Dr. Bell's original cohort had drunk unpasteurized milk

[Guest guest]

Tony and all,

I just came across an excerpt from Dr. Bell's new book. In it

he says that his original patients, kids, had drunk unpasteurized

milk but he could never find out what they were infected with.

Any thoughts on this?

a C.

>

> What your missing with me is that my attitude reflects the severity

> of the disease and the stance needed to be taken at every turn when

> your dealing with this disease.You see everything else everyione

else

> has brought to these forums is that after 1000's of

doctor/specialist

> visits and alternatives they sit across the table and take in

what's

> lumped on them.MY approach is I'm coming over to your side of the

> table and having a say in the whole business of MY HEALTH..

> How many pick up that there doctor's has given out 1000's of CT

scans

> knowing full well the outcome is pointless?I've given my doctor

back

> a CT scan he ordered because me and him agreed that it truly was

just

> a joke and it wasn't going to get us results.They have many rituals

> your performing, like a dance, that makes everything look like

> stuffs happening. You have to toughen yourselves and not waste any

> oppurtunity to shine some lighht on what is wrong with you..

> I mean how angry do I get when I read Cheney stories- The guy sits

at

> the heart of an airborne pathogen some decades earlier and has been

> story telling since.I think that if you have a patient that shows

> diminished function in several area's you should take him in and

look

> at him from top to bottom- perform biopsies- basically run the

gammit

> to get a suitable explanation for what is going on.This guy see's

> patient after patient charges thousands of doillars discussing

> theories with them and now has discovered they all have heart

disease.

> How exciting to be one of his patients NOT!!!!!!!.

> tony

[Guest guest]

Staph is a common complaint from the udders of infected cows.I also

think it can come under the heading of mastitis.

tony

>

> Tony and all,

> I just came across an excerpt from Dr. Bell's new book. In it

> he says that his original patients, kids, had drunk unpasteurized

> milk but he could never find out what they were infected with.

>

> Any thoughts on this?

>

> a C.

>

> >

> > What your missing with me is that my attitude reflects the

severity

> > of the disease and the stance needed to be taken at every turn

when

> > your dealing with this disease.You see everything else everyione

> else

> > has brought to these forums is that after 1000's of

> doctor/specialist

> > visits and alternatives they sit across the table and take in

> what's

> > lumped on them.MY approach is I'm coming over to your side of the

> > table and having a say in the whole business of MY HEALTH..

> > How many pick up that there doctor's has given out 1000's of CT

> scans

> > knowing full well the outcome is pointless?I've given my doctor

> back

> > a CT scan he ordered because me and him agreed that it truly was

> just

> > a joke and it wasn't going to get us results.They have many

rituals

> > your performing, like a dance, that makes everything look like

> > stuffs happening. You have to toughen yourselves and not waste

any

> > oppurtunity to shine some lighht on what is wrong with you..

> > I mean how angry do I get when I read Cheney stories- The guy

sits

> at

> > the heart of an airborne pathogen some decades earlier and has

been

> > story telling since.I think that if you have a patient that shows

> > diminished function in several area's you should take him in and

> look

> > at him from top to bottom- perform biopsies- basically run the

> gammit

> > to get a suitable explanation for what is going on.This guy see's

> > patient after patient charges thousands of doillars discussing

> > theories with them and now has discovered they all have heart

> disease.

> > How exciting to be one of his patients NOT!!!!!!!.

> > tony

>

[Guest guest]

I drank unpastureized milk from cows and goats until I was 21 - I was

so totally healthy it was un beleivable.

Then at 26 yrs old I had a blood transfusion (suspected to be

tainted with Lyme/babesia or Lyme/Malaria) and I was never the same.

Actually - all my family- and extended family grew up on farms, drank

raw milk and now as adults they've all lived extremely healthy lives.

So- while there are many things that go Bump in the milk.. it's not

100% of the time.

Bar b

>

> Tony and all,

> I just came across an excerpt from Dr. Bell's new book. In it

> he says that his original patients, kids, had drunk unpasteurized

> milk but he could never find out what they were infected with.

>

> Any thoughts on this?

>

> a C.

>

> >

> > What your missing with me is that my attitude reflects the

severity

> > of the disease and the stance needed to be taken at every turn

when

> > your dealing with this disease.You see everything else everyione

> else

> > has brought to these forums is that after 1000's of

> doctor/specialist

> > visits and alternatives they sit across the table and take in

> what's

> > lumped on them.MY approach is I'm coming over to your side of the

> > table and having a say in the whole business of MY HEALTH..

> > How many pick up that there doctor's has given out 1000's of CT

> scans

> > knowing full well the outcome is pointless?I've given my doctor

> back

> > a CT scan he ordered because me and him agreed that it truly was

> just

> > a joke and it wasn't going to get us results.They have many

rituals

> > your performing, like a dance, that makes everything look like

> > stuffs happening. You have to toughen yourselves and not waste

any

> > oppurtunity to shine some lighht on what is wrong with you..

> > I mean how angry do I get when I read Cheney stories- The guy

sits

> at

> > the heart of an airborne pathogen some decades earlier and has

been

> > story telling since.I think that if you have a patient that shows

> > diminished function in several area's you should take him in and

> look

> > at him from top to bottom- perform biopsies- basically run the

> gammit

> > to get a suitable explanation for what is going on.This guy see's

> > patient after patient charges thousands of doillars discussing

> > theories with them and now has discovered they all have heart

> disease.

> > How exciting to be one of his patients NOT!!!!!!!.

> > tony

>

[Guest guest]

Bob, you might be interested to research nondenatured whey protein

such as ImmunoPro RX. It is not pasteurized and does not contian

lactose. I have wondered all along if it helps cfs patients so much

simply because it was never heated to the level milk is today. Dr.

Bounous who first did studies on this found that he was using whey

products on mice to see how it helped them. Suddenly he found them

deteriorating on the whey he was feeding them. Turns out the world

had just upped the temperature required for pasteurizing milk and the

whey no longer helped the mice, or was it rats, but you get the point.

Curious.

a C.

>

> I don't know a lot about goat's milk, raw or otherwise, but I do

drink

> raw cow's milk and there are a few interesting points worth

considering:

>

> 1) The casein in milk produced by legacy breeds (Jerseys,

Guernseys) is

> a different type than produced by factory cows (e.g., Holsteins).

> " Legacy " milk has been tested in Britain on autistic children and

found

> to not be a problem, compared to " factory " milk.

>

> 2) Further, the pasteurization process modifies whatever casein is

in

> the milk, in very nasty ways, rendering it relatively allergenic.

> Homogenization also does unnatural things to the milk.

>

> 3) Pasteurization is essentially a way to compensate for high-

volume

> factory production methods where proper cleanliness is not

observed. If

> a dairy handles raw milk properly, it is actually safer from a

> bacteriological standpoint than pasteurized milk. In fact raw milk

> contains more healthy probiotics.

>

> Obviously that matter of handling raw milk properly is an important

> " if " , but we are blessed to have an excellent small dairy in our

area

> that produces superb raw milk. My personal experience is that

whereas

> " typical " milk causes me intestinal problems, I have absolutely no

> problem with raw milk. I pay $10 a gallon for the stuff and if

this

> source were gone I just wouldn't drink milk, period. From this

dairy at

> least, the raw milk does not taste nor look " funny " ... I think

most

> people assume it comes with three inches of curdled cream on top

and

> tastes like cow udder or something ... but it is not much different

from

> the " usual " stuff other than seeming " fresher " .

>

> Most of the " lactose intolerance " and other problems people have

with

> milk is just because they aren't really drinking milk ... there are

> drinking a low-quality milk-like substance ;-)

>

> FWIW ...

>

> --Bob

>

> Penny Houle wrote:

> > Dr. Bernard Jensen was a pioneer in eating for health (and

father of

> > colonics), and he insisted on unpastuerized goat milk for his

> > patients. When the local authorities said this was illegal, he

got

> > around the law by selling each of his patients a goat ($1) when

they

> > arrived at his health retreat so it was their milk to do with as

they

> > wished. :-)

> >

> > He's dead now, but I've visited his property a couple times

recently

> > and saw it's still an amazing eden of greenery and waterfalls and

> > exotic fruit trees from all over the world. He lived to a very

ripe

> > old age on goat's milk, and apparently he's had a lot of

appreciative

> > patients do so as well. My guess is, the most important thing is

> > knowing the health of the goat and/or the source of the milk.

> >

> > penny

> >

> >

> > */Barb Peck <egroups1bp@...>/* wrote:

> >

> > I drank unpastureized milk from cows and goats until I was

21 - I was

> > so totally healthy it was un beleivable.

> >

> > Then at 26 yrs old I had a blood transfusion (suspected to be

> > tainted with Lyme/babesia or Lyme/Malaria) and I was never

the same.

> >

> > Actually - all my family- and extended family grew up on

farms, drank

> > raw milk and now as adults they've all lived extremely

healthy lives.

> >

> > So- while there are many things that go Bump in the milk..

it's not

> > 100% of the time.

> >

> > Bar b

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Tony and all,

> > > I just came across an excerpt from Dr. Bell's new

book. In it

> > > he says that his original patients, kids, had drunk

unpasteurized

> > > milk but he could never f ind out what they were infected

with.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts on this?

> > >

> > > a C.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > What your missing with me is that my attitude reflects the

> > severity

> > > > of the disease and the stance needed to be taken at every

turn

> > when

> > > > your dealing with this disease.You see everything else

everyione

> > > else

> > > > has brought to these forums is that after 1000's of

> > > doctor/specialist

> > > > visits and alternatives they sit across the table and

take in

> > > what's

> > > > lumped on them.MY approach is I'm coming over to your

side of the

> > > > table and having a say in the whole business of MY

HEALTH..

> > > > How many pick up that there doctor's has given out 1000's

of CT

> > > scans

> > > > knowing full well the outcome is pointless?I've given my

doctor

> > > back

> > > > a CT scan he ordered because me and him agreed that it

truly was

> > > just

> > > > a joke and it wasn't going to get us results.They have

many

> > rituals

> > > > your performing, like a dance, that makes everything look

like

> > > > stuffs happening. You have to toughen yourselves and not

waste

> > any

> > > > oppurtunity to shine some lighht on what is wrong with

you..

> > > > I mean how angry do I get when I read Cheney stories- The

guy

> > sits

> > > at

> > > > the heart of an airborne pathogen some decades earlier

and has

> > been

> > > > story telling since.I think that if you have a patient

that shows

> > > > diminished function in several area's you should take him

in and

> > > look

> > > > at him from top to bottom- perform biopsies- basically

run the

> > > gammit

> > > > to get a suitable explanation for what is going on.This

guy see's

> > > > patient after patient charges thousands of doillars

discussing

> > > > theories with them and now has discovered they all have

heart

> > > disease.

> > > > How exciting to be one of his patients NOT!!!!!!!.

> > > > tony

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Penny'

I suppose the key to unpasteurised goats milk may lies in the person

drawing the milk being there to fully appreciate spoilage that in a

larger practise may cause problems.Imagine hundreds of goats

supplying a batch of milk without that one on one personal screening.

I've even read that goats milk has caused havoc in the past in some

european countries, this being recorded from the middle of last

century.

tony

> >

> > Tony and all,

> > I just came across an excerpt from Dr. Bell's new book. In

it

> > he says that his original patients, kids, had drunk unpasteurized

> > milk but he could never find out what they were infected with.

> >

> > Any thoughts on this?

> >

> > a C.

> >

> > >

> > > What your missing with me is that my attitude reflects the

> severity

> > > of the disease and the stance needed to be taken at every turn

> when

> > > your dealing with this disease.You see everything else

everyione

> > else

> > > has brought to these forums is that after 1000's of

> > doctor/specialist

> > > visits and alternatives they sit across the table and take in

> > what's

> > > lumped on them.MY approach is I'm coming over to your side of

the

> > > table and having a say in the whole business of MY HEALTH..

> > > How many pick up that there doctor's has given out 1000's of CT

> > scans

> > > knowing full well the outcome is pointless?I've given my doctor

> > back

> > > a CT scan he ordered because me and him agreed that it truly

was

> > just

> > > a joke and it wasn't going to get us results.They have many

> rituals

> > > your performing, like a dance, that makes everything look like

> > > stuffs happening. You have to toughen yourselves and not waste

> any

> > > oppurtunity to shine some lighht on what is wrong with you..

> > > I mean how angry do I get when I read Cheney stories- The guy

> sits

> > at

> > > the heart of an airborne pathogen some decades earlier and has

> been

> > > story telling since.I think that if you have a patient that

shows

> > > diminished function in several area's you should take him in

and

> > look

> > > at him from top to bottom- perform biopsies- basically run the

> > gammit

> > > to get a suitable explanation for what is going on.This guy

see's

> > > patient after patient charges thousands of doillars discussing

> > > theories with them and now has discovered they all have heart

> > disease.

> > > How exciting to be one of his patients NOT!!!!!!!.

> > > tony

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The milkers on our farm were mostly Holsteins - but there was a

percentage of Jerseys to raise the butter fat content. The Jersye's

milk came into the house her milk was good to cook with.. I preferred

drinking her milk because of the fat content.

And I eat a high dairy fat diet to this day.. no fat free (or skim

or reduced) milk has ever passed my lips...

Barb

> >

> > Tony and all,

> > I just came across an excerpt from Dr. Bell's new

book. In it

> > he says that his original patients, kids, had drunk

unpasteurized

> > milk but he could never f ind out what they were infected

with.

> >

> > Any thoughts on this?

> >

> > a C.

> >

> > >

> > > What your missing with me is that my attitude reflects

the

> severity

> > > of the disease and the stance needed to be taken at every

turn

> when

> > > your dealing with this disease.You see everything else

everyione

> > else

> > > has brought to these forums is that after 1000's of

> > doctor/specialist

> > > visits and alternatives they sit across the table and

take in

> > what's

> > > lumped on them.MY approach is I'm coming over to your

side of the

> > > table and having a say in the whole business of MY

HEALTH..

> > > How many pick up that there doctor's has given out 1000's

of CT

> > scans

> > > knowing full well the outcome is pointless?I've given my

doctor

> > back

> > > a CT scan he ordered because me and him agreed that it

truly was

> > just

> > > a joke and it wasn't going to get us results.They have

many

> rituals

> > > your performing, like a dance, that makes everything look

like

> > > stuffs happening. You have to toughen yourselves and not

waste

> any

> > > oppurtunity to shine some lighht on what is wrong with

you..

> > > I mean how angry do I get when I read Cheney stories- The

guy

> sits

> > at

> > > the heart of an airborne pathogen some decades earlier

and has

> been

> > > story telling since.I think that if you have a patient

that shows

> > > diminished function in several area's you should take him

in and

> > look

> > > at him from top to bottom- perform biopsies- basically

run the

> > gammit

> > > to get a suitable explanation for what is going on.This

guy see's

> > > patient after patient charges thousands of doillars

discussing

> > > theories with them and now has discovered they all have

heart

> > disease.

> > > How exciting to be one of his patients NOT!!!!!!!.

> > > tony

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I raised Nupian crosses for a while - and was milking 4 adults and

selling the milk (this was in the 1970's).

There were several components that went into producing good milk -

one the breed of goat-, 2nd their diet (not many really know that

goats are more like deer - and not like sheep) and 3- their living

arrangements.

At the time I was living where the land was screaming for goats... I

could milk one of my goats, strain it thru cheese cloth chill it-

then put it in a (grocery store) milk bottle and serve it- and no one

knew they were drinking goats milk - they thought it was store bough

Cow milk... It tasted really really good.

But I've tasted some really really bad goat's milk..

Barb

> > >

> > > Tony and all,

> > > I just came across an excerpt from Dr. Bell's new book.

In

> it

> > > he says that his original patients, kids, had drunk

unpasteurized

> > > milk but he could never find out what they were infected with.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts on this?

> > >

> > > a C.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > What your missing with me is that my attitude reflects the

> > severity

> > > > of the disease and the stance needed to be taken at every

turn

> > when

> > > > your dealing with this disease.You see everything else

> everyione

> > > else

> > > > has brought to these forums is that after 1000's of

> > > doctor/specialist

> > > > visits and alternatives they sit across the table and take in

> > > what's

> > > > lumped on them.MY approach is I'm coming over to your side of

> the

> > > > table and having a say in the whole business of MY HEALTH..

> > > > How many pick up that there doctor's has given out 1000's of

CT

> > > scans

> > > > knowing full well the outcome is pointless?I've given my

doctor

> > > back

> > > > a CT scan he ordered because me and him agreed that it truly

> was

> > > just

> > > > a joke and it wasn't going to get us results.They have many

> > rituals

> > > > your performing, like a dance, that makes everything look

like

> > > > stuffs happening. You have to toughen yourselves and not

waste

> > any

> > > > oppurtunity to shine some lighht on what is wrong with you..

> > > > I mean how angry do I get when I read Cheney stories- The guy

> > sits

> > > at

> > > > the heart of an airborne pathogen some decades earlier and

has

> > been

> > > > story telling since.I think that if you have a patient that

> shows

> > > > diminished function in several area's you should take him in

> and

> > > look

> > > > at him from top to bottom- perform biopsies- basically run

the

> > > gammit

> > > > to get a suitable explanation for what is going on.This guy

> see's

> > > > patient after patient charges thousands of doillars

discussing

> > > > theories with them and now has discovered they all have heart

> > > disease.

> > > > How exciting to be one of his patients NOT!!!!!!!.

> > > > tony

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Barb, I can relate. I was a kid in the 50s and my neighbors raised

goats for milk. I guess I drank milk from every goat they milked.

Some of it was delicious and some nasty. I always thought it was

because the goats had a tendancy to eat different stuff they liked,

just as humans do. It always made me mad that they LOVED to eat the

trilliums out in our woods. They just decimated those lovely flowers.

a Carnes

>

> I raised Nupian crosses for a while - and was milking 4 adults and

> selling the milk (this was in the 1970's).

>

> There were several components that went into producing good milk -

> one the breed of goat-, 2nd their diet (not many really know that

> goats are more like deer - and not like sheep) and 3- their living

> arrangements.

>

> At the time I was living where the land was screaming for goats...

I

> could milk one of my goats, strain it thru cheese cloth chill it-

> then put it in a (grocery store) milk bottle and serve it- and no

one

> knew they were drinking goats milk - they thought it was store

bough

> Cow milk... It tasted really really good.

>

> But I've tasted some really really bad goat's milk..

>

>

> Barb

>

>