Re: Re: Dr. Bell's original cohort had drunk unpasteurized milk

[Guest guest]

Dr. Bernard Jensen was a pioneer in eating for health (and father of colonics), and he insisted on unpastuerized goat milk for his patients. When the local authorities said this was illegal, he got around the law by selling each of his patients a goat ($1) when they arrived at his health retreat so it was their milk to do with as they wished. :-) He's dead now, but I've visited his property a couple times recently and saw it's still an amazing eden of greenery and waterfalls and exotic fruit trees from all over the world. He lived to a very ripe old age on goat's milk, and apparently he's had a lot of appreciative patients do so as well. My guess is, the most important thing is knowing the health of the goat and/or the source of the milk. penny Barb Peck <egroups1bp@...> wrote: I drank unpastureized milk from cows and goats until I was 21 - I was so totally healthy it was un beleivable.Then at 26 yrs old I had a blood transfusion (suspected to be tainted with Lyme/babesia or Lyme/Malaria) and I was never the same.Actually - all my family- and extended family grew up on farms, drank raw milk and now as adults they've all lived extremely healthy lives.So- while there are many things that go Bump in the milk.. it's not 100% of the time.Bar b>> Tony and all,> I just came across an excerpt from Dr. Bell's new book. In it > he says that his original patients, kids, had drunk unpasteurized > milk but he could never find out what they were infected with.> > Any thoughts on this?> > a C.> > >> > What your missing with me is that my attitude reflects the severity > > of the disease and the stance needed to be taken at every turn when > > your dealing with this disease.You see everything else everyione > else > > has brought to these forums is that after 1000's of > doctor/specialist > > visits and alternatives they sit across the table and take in > what's > > lumped on them.MY approach is

I'm coming over to your side of the > > table and having a say in the whole business of MY HEALTH..> > How many pick up that there doctor's has given out 1000's of CT > scans > > knowing full well the outcome is pointless?I've given my doctor > back > > a CT scan he ordered because me and him agreed that it truly was > just > > a joke and it wasn't going to get us results.They have many rituals > > your performing, like a dance, that makes everything look like > > stuffs happening. You have to toughen yourselves and not waste any > > oppurtunity to shine some lighht on what is wrong with you..> > I mean how angry do I get when I read Cheney stories- The guy sits > at > > the heart of an airborne pathogen some decades earlier and has been > > story telling since.I think that if you have a patient that shows >

> diminished function in several area's you should take him in and > look > > at him from top to bottom- perform biopsies- basically run the > gammit > > to get a suitable explanation for what is going on.This guy see's > > patient after patient charges thousands of doillars discussing > > theories with them and now has discovered they all have heart > disease.> > How exciting to be one of his patients NOT!!!!!!!. > > tony>

[Guest guest]

I don't know a lot about

goat's milk, raw or otherwise, but I do drink raw cow's milk and there

are a few interesting points worth considering:

1) The casein in milk produced by legacy breeds (Jerseys, Guernseys) is

a different type than produced by factory cows (e.g., Holsteins).

"Legacy" milk has been tested in Britain on autistic children and found

to not be a problem, compared to "factory" milk.

2) Further, the pasteurization process modifies whatever casein is in

the milk, in very nasty ways, rendering it relatively allergenic.

Homogenization also does unnatural things to the milk.

3) Pasteurization is essentially a way to compensate for high-volume

factory production methods where proper cleanliness is not observed.

If a dairy handles raw milk properly, it is actually safer from a

bacteriological standpoint than pasteurized milk. In fact raw milk

contains more healthy probiotics.

Obviously that matter of handling raw milk properly is an important

"if", but we are blessed to have an excellent small dairy in our area

that produces superb raw milk. My personal experience is that whereas

"typical" milk causes me intestinal problems, I have absolutely no

problem with raw milk. I pay $10 a gallon for the stuff and if this

source were gone I just wouldn't drink milk, period. From this dairy

at least, the raw milk does not taste nor look "funny" ... I think most

people assume it comes with three inches of curdled cream on top and

tastes like cow udder or something ... but it is not much different

from the "usual" stuff other than seeming "fresher".

Most of the "lactose intolerance" and other problems people have with

milk is just because they aren't really drinking milk ... there are

drinking a low-quality milk-like substance ;-)

FWIW ...

--Bob

Penny Houle wrote:

Dr. Bernard Jensen was a pioneer in eating for health (and

father of colonics), and he insisted on unpastuerized goat milk for his

patients. When the local authorities said this was illegal, he got

around the law by selling each of his patients a goat ($1) when they

arrived at his health retreat so it was their milk to do with as they

wished. :-)

He's dead now, but I've visited his property a couple

times recently and saw it's still an amazing eden of greenery and

waterfalls and exotic fruit trees from all over the world. He lived to

a very ripe old age on goat's milk, and apparently he's had a lot of

appreciative patients do so as well. My guess is, the most important

thing is knowing the health of the goat and/or the source of the milk.

penny

Barb Peck <egroups1bp > wrote:

I drank unpastureized milk from cows and goats until I was 21

- I was

so totally healthy it was un beleivable.

Then at 26 yrs old I had a blood transfusion (suspected to be

tainted with Lyme/babesia or Lyme/Malaria) and I was never the same.

Actually - all my family- and extended family grew up on farms, drank

raw milk and now as adults they've all lived extremely healthy lives.

So- while there are many things that go Bump in the milk.. it's not

100% of the time.

Bar b

>

> Tony and all,

> I just came across an excerpt from Dr. Bell's new book. In

it

> he says that his original patients, kids, had drunk unpasteurized

> milk but he could never f ind out what they were infected with.

>

> Any thoughts on this?

>

> a C.

>

> >

> > What your missing with me is that my attitude reflects the

severity

> > of the disease and the stance needed to be taken at every

turn

when

> > your dealing with this disease.You see everything else

everyione

> else

> > has brought to these forums is that after 1000's of

> doctor/specialist

> > visits and alternatives they sit across the table and take in

> what's

> > lumped on them.MY approach is I'm coming over to your side of

the

> > table and having a say in the whole business of MY HEALTH..

> > How many pick up that there doctor's has given out 1000's of

CT

> scans

> > knowing full well the outcome is pointless?I've given my

doctor

> back

> > a CT scan he ordered because me and him agreed that it truly

was

> just

> > a joke and it wasn't going to get us results.They have many

rituals

> > your performing, like a dance, that makes everything look

like

> > stuffs happening. You have to toughen yourselves and not

waste

any

> > oppurtunity to shine some lighht on what is wrong with you..

> > I mean how angry do I get when I read Cheney stories- The guy

sits

> at

> > the heart of an airborne pathogen some decades earlier and

has

been

> > story telling since.I think that if you have a patient that

shows

> > diminished function in several area's you should take him in

and

> look

> > at him from top to bottom- perform biopsies- basically run

the

> gammit

> > to get a suitable explanation for what is going on.This guy

see's

> > patient after patient charges thousands of doillars

discussing

> > theories with them and now has discovered they all have heart

> disease.

> > How exciting to be one of his patients NOT!!!!!!!.

> > tony

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bob

For those who might wish to persue this angle further, the differences in casein relate to the presence of beta casein A1 in the milk from Holstein/Friesian cows and its absence from the milk of Jersey cows, which produce beta casein A2.

http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info/factsheets/FactA2milk.htm

The digestive fragments from A1 include casomorphin , a peptide with neuroactive properties while A2 peptides lack this moiety.

Similarly, the digestion of wheat proteins, (alpha gliadin) give rise to gliamorphin with similar properties.

These snippets have been known for some time and have been the underpinning of certain orthomolecular treatment regimes.

There is a wealth of research data on A1/A2 milk in relation to a wide range of problems, from cardiovascular disease to ADHD.

In my own case, A2 milk has produced substantial benefits in ability to get good sleep particularly.

Regards

Windsor

Re: [infections] Re: Dr. Bell's original cohort had drunk unpasteurized milk

I don't know a lot about goat's milk, raw or otherwise, but I do drink raw cow's milk and there are a few interesting points worth considering:1) The casein in milk produced by legacy breeds (Jerseys, Guernseys) is a different type than produced by factory cows (e.g., Holsteins). "Legacy" milk has been tested in Britain on autistic children and found to not be a problem, compared to "factory" milk.2) Further, the pasteurization process modifies whatever casein is in the milk, in very nasty ways, rendering it relatively allergenic. Homogenization also does unnatural things to the milk.3) Pasteurization is essentially a way to compensate for high-volume factory production methods where proper cleanliness is not observed. If a dairy handles raw milk properly, it is actually safer from a bacteriological standpoint than pasteurized milk. In fact raw milk contains more healthy probiotics.Obviously that matter of handling raw milk properly is an important "if", but we are blessed to have an excellent small dairy in our area that produces superb raw milk. My personal experience is that whereas "typical" milk causes me intestinal problems, I have absolutely no problem with raw milk. I pay $10 a gallon for the stuff and if this source were gone I just wouldn't drink milk, period. From this dairy at least, the raw milk does not taste nor look "funny" ... I think most people assume it comes with three inches of curdled cream on top and tastes like cow udder or something ... but it is not much different from the "usual" stuff other than seeming "fresher".Most of the "lactose intolerance" and other problems people have with milk is just because they aren't really drinking milk ... there are drinking a low-quality milk-like substance ;-)FWIW ...--BobPenny Houle wrote:

Dr. Bernard Jensen was a pioneer in eating for health (and father of colonics), and he insisted on unpastuerized goat milk for his patients. When the local authorities said this was illegal, he got around the law by selling each of his patients a goat ($1) when they arrived at his health retreat so it was their milk to do with as they wished. :-)

He's dead now, but I've visited his property a couple times recently and saw it's still an amazing eden of greenery and waterfalls and exotic fruit trees from all over the world. He lived to a very ripe old age on goat's milk, and apparently he's had a lot of appreciative patients do so as well. My guess is, the most important thing is knowing the health of the goat and/or the source of the milk.

penny

Barb Peck <egroups1bp > wrote:

I drank unpastureized milk from cows and goats until I was 21 - I was so totally healthy it was un beleivable.Then at 26 yrs old I had a blood transfusion (suspected to be tainted with Lyme/babesia or Lyme/Malaria) and I was never the same.Actually - all my family- and extended family grew up on farms, drank raw milk and now as adults they've all lived extremely healthy lives.So- while there are many things that go Bump in the milk.. it's not 100% of the time.Bar b>> Tony and all,> I just came across an excerpt from Dr. Bell's new book. In it > he says that his original patients, kids, had drunk unpasteurized > milk but he could never f ind out what they were infected with.> > Any thoughts on this?> > a C.> > >> > What your missing with me is that my attitude reflects the severity > > of the disease and the stance needed to be taken at every turn when > > your dealing with this disease.You see everything else everyione > else > > has brought to these forums is that after 1000's of > doctor/specialist > > visits and alternatives they sit across the table and take in > what's > > lumped on them.MY approach is I'm coming over to your side of the > > table and having a say in the whole business of MY HEALTH..> > How many pick up that there doctor's has given out 1000's of CT > scans > > knowing full well the outcome is pointless?I've given my doctor > back > > a CT scan he ordered because me and him agreed that it truly was > just > > a joke and it wasn't going to get us results.They have many rituals > > your performing, like a dance, that makes everything look like > > stuffs happening. You have to toughen yourselves and not waste any > > oppurtunity to shine some lighht on what is wrong with you..> > I mean how angry do I get when I read Cheney stories- The guy sits > at > > the heart of an airborne pathogen some decades earlier and has been > > story telling since.I think that if you have a patient that shows > > diminished function in several area's you should take him in and > look > > at him from top to bottom- perform biopsies- basically run the > gammit > > to get a suitable explanation for what is going on.This guy see's > > patient after patient charges thousands of doillars discussing > > theories with them and now has discovered they all have heart > disease.> > How exciting to be one of his patients NOT!!!!!!!. > > tony>

[Guest guest]

Yep. My wife took ImmunePro

for about 18 months, tolerated it fine but didn't seem to help other

than maybe fractionally. I took it myself for a time. Great stuff.

--Bob

pjeanneus wrote:

Bob, you might be interested to research nondenatured whey protein

such as ImmunoPro RX. It is not pasteurized and does not contian

lactose. I have wondered all along if it helps cfs patients so much

simply because it was never heated to the level milk is today. Dr.

Bounous who first did studies on this found that he was using whey

products on mice to see how it helped them. Suddenly he found them

deteriorating on the whey he was feeding them. Turns out the world

had just upped the temperature required for pasteurizing milk and the

whey no longer helped the mice, or was it rats, but you get the point.

Curious.

a C.

>

> I don't know a lot about goat's milk, raw or otherwise, but I do

drink

> raw cow's milk and there are a few interesting points worth

considering:

>

> 1) The casein in milk produced by legacy breeds (Jerseys,

Guernseys) is

> a different type than produced by factory cows (e.g., Holsteins).

> "Legacy" milk has been tested in Britain on autistic children and

found

> to not be a problem, compared to "factory" milk.

>

> 2) Further, the pasteurization process modifies whatever casein is

in

> the milk, in very nasty ways, rendering it relatively allergenic.

> Homogenization also does unnatural things to the milk.

>

> 3) Pasteurization is essentially a way to compensate for high-

volume

> factory production methods where proper cleanliness is not

observed. If

> a dairy handles raw milk properly, it is actually safer from a

> bacteriological standpoint than pasteurized milk. In fact raw milk

> contains more healthy probiotics.

>

> Obviously that matter of handling raw milk properly is an

important

> "if", but we are blessed to have an excellent small dairy in our

area

> that produces superb raw milk. My personal experience is that

whereas

> "typical" milk causes me intestinal problems, I have absolutely no

> problem with raw milk. I pay $10 a gallon for the stuff and if

this

> source were gone I just wouldn't drink milk, period. From this

dairy at

> least, the raw milk does not taste nor look "funny" ... I think

most

> people assume it comes with three inches of curdled cream on top

and

> tastes like cow udder or something ... but it is not much

different

from

> the "usual" stuff other than seeming "fresher".

>

> Most of the "lactose intolerance" and other problems people have

with

> milk is just because they aren't really drinking milk ... there

are

> drinking a low-quality milk-like substance ;-)

>

> FWIW ...

>

> --Bob

>

> Penny Houle wrote:

> > Dr. Bernard Jensen was a pioneer in eating for health (and

father of

> > colonics), and he insisted on unpastuerized goat milk for his

> > patients. When the local authorities said this was illegal,

he

got

> > around the law by selling each of his patients a goat ($1)

when

they

> > arrived at his health retreat so it was their milk to do with

as

they

> > wished. :-)

> >

> > He's dead now, but I've visited his property a couple times

recently

> > and saw it's still an amazing eden of greenery and waterfalls

and

> > exotic fruit trees from all over the world. He lived to a

very

ripe

> > old age on goat's milk, and apparently he's had a lot of

appreciative

> > patients do so as well. My guess is, the most important thing

is

> > knowing the health of the goat and/or the source of the milk.

> >

> > penny

> >

> >

> > */Barb Peck <egroups1bp@...>/* wrote:

> >

> > I drank unpastureized milk from cows and goats until I was

21 - I was

> > so totally healthy it was un beleivable.

> >

> > Then at 26 yrs old I had a blood transfusion (suspected to be

> > tainted with Lyme/babesia or Lyme/Malaria) and I was never

the same.

> >

> > Actually - all my family- and extended family grew up on

farms, drank

> > raw milk and now as adults they've all lived extremely

healthy lives.

> >

> > So- while there are many things that go Bump in the milk..

it's not

> > 100% of the time.

> >

> > Bar b

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Tony and all,

> > > I just came across an excerpt from Dr. Bell's new

book. In it

> > > he says that his original patients, kids, had drunk

unpasteurized

> > > milk but he could never f ind out what they were

infected

with.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts on this?

> > >

> > > a C.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > What your missing with me is that my attitude

reflects the

> > severity

> > > > of the disease and the stance needed to be taken at

every

turn

> > when

> > > > your dealing with this disease.You see everything

else

everyione

> > > else

> > > > has brought to these forums is that after 1000's of

> > > doctor/specialist

> > > > visits and alternatives they sit across the table

and

take in

> > > what's

> > > > lumped on them.MY approach is I'm coming over to

your

side of the

> > > > table and having a say in the whole business of MY

HEALTH..

> > > > How many pick up that there doctor's has given out

1000's

of CT

> > > scans

> > > > knowing full well the outcome is pointless?I've

given my

doctor

> > > back

> > > > a CT scan he ordered because me and him agreed that

it

truly was

> > > just

> > > > a joke and it wasn't going to get us results.They

have

many

> > rituals

> > > > your performing, like a dance, that makes

everything look

like

> > > > stuffs happening. You have to toughen yourselves

and not

waste

> > any

> > > > oppurtunity to shine some lighht on what is wrong

with

you..

> > > > I mean how angry do I get when I read Cheney

stories- The

guy

> > sits

> > > at

> > > > the heart of an airborne pathogen some decades

earlier

and has

> > been

> > > > story telling since.I think that if you have a

patient

that shows

> > > > diminished function in several area's you should

take him

in and

> > > look

> > > > at him from top to bottom- perform biopsies-

basically

run the

> > > gammit

> > > > to get a suitable explanation for what is going

on.This

guy see's

> > > > patient after patient charges thousands of doillars

discussing

> > > > theories with them and now has discovered they all

have

heart

> > > disease.

> > > > How exciting to be one of his patients NOT!!!!!!!.

> > > > tony

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>