Re: Question for Tony re Tim

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a

I tried to explain possably months earlier before you went down that

if anyone poked they'd get a response that shows these organisms

ain't the stealth type..I often read pathetic attempts at trying to

fit square pegs into round holes with LYME EVERYTHING over there. I

just recognised his case as clearly something that resembles or stems

from a post orbitol infection. These are known causes of meninigitis.

BAsically the infection that's not being recognised, even in yuour

own case that they normally term sinusitis is alot more than your

bargaining for..There is also this pathetic effort that goes with

mmedicine trying to convince you everythings normal. We never see

anything as normal we are very carefull to get facts. If you noticed

after GRILLING DAvid we discovered that he had his huge infection in

his head diagnosed and treated, he just forgot to mention this to

everyone claiming that GLUTATHIONE fixed everything. I mean is this a

WANK or what. The guy has a massive infection diagnosed by Tuft and

Swann has it removed and antibiotics are administered and he's done

everything to try and convince people that it's Rich that's curing

him. I mean even Tuft himself who's holding on to infectious teeth by

capping them, constantly takes antibiotics to keep himself going.

So the sinus infection you never had or the voice box infection

that's isn't so in your own case may be a tip that your own case may

be also a post orbitol cellulitis infection in your head.

>

> HI Tony,

> I see you replied to a fellow named Tim on the EuroLyme list.

>

> Boy, it sounds to me like his " meningitis " case is so much like

mine.

> No one ever found out what I was infected with so assumed there was

no

> infection. Now on diflucan and then penicillin the headache went

away

> for the first time in 8 months. When I stopped the penicillin for 5

> days the headache came back.

>

> I have to wonder if there was some infection/virus that was going

> around the world last May. There were other people in Las Vegas who

> got vertigo as I did, but they seemed to have recovered. And then

> there was me.

>

> What else do you know about Tim's case?

>

> a C.

>

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a

You must be convinced by now that you have an infection causing your

meningitis like symptoms. The UGLY PART about this is that they'll

try and convince you you don't have enough meningitis, I honestly

can't believe the INCOMPETENCE that fiollows ilness. The whole of

medicine is so hunkered down into what testing they can and cannot

get away with that the DIGANOSIS bit becomes completely irrelevant.

Imagine if you actually got diagnosed meningitis and got the correct

treatment of 20 grams a day of penicillin instead of the 2 grams a

day your currently doing.Not to mention the second agent thrown in to

give a broader coverage, you'd be a lot more cured if the billion

orgamisms afflicting you were reduced dramatically.

tony

>

> HI Tony,

> I see you replied to a fellow named Tim on the EuroLyme list.

>

> Boy, it sounds to me like his " meningitis " case is so much like

mine.

> No one ever found out what I was infected with so assumed there was

no

> infection. Now on diflucan and then penicillin the headache went

away

> for the first time in 8 months. When I stopped the penicillin for 5

> days the headache came back.

>

> I have to wonder if there was some infection/virus that was going

> around the world last May. There were other people in Las Vegas who

> got vertigo as I did, but they seemed to have recovered. And then

> there was me.

>

> What else do you know about Tim's case?

>

> a C.

>

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Tony, I am doing the best I can with what I've got. Here are some

details - just went back today and put some of this together.

I never had any eye symptoms. I never had any trouble with my vocal

cords like laryngitis.

I did develop a fever and thrush and vertigo and the pressure

headache. It never went away.

I started diflucan at 200 mg a day for 25 days. During this time the

headache did not go away, but I did run a fever, low grade and felt

like a herxheimer reaction, then gradually felt a bit better.

I started the 2 weeks of penicillin and noted that by the second week

the headache completely disappeared.

My insurance refused to pay for the second 25 day cycle of diflucan. I

worked on getting this covered for about 7 days. On about the 4th day

I noticed the headache returning. It has continued every day pretty

much 24 hrs a day since.

I started back on diflucan three days now. The headache is slightly

better but still there.

I can't get anyone to look at my blood or CNS. I am having to just do

what I can. Yes, I think this is an infection. Is it borrelia? Who

knows? Can I get my doctor to up the penicillin dose? Should I?

At this point my decision is to go another round of the 25 then the 14

days. Then, assuming my liver function is still normal I will go

another round. I think it will work. It's supposed to work for

borrelia, so I am hoping it will work for that and maybe whatever else

I got last spring - the day I was perfectly fine, just wanted to know

why I couldn't sing anymore and got something.

If you can think of what else I should do, Tony, fire away.

a Carnes

>

> a

> You must be convinced by now that you have an infection causing your

> meningitis like symptoms. The UGLY PART about this is that they'll

> try and convince you you don't have enough meningitis, I honestly

> can't believe the INCOMPETENCE that fiollows ilness. The whole of

> medicine is so hunkered down into what testing they can and cannot

> get away with that the DIGANOSIS bit becomes completely irrelevant.

> Imagine if you actually got diagnosed meningitis and got the correct

> treatment of 20 grams a day of penicillin instead of the 2 grams a

> day your currently doing.Not to mention the second agent thrown in

to

> give a broader coverage, you'd be a lot more cured if the billion

> orgamisms afflicting you were reduced dramatically.

> tony

>

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PAula

Thru your quest I tried to warn you that you'll get the Bull Shit

that seems to dominate anyone with these conditions.As you observed

Tim on the other forum is obviously very unwell and he is taken a

hell of a lot more serious, yet he still has to hurdle the bullshit.

WHENEVER ANYONE SCANS YOU THRU THE NORMAL CHANNELS THEY " LL GIVE YOU A

CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH, BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON WITH CHRONIC CONDITIONS

THE FINE DETAIL IS OVERLOOKED!!!!!!!If you send of your supposedly

perfect MRI's to Swan or Tuft that DAvid visited they are abvle to

point out your INFECTIONS on the scans everyone is missing your

infections on.

>

> Tony, I am doing the best I can with what I've got. Here are some

> details - just went back today and put some of this together.

>

> I never had any eye symptoms. I never had any trouble with my vocal

> cords like laryngitis.

>

> I did develop a fever and thrush and vertigo and the pressure

> headache. It never went away.

>

> I started diflucan at 200 mg a day for 25 days. During this time

the

> headache did not go away, but I did run a fever, low grade and felt

> like a herxheimer reaction, then gradually felt a bit better.

>

> I started the 2 weeks of penicillin and noted that by the second

week

> the headache completely disappeared.

>

> My insurance refused to pay for the second 25 day cycle of

diflucan. I

> worked on getting this covered for about 7 days. On about the 4th

day

> I noticed the headache returning. It has continued every day pretty

> much 24 hrs a day since.

>

> I started back on diflucan three days now. The headache is slightly

> better but still there.

>

> I can't get anyone to look at my blood or CNS. I am having to just

do

> what I can. Yes, I think this is an infection. Is it borrelia? Who

> knows? Can I get my doctor to up the penicillin dose? Should I?

>

> At this point my decision is to go another round of the 25 then the

14

> days. Then, assuming my liver function is still normal I will go

> another round. I think it will work. It's supposed to work for

> borrelia, so I am hoping it will work for that and maybe whatever

else

> I got last spring - the day I was perfectly fine, just wanted to

know

> why I couldn't sing anymore and got something.

>

> If you can think of what else I should do, Tony, fire away.

>

> a Carnes

> >

> > a

> > You must be convinced by now that you have an infection causing

your

> > meningitis like symptoms. The UGLY PART about this is that

they'll

> > try and convince you you don't have enough meningitis, I honestly

> > can't believe the INCOMPETENCE that fiollows ilness. The whole of

> > medicine is so hunkered down into what testing they can and

cannot

> > get away with that the DIGANOSIS bit becomes completely

irrelevant.

> > Imagine if you actually got diagnosed meningitis and got the

correct

> > treatment of 20 grams a day of penicillin instead of the 2 grams

a

> > day your currently doing.Not to mention the second agent thrown

in

> to

> > give a broader coverage, you'd be a lot more cured if the billion

> > orgamisms afflicting you were reduced dramatically.

> > tony

> >

>

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a

This just brings me back to the topic I recently accused Rich of

knowing nothing about. CFS was known as ME, the reason why it got the

ME label was due to the ENCEPHALITIS which is a milder form of

meningitis ..Basically a chronic meningitis. I think meningitis

caused by most organisms causes an ACUTE CONDITION followed closely

by death in the not too distant future.

So you and many others suffering from meningitis like symptoms from

time to time fits perfectly with your CFS/ME diagnosis as opposed to

spomethiung you feel you picked up currently. Unfortunately I don't

think methylation blockages or glutathione are going to win this

battle. I feel high levels of drugs delivered at the right frequency

and for the right duration are cures for these conditions.It also

doesn't help that your putting your bugs thru training by letting

them regrow after your stint of putting a good amount of them away.

Your next bash at the same combo may not yield the appropriate

outcomes and you may end up on DAvid's camp that antibiotics don't

work for CFS.

On another note, I just don't understand how you can sit there and

feel ABSOLUTELY COMFORTABLE with a poor diagnosis of lyme and

mycoplasma and you keep thrashing this angle on everyone. Don't you

feel there's pieces missing inthe puzzle?I could have answered

strongly yes to firstly the candida camp, followed by the lyme camp

but wouldn't feel satisfied unless I got an answer that really fits

and now I feel completely comfortable that's occured when I tackle my

bugs.Remeber what I told Tim, most heart infections ain't strange

organiosms they are just the garden variety in ueveryones mouth

causing these infections, and even then you get some fuckwit that was

given a grant or goes out to prove something and they'll accuse some

mycoplasmal species as the cause of the problem with no idea on how

to treat it- yet!!!!! it often responds to drugs it's not supposed to

and this against the philosophy of that fools studies.

>

> Tony, I am doing the best I can with what I've got. Here are some

> details - just went back today and put some of this together.

>

> I never had any eye symptoms. I never had any trouble with my vocal

> cords like laryngitis.

>

> I did develop a fever and thrush and vertigo and the pressure

> headache. It never went away.

>

> I started diflucan at 200 mg a day for 25 days. During this time

the

> headache did not go away, but I did run a fever, low grade and felt

> like a herxheimer reaction, then gradually felt a bit better.

>

> I started the 2 weeks of penicillin and noted that by the second

week

> the headache completely disappeared.

>

> My insurance refused to pay for the second 25 day cycle of

diflucan. I

> worked on getting this covered for about 7 days. On about the 4th

day

> I noticed the headache returning. It has continued every day pretty

> much 24 hrs a day since.

>

> I started back on diflucan three days now. The headache is slightly

> better but still there.

>

> I can't get anyone to look at my blood or CNS. I am having to just

do

> what I can. Yes, I think this is an infection. Is it borrelia? Who

> knows? Can I get my doctor to up the penicillin dose? Should I?

>

> At this point my decision is to go another round of the 25 then the

14

> days. Then, assuming my liver function is still normal I will go

> another round. I think it will work. It's supposed to work for

> borrelia, so I am hoping it will work for that and maybe whatever

else

> I got last spring - the day I was perfectly fine, just wanted to

know

> why I couldn't sing anymore and got something.

>

> If you can think of what else I should do, Tony, fire away.

>

> a Carnes

> >

> > a

> > You must be convinced by now that you have an infection causing

your

> > meningitis like symptoms. The UGLY PART about this is that

they'll

> > try and convince you you don't have enough meningitis, I honestly

> > can't believe the INCOMPETENCE that fiollows ilness. The whole of

> > medicine is so hunkered down into what testing they can and

cannot

> > get away with that the DIGANOSIS bit becomes completely

irrelevant.

> > Imagine if you actually got diagnosed meningitis and got the

correct

> > treatment of 20 grams a day of penicillin instead of the 2 grams

a

> > day your currently doing.Not to mention the second agent thrown

in

> to

> > give a broader coverage, you'd be a lot more cured if the billion

> > orgamisms afflicting you were reduced dramatically.

> > tony

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tony wrote:

> On another note, I just don't understand how you can sit there and

> feel ABSOLUTELY COMFORTABLE with a poor diagnosis of lyme and

> mycoplasma and you keep thrashing this angle on everyone. Don't you

> feel there's pieces missing inthe puzzle?I could have answered

> strongly yes to firstly the candida camp, followed by the lyme camp

> but wouldn't feel satisfied unless I got an answer that really fits

> and now I feel completely comfortable that's occured when I tackle

my

> bugs.Remeber what I told Tim, most heart infections ain't strange

> organiosms they are just the garden variety in ueveryones mouth

> causing these infections, and even then you get some fuckwit that

was

> given a grant or goes out to prove something and they'll accuse some

> mycoplasmal species as the cause of the problem with no idea on how

> to treat it- yet!!!!! it often responds to drugs it's not supposed

to

> and this against the philosophy of that fools studies.

a replies:

Don't you think that borrelia, mycoplasma and babesia could combine to

have caused all of my symptoms? This has always been my assumption. I

tend to agree with you that the solution is the right combo of

antibiotics for enough time.

Yes, I am worried that the few days off the penicillin and diflucan

could case bacterial resistance. I tried to get a refill as fast as I

could.

Yes, as you suggest, I have always followed the antibiotic that WORKED

for me. It doesn't help that many of us have complications that might

not be caused by the original infections to name a few in my case:

damaged thyroid or pituitary

cell damage from quinolones - both nerves and muscles

dental work

a contaminated scope used to examine my vocal cords???

a C.

[Guest guest]

a

When your unwell you really want THE TRUTH. The mycoplasma and

stealth stuff leaves everyone in the medical system puking in there

cornflakes.You can't keep trying to fit the invisable into an ilness

that counts billions of organisms screwing you over in huge

communication harmony.I just explained the meningitis and how it's

treated due to the LARGE NUMBER OF INFECTIOUS ORGANISMS. They will

give you 20 grams a day of penicillin in meningitis and have gone up

to levels of 60 grams a day. This is not the type of organism that's

stealth to be requiring such massive doses of drug. This is common

treatment for meningitis and a second drug is added. Heart infections

are similar and the key is not using bacteriostatic drugs but

combinations of bacteriacidal drugs.This is a very common seventies

treatment by someone in the hospital setting writing a book on his

experiences. The liver was a classic in that long term tetracycline

therapy and often surgery were used to eradicate liver infections.

It's funny how no-one on any forums ever gets this diagnosis.

So yes PAula have your pet theories but understand that as in every

hospital setting the simple stuff is often the culprit and

succesfully treated in the short term ill patients.The long termers

need a whole new long term approach of many angles IMO.

tony

> > On another note, I just don't understand how you can sit there

and

> > feel ABSOLUTELY COMFORTABLE with a poor diagnosis of lyme and

> > mycoplasma and you keep thrashing this angle on everyone. Don't

you

> > feel there's pieces missing inthe puzzle?I could have answered

> > strongly yes to firstly the candida camp, followed by the lyme

camp

> > but wouldn't feel satisfied unless I got an answer that really

fits

> > and now I feel completely comfortable that's occured when I

tackle

> my

> > bugs.Remeber what I told Tim, most heart infections ain't strange

> > organiosms they are just the garden variety in ueveryones mouth

> > causing these infections, and even then you get some fuckwit that

> was

> > given a grant or goes out to prove something and they'll accuse

some

> > mycoplasmal species as the cause of the problem with no idea on

how

> > to treat it- yet!!!!! it often responds to drugs it's not

supposed

> to

> > and this against the philosophy of that fools studies.

>

> a replies:

> Don't you think that borrelia, mycoplasma and babesia could combine

to

> have caused all of my symptoms? This has always been my assumption.

I

> tend to agree with you that the solution is the right combo of

> antibiotics for enough time.

>

> Yes, I am worried that the few days off the penicillin and diflucan

> could case bacterial resistance. I tried to get a refill as fast as

I

> could.

>

> Yes, as you suggest, I have always followed the antibiotic that

WORKED

> for me. It doesn't help that many of us have complications that

might

> not be caused by the original infections to name a few in my case:

>

> damaged thyroid or pituitary

> cell damage from quinolones - both nerves and muscles

> dental work

> a contaminated scope used to examine my vocal cords???

>

> a C.

>

[Guest guest]

Tony, I can't get a diagnosis of meningitis. There is no doctor in my

city would would treat me for this. I was fortunate to get the

diflucan and penicillin. Even then I couldn't get my insurance to

cover the prescription which was out of their framework.

a

>

>

>

> a

> When your unwell you really want THE TRUTH. The mycoplasma and

> stealth stuff leaves everyone in the medical system puking in there

> cornflakes.You can't keep trying to fit the invisable into an

ilness

> that counts billions of organisms screwing you over in huge

> communication harmony.I just explained the meningitis and how it's

> treated due to the LARGE NUMBER OF INFECTIOUS ORGANISMS. They will

> give you 20 grams a day of penicillin in meningitis and have gone

up

> to levels of 60 grams a day. This is not the type of organism

that's

> stealth to be requiring such massive doses of drug. This is common

> treatment for meningitis and a second drug is added. Heart

infections

> are similar and the key is not using bacteriostatic drugs but

> combinations of bacteriacidal drugs.This is a very common seventies

> treatment by someone in the hospital setting writing a book on his

> experiences. The liver was a classic in that long term tetracycline

> therapy and often surgery were used to eradicate liver infections.

> It's funny how no-one on any forums ever gets this diagnosis.

>

> So yes PAula have your pet theories but understand that as in every

> hospital setting the simple stuff is often the culprit and

> succesfully treated in the short term ill patients.The long termers

> need a whole new long term approach of many angles IMO.

> tony

>

[Guest guest]

a That's why you see the F word often associated with the medical

community whenever I go there. It's like you don't have enough

meningitis that's why it got down regulated to encephalitis ME,,

Unfortunately you still need to get the treatment right half assing

around can give you a bigger problem than you started out with.

tony

>

> Tony, I can't get a diagnosis of meningitis. There is no doctor in

my

> city would would treat me for this. I was fortunate to get the

> diflucan and penicillin. Even then I couldn't get my insurance to

> cover the prescription which was out of their framework.

>

> a

> >

> >

> >

> > a

> > When your unwell you really want THE TRUTH. The mycoplasma and

> > stealth stuff leaves everyone in the medical system puking in

there

> > cornflakes.You can't keep trying to fit the invisable into an

> ilness

> > that counts billions of organisms screwing you over in huge

> > communication harmony.I just explained the meningitis and how

it's

> > treated due to the LARGE NUMBER OF INFECTIOUS ORGANISMS. They

will

> > give you 20 grams a day of penicillin in meningitis and have gone

> up

> > to levels of 60 grams a day. This is not the type of organism

> that's

> > stealth to be requiring such massive doses of drug. This is

common

> > treatment for meningitis and a second drug is added. Heart

> infections

> > are similar and the key is not using bacteriostatic drugs but

> > combinations of bacteriacidal drugs.This is a very common

seventies

> > treatment by someone in the hospital setting writing a book on

his

> > experiences. The liver was a classic in that long term

tetracycline

> > therapy and often surgery were used to eradicate liver

infections.

> > It's funny how no-one on any forums ever gets this diagnosis.

> >

> > So yes PAula have your pet theories but understand that as in

every

> > hospital setting the simple stuff is often the culprit and

> > succesfully treated in the short term ill patients.The long

termers

> > need a whole new long term approach of many angles IMO.

> > tony

> >

>