and how > > many > > > people have had sections of intestine removed and on and on.> > > tony> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Yeah, I agree with you there. Pretty frustrating that people don't realize that these organisms need really serious treatment if there's even a chance of beating them. pennydumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: PennyAnother thought. They control kids epilepsy with diet. How exciting can it get to tell people constantly to eat candida style not to feed the beasties. It would be so much better to get some solid background on what is ailing you IMO.You realise how many cells are involved in making you ill? Your actually swimming in them and they out number your actual body cells and no-ones looking.Another classic case on our own forum recently is paula carnes. If you go back six months before she did the penicillin I was actually telling her to try penicillin and make sure she got enough to repair her problem, not to push it back.SHE DID EVERYTHING ELSE EVERYONE TOLD HER TO DO, BASICALLY BECAUSE NO HARM WOULD COME, YET SHE HIT IT ON THE HEAD WITH PENICILLIN.IF YOU NOTICE THIS IS JUST WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE WITH MOST. To make matters more frustrating some of the natural remedy posters on experimental actually tell how there symptoms improve dramatically on antibiotics yet it must be some immune modulator that's taking place it can't be an infection because they don't have one.so freakin rediculous this whole ordeal. what can I say.tony> > >> > > > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People have cells that > > respond > > > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by controlling the > > > problem instead of an all out assault- you keep the money > flowing. > > > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything anymore that may > fix > > a > > > problem they provide management drugs and rich just showed us how > > > simple eating management strategies can overcome the need for > > > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand that many on these > > > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative Colitis to > undiagnosed > > > CHROHN"s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS..> > > It's surprising how much massive inflammation is in the > > > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these ilnesses and how > > many > > > people have had sections of intestine removed and on and on.> > > tony> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Penny What you don't realise is that crohns and ulcerative colitis more often than not lead to surgery and a pouch for gathering your number 2's. MY moment of madness stems from the truly UGLY SIDE of these ilnesses.....When you have these conditions your more likely to end up as prey to a surgeon who's constantly cutting out inflammation. And wait there's more, the guy has to go in and repair your wounds because you didn't heal six months after the surgery. AND THE DRUGS WITH MOST EFFICACY ARE A SULPHA DRUG SIMILAR TO BACTRIM AND FLAGYL AND STEROIDS - your having your arsehole cut out by some arsehole that doesn't get it that you have an INFECTION- how much more does this scream out you got bad bugs there.You then get a 2 to 5 year drug course as a possable way to eradicate this infection which keeps responding to sulphasalazine originally known to help with arthritis..also how surprisingly bactrim keeps coming back and offering help with all my culture results on over 100 cfs patients.also surprisingly one of the main stay therapies on the MP..We need science guided drugs not go off and do this for nine months.No-one can afford the continual build up of scar tissue and ischemic tissue IMO, which drives my dilemma when I'm fed another softly, softly, approach when these ilnesses are so ugly. > > > > > > > > > > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People have cells that > > > respond > > > > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by controlling the > > > > problem instead of an all out assault- you keep the money > > flowing. > > > > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything anymore that may > > fix > > > a > > > > problem they provide management drugs and rich just showed us > how > > > > simple eating management strategies can overcome the need for > > > > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand that many on > these > > > > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative Colitis to > > undiagnosed > > > > CHROHN " s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS.. > > > > It's surprising how much massive inflammation is in the > > > > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these ilnesses and > how > > > many > > > > people have had sections of intestine removed and on and on. > > > > tony > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 No argument from me. pennydumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: PennyWhat you don't realise is that crohns and ulcerative colitis more often than not lead to surgery and a pouch for gathering your number 2's. MY moment of madness stems from the truly UGLY SIDE of these ilnesses.....When you have these conditions your more likely to end up as prey to a surgeon who's constantly cutting out inflammation. And wait there's more, the guy has to go in and repair your wounds because you didn't heal six months after the surgery. AND THE DRUGS WITH MOST EFFICACY ARE A SULPHA DRUG SIMILAR TO BACTRIM AND FLAGYL AND STEROIDS - your having your arsehole cut out by some arsehole that doesn't get it that you have an INFECTION- how much more does this scream out you got bad bugs there.You then get a 2 to 5 year drug course as a possable way to eradicate this infection which keeps responding to sulphasalazine originally known to help with arthritis..also how surprisingly bactrim keeps coming back and offering help with all my culture results on over 100 cfs patients.also surprisingly one of the main stay therapies on the MP..We need science guided drugs not go off and do this for nine months.No-one can afford the continual build up of scar tissue and ischemic tissue IMO, which drives my dilemma when I'm fed another softly, softly, approach when these ilnesses are so ugly.> > > >> > > > > > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People have cells that > > > respond > > > > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and by controlling the > > > > problem instead of an all out assault- you keep the money > > flowing. > > > > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything anymore that may > > fix > > > a > > > > problem they provide management drugs and rich just showed us > how > > > > simple eating management strategies can overcome the need for > > > > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand that many on > these > > > > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative Colitis to > > undiagnosed > > > > CHROHN"s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS..> > > > It's surprising how much massive inflammation is in the > > > > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in these ilnesses and > how > > > many > > > > people have had sections of intestine removed and on and on.> > > > tony> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Hi, Tony. I apologize for pulling your chain. It's hard to resist when you call me all the names you do. You come up with some that I've never even heard before, and I'm a pretty old guy! Please don't misunderstand me. I don't mean to minimize the seriousness of infections. I know that they can be terrible, and I've acknowledged several times that when they are serious, the only choice is to attack them directly. I think we are in agreement on that. Perhaps where we disagree is in the degree to which infections can be dealt with by strengthening the body's own defenses. As you know, I emphasize that approach. I see antimicrobials as an important resort in critical situatins, but as a stopgap measure which must be replaced by normal prevention and control of infections by the immune system if the person is to be healthy for the long term. I think that the reason a lot of infections get going is that the immune system was not in such good shape beforehand, for other reasons. In the case of Crohn's disease, I know that pathogens can get involved, but I don't see them as the fundamental issue. I think that there is an underlying problem in many cases of CFS involved with how iron is handled in the gut. As you may know, iron is absorbed from the food and enters the cells lining the gut. However, it doesn't get transported to the bone marrow unless there is a demand for it. If not, the transferrin molecules become saturated and will not transport iron away from the gut at the rate it might be being absorbed from the food. So the extra iron stays in the enterocytes, the cells lining the small intestine. As you also may know, the enterocytes have relatively short lives. They are sloughed off and replaced by new ones. The material that is sloughed off passes down the gut, and the iron in it is available to be reabsorbed farther down the gut. The result of this over time is that the cells of the terminal ileum, i.e. the last part of the small intestine, end up with the highest iron content. Now, if the iron is not stored properly in these cells by being bound to ferretin, the resulting free ionic iron can act as a catalyst in Fenton reactions that produce hydroxyl free radicals. If there is not enough antioxidant protection present there, the resulting damage leads to inflammation. I think this is the fundamental damage process in many cases of Crohn's disease, and it explains why the disease process often starts in the terminal ileum. It also explains why antioxidants such as DMSO and melatonin can be so helpful. Another mechanism that can produce Crohn's disease appears to be insufficiency of disaccharidases in the gut, leading to inability to digest starches and disaccharide sugars properly. This feeds unhelpful bacteria, which can end up damaging the wall of the gut. These cases are helped by the specific carbohydrate diet. Still another mechanism appears to be lack of sufficient secretin production in the duodenum, which leads to stomach acid not being neutralized properly by bicarbonate from the pancreas, and also to insufficient secretion of digestive enzymes into the gut by the pancreas. This also leads to deleterious bacterial overgrowth and damage to the wall of the gut from both the bacteria and the stomach acid. These cases are helped by the porcine duodenum powder. What I'm trying to explain is that while bacteria do get involved in Crohn's disease, they are there because there was fertile ground for them, in turn because of more fundamental problems. It is those fundatmental problems that need to be dealt with if the person is to regain their health on a more permanent basis. Otherwise, the problem will just recur sometime after the bacteria have been knocked down by the antibiotics. I hope this makes some sense to you. I am not saying that the bacteria are not important, or that antibiotics can't be helpful, but that the whole problems needs to be dealt with to help the person over the longer term, rather than just putting out fires. Rich > > Penny > You try winning battles in medicine when you've got your number one > know it all keeps coming at ya with this absolutely simplistic view > of how everythings NOT AN INFECTION. You just got the facts from the > previous poster on how 2 to 5 years of serious drug therapy cures > crohns in 25% of people.THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING AFTER INFECTIONS. I > KNOW THAT IF I PLAY WITH MY INFECTION BY DEPRIVING IT I'LL DO > BETTER!!! SO THIS IS MY PROBLEM I NEED THE SCIENTISTS TO STOP > PLUGGING HOLES BUT TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE > PROBLEM.THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE!!!DO YOU NO HOW UGLY IT IS TO HAVE > YOUR ARSEHOLE CUT OUT..THE CRAPPY SURGERIES THAT THESE POOR PEOPLE > ENDURE- AND IT'S NOT FIXING ANYTHING!!! JUST BYPASSING.I ALSO > STRONGLY FEEL THAT IF YOU USED STREPTOMYCIN INSTEAD OF THE RIFAMPIN > YOU'D BOOST THE NUMBERS TO POSSABLY 50% CURED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 My friend, I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE that you need to deal with EVERYTHING. I'm here for the science, and when I read that sulphasalazine is the big sulpha drug that keeps helping the inflammatory problem I knew strongly that they are dealing with an oppurtunistic pathogen.Now notice I used the word 'Oppurtunistic pathogen' taking adavantage of a situaution much like you described occuring in these conditions.The only parts you miss frequently other than shining examples of medical literature you quote is that there are consequences occuring anytime you suffer- an egs. of this may be a person suffering lower back pain long enough, may need to have there SPINE FUSED.Alongside a painfull period also carries risks to your vascular system and many other whacko problems not the shine and gloss offered up by scientists, that also keep reassuring us how our disease process works.... tony > > > > Penny > > You try winning battles in medicine when you've got your number one > > know it all keeps coming at ya with this absolutely simplistic view > > of how everythings NOT AN INFECTION. You just got the facts from > the > > previous poster on how 2 to 5 years of serious drug therapy cures > > crohns in 25% of people.THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING AFTER INFECTIONS. I > > KNOW THAT IF I PLAY WITH MY INFECTION BY DEPRIVING IT I'LL DO > > BETTER!!! SO THIS IS MY PROBLEM I NEED THE SCIENTISTS TO STOP > > PLUGGING HOLES BUT TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE > > PROBLEM.THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE!!!DO YOU NO HOW UGLY IT IS TO HAVE > > YOUR ARSEHOLE CUT OUT..THE CRAPPY SURGERIES THAT THESE POOR PEOPLE > > ENDURE- AND IT'S NOT FIXING ANYTHING!!! JUST BYPASSING.I ALSO > > STRONGLY FEEL THAT IF YOU USED STREPTOMYCIN INSTEAD OF THE RIFAMPIN > > YOU'D BOOST THE NUMBERS TO POSSABLY 50% CURED. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 ???? Don't know how this got here, guess I hit reply by accident. I didn't have any comment about the thread. Marie --- Marie Mayberry <msmabrry@...> wrote: > > --- Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote: > > > Tony. I'm sorry for your harshness too. It's > > uncalled for. And just after I said we don't > > advocate censorship you have to do this. I > > understand the frustration, but seriously, you > > should know better. :-( > > > > penny > > > > > > > > dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> > wrote: > > Mate you are a classic case of a > fukwit.Do > > you realise that the major > > success drug in crohns is sulphasalazine(spelling/ > > pronunciation). > > This drug, or metranidazole, or steroids, are the > > bang for the buck > > therapy.. along you come and swear black and blue > > that we need to > > take soft cock supplements and watch what we eat- > > and we are cured!! > > Just to give people a tip, sulphasalazine is > similar > > in chemical > > classes as bactrim or seftin, but as ususal the > > other soft cocks will > > tell us that it's working against inflammation not > > infection as we > > may think..( this seems to be the theory when we > get > > a positive > > response from drugs for some reason).. > > Mate go FFFFF yourself and learn how infections > and > > the body don't > > mix and stop preaching to us ill people that we > > DON " T HAVE AN > > INFECTION, yet in your eyes we are suffering from > a > > genetic > > mutatution. > > Sorry for the harshness, but I just hate people > > assuming we don't > > know what's wrong with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You see how this is my frustration .. People > > have cells that > > > respond > > > > to chemicals, foods, and the environment and > by > > controlling the > > > > problem instead of an all out assault- you > keep > > the money > > flowing. > > > > Pharmaceutical companies don't supply anything > > anymore that may > > fix > > > a > > > > problem they provide management drugs and rich > > just showed us how > > > > simple eating management strategies can > overcome > > the need for > > > > pharmaceuticals. Rich also needs to understand > > that many on these > > > > lists have MASSIVE PROBLEMS- from ULcerative > > Colitis to > > undiagnosed > > > > CHROHN " s, to crappy diagnosis of IBS.. > > > > It's surprising how much massive inflammation > is > > in the > > > > gastrointestinal region of the anatomy in > these > > ilnesses and how > > > many > > > > people have had sections of intestine removed > > and on and on. > > > > tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' > Green Center. > http://autos./green_center/ > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. http://autos./new_cars.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Tony you numbfuck . . . don't you know 'fuckwit' is used by every cheesey lil prep boy in college . . . Now 'soft cock' . . . that's fresh . . . sinister! . . . beautiful . . . Tarantino and Celine could take a page out of your book . . . I'm not sure why you have to use it on a nice retired physicist who spends a million hours researching and educating people even though he's healthy and could be playing golf! . . . I guess antibacterials won't work for anyone unless everyone in the world believes in them . . . like faries and magic . . . that's right I forgot you're way into all those sort of alternative ideas . . . mental energies . . . healing crystals . . . colon cleanses . . . talismans . . . homeopathic rosemary bubble baths . . . spirochetes . . . zeta waves . . . gelcaps . . . fruits and vegetables . . . micronutrients . . . magic underwear . . . anyway I'm sure your silver-tongued advocacy of bacterial pathogenesis can save many hundreds of lives even without all the heavy and/or sexual swearing . . . I think mommy and daddy forgot to teach you the words " hell " and " damn " . . . Am I right? . . . sometimes the truth hurts but let's be honest . . . Speaking of which . . . I'm sure you could really crush me in any trash talk shootout in about 15 seconds . . . what's more . . . I'm not exactly the biggest kid in the class . . . if you glared at me I'd probably run away . . . or more likely I'd faint . . . so . . . don't make me taunt you a second time . . . I've been through enough severe embarrassments in life god knows . . . Anyway I gave this list's URL to Wheldon one time last year . . . we have people with terminal science degrees on the list . . . it would be nice to have a few more . . . some of them might even be almost as knowledgeable as you . . . we might learn something . . . I think they are used to a more restrained standard of speech . . . so don't make me get firm on you buddy . . . I will ban your sorry butt in a microsecond . . . I actually tried to yesterday . . . couldn't find the button . . . we all have the special button to ban each other right . . . or is it just Penny . . . oh, crap I think I just banned myself by accident . . . god it stings like a cattle prod . . . help . . . mom . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 The following swear words and exclamations, and no others, will now be allowed on I & I: -hell -crap -damn -holy crap -dang -heck -darn -holy cow -whoa! -gosh -oh my goodness sakes -gracious me -golly gee -by gum -gee willikers -Jiminy Cricket However, in order to make up for old wrongs, Tony will be limited to " gee willikers, " and Rich will be required to use the F word in every post, for the next 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Dear As a card carrying representative of the great Australian unwashed I would like to reserve the right to repossess from the Toyota advertisement "bugger" as it has always been in the public domain. Regards Windsor [infections] Re: Crohn's remedies The following swear words and exclamations, and no others, will now be allowed on I & I:-hell-crap-damn-holy crap-dang-heck-darn-holy cow-whoa!-gosh-oh my goodness sakes-gracious me-golly gee-by gum-gee willikers-Jiminy CricketHowever, in order to make up for old wrongs, Tony will be limited to "gee willikers," and Rich will be required to use the F word in every post, for the next 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 A lot of that post came in the early hours of the morning after a big night out. I also tend to look at crohn's and ulcerative colitis diifferently than most, because what a lot of people are unaware of is that when you have these UGLY conditions a SURGEON is your best friend apparently.Now I don't know if you also realise that these conditions will cause your death a lot earlier than you expect. We basically aren't in the cfs bubble here where everything is up in the air as far as death and living goes.And a lot of what is done is about openeing up new arseholes everywhere for you. THAT " S THE TREATMENT!! now it may be OK if your a prostitute (you can do a bit of business on the side) but for anyone needing to get away from this ilness we need to appreciate that everything thrown at a condition is antibacterial, so let's form a strategy THAT USES THE BEST combination treatments not hit and hope affairs. I also have no problem understanding that diet is very powerfull as far as tools in the arsenal go, and off course the supplements bit.BUT we need to also learn, scientifically!!! what feeds them and what enpowers them to produce there toxins.MULTI VITAMINS in my opinion are a disaster for anyone dealing with inflmammtion- I often find they can fuel it.so we need to understand a lot mmore.Now when I read rich's post I'm thinking here we go again it's just another softcock management strategy..KEEP THE DISEASE BUT MANAGE IT!!!I'm not a big fan of this styl;e of thinking when something SCREAMS OUT INFECTION!!!!!4 antibacterial TB drugs a SULPHA DRUG, METRANIDAZOLE AND STEROIDS are the success stories !!!!and off course managemnet strategies to deal with infections also work here!!! What do you want to know if you have this condition. My ineterest comes about because salphasalazane is like bactrim and keeps on working against oppurtunistic pathogens. I have done over 100 cfs cultures where this drug stands out for coming back into play every so often. NOW IT " S NOT A CURE, BUT IT TEACHES ME THAT THERES SOMETHING TO THESE ILNESSES AS FAR AS THIS SIMILAR cfs SINUS BACTERIA IS CONCERNED. i ALSO WON'T READ AND QUOTE WHAT SCIENTISTS THINK IS THE PROBLEM IN THESE CONDITIONS, BECAUSE I LEARNT A LONG TIME AGO HALF THE STUFF YOU READ IS CRAP - SOMEONE SETS OUT TO PROVE SOMETHING AND THEY EVENTUALLY DO AND NO-ONE BENEFITS FROM MOST OF IT!!!!! > > Tony you numbfuck . . . don't you know 'fuckwit' is used by every > cheesey lil prep boy in college . . . Now 'soft cock' . . . that's > fresh . . . sinister! . . . beautiful . . . Tarantino and Celine > could take a page out of your book . . . I'm not sure why you have to > use it on a nice retired physicist who spends a million hours > researching and educating people even though he's healthy and could > be playing golf! . . . I guess antibacterials won't work for anyone > unless everyone in the world believes in them . . . like faries and > magic . . . that's right I forgot you're way into all those sort of > alternative ideas . . . mental energies . . . healing crystals . . . > colon cleanses . . . talismans . . . homeopathic rosemary bubble > baths . . . spirochetes . . . zeta waves . . . gelcaps . . . fruits > and vegetables . . . micronutrients . . . magic underwear . . . > anyway I'm sure your silver-tongued advocacy of bacterial > pathogenesis can save many hundreds of lives even without all the > heavy and/or sexual swearing . . . I think mommy and daddy forgot to > teach you the words " hell " and " damn " . . . Am I right? . . . > sometimes the truth hurts but let's be honest . . . Speaking of > which . . . I'm sure you could really crush me in any trash talk > shootout in about 15 seconds . . . what's more . . . I'm not exactly > the biggest kid in the class . . . if you glared at me I'd probably > run away . . . or more likely I'd faint . . . so . . . don't make me > taunt you a second time . . . I've been through enough severe > embarrassments in life god knows . . . Anyway I gave this list's URL > to Wheldon one time last year . . . we have people with > terminal science degrees on the list . . . it would be nice to have a > few more . . . some of them might even be almost as knowledgeable as > you . . . we might learn something . . . I think they are used to a > more restrained standard of speech . . . so don't make me get firm on > you buddy . . . I will ban your sorry butt in a microsecond . . . I > actually tried to yesterday . . . couldn't find the button . . . we > all have the special button to ban each other right . . . or is it > just Penny . . . oh, crap I think I just banned myself by > accident . . . god it stings like a cattle prod . . . help . . . > mom . . . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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