Nutrition - Carbs & Fat

[Guest guest]

I'm seeing some nutrition books that say for fat loss you should avoid

high carb/high fat meals. The reasoning is that the insulin increase

coupled with the fats & carbs will make you insulin resistant and

eventually lead to fat gain.

I did a google scholar search and could find no papers that supported

this. So, I am turning the question to the experts in this forum. Is

there truth to this? Or is this just another fad?

Kim Barkman

Tucson, Arizona

USA

[Guest guest]

Hello Kim,

I am a bit new to the group so feel a bit un-qualified to just jump

in but...I think I have become a true expert on weight loss, with

myself as the patient. Just to let you know were I have come from in

the last year I have lost 65 lbs. Most of it not by diet but pure

excerise! So often we see people who have never been obese telling

people how to lose weight but in reality have no idea just how hard

a battle it is. In my quest from obese to fit I did not deny myself

any food group other then HFCS. I can also tell you that my diet is

weighted toward Carbs with a more then ample supply of fat. Most of

my fat comes from nuts and nut butters rather then beef and pork.

What I have found is that good balance and good excerise is all

you need. For excerise I do all the general stuff but every fifth

work out is stuff I do just for fun. Rolling, Tumbles, hitting a

heavy bag even though I am not very impressive. Free day is the day

I play with jumping squats (no weight). Back to food...I also find

that by eating good fats and carbs I can take in more calories then

most people and still lose weight. BALANCE BALANCE BALANCE! Well, I

guess this is my into to the group. I have been enjoying catching up

on all the information here and hope to be a good member in the

future.

Harry Munroe

West Greenwich, RI

>

> I'm seeing some nutrition books that say for fat loss you should

avoid

> high carb/high fat meals. The reasoning is that the insulin

increase

> coupled with the fats & carbs will make you insulin resistant and

> eventually lead to fat gain.

>

> I did a google scholar search and could find no papers that

supported

> this. So, I am turning the question to the experts in this

forum. Is

> there truth to this? Or is this just another fad?

>

> Kim Barkman

> Tucson, Arizona

> USA

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm seeing some nutrition books that say for fat loss you should

avoid

> high carb/high fat meals. The reasoning is that the insulin

increase

> coupled with the fats & carbs will make you insulin resistant and

> eventually lead to fat gain.

***The following information below may be useful:

AIS Sports Nutrition - Q & A

http://www.ais.org.au/nutrition/QA.asp#22

Q. What is the right way to lose weight?

A. Weight management is about energy balance. You need to make sure

your energy intake (i.e. kilojoules/calories you consume through food

and drinks) is less than your total energy expenditure (i.e. physical

activity) on a consistent basis. This means you either need to

reduce your kilojoule intake, increase your activity level or a

combination of the two. There are many ways to go about reducing

your kilojoule intake, hence the number of books, magazine articles,

diets etc. The following tips will help:

**Target excess high fat foods such as butter, margarine, oil, cream,

high fat cheese, meat fat, full cream dairy foods, ice cream, cakes,

pastries etc. Fat is the most concentrated source of kilojoules in

the diet, making it is easy to consume a large number of kilojoules

in one hit when eating high fat foods. Don't avoid fat completely as

it is an essential nutrient - just limit your intake.

**Target alcohol. Alcoholic drinks provide a lot of kilojoules and

very few other nutrients. Enjoy alcohol in small quantities.

Target kilojoule-dense foods with low nutritional value e.g. soft

drink, cordial, lollies, and some 'diet' foods. Many people believe

sugary foods are OK to eat because they are low in fat and high in

carbohydrate. Just because a food is low in fat doesn't mean you can

eat endless quantities of it.

**Cut back on snacks and focus on nutrient-dense foods which provide

a mix of carbohydrate, protein, vitamins, minerals and fibre.

Examples include fruit, yoghurt, sandwiches, low fat cereal bars and

milk drinks.

**Reduce the amount of food consumed at each meal but continue to

enjoy a variety of food types.

Different strategies work for different people. The key is to

continue to consume a wide variety of foods. Do not avoid any food

group completely, and remember to include your favourite foods. A

dietitian will be able to help you work out a strategy which best

suits your individual habits and preferences...

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Miracle Cure Diet?? - Metabolic Typing Diet (by Dr Mel Siff)

Extracts from www.dolfzine.com

Note once more that same old secret central principle of the

Metabolic Type Diet, namely that it is just another MAD (Mess-Around

Dynamic) Diet. Virtually every section of the Metabolic Typing bible

contains this qualifying statement which states that you need to

experiment with different food choices and combinations to determine

which ones best suit your individual needs, responses and tastes. If

a given Metabolic formula doesn't work, then try something else; if

that one doesn't work either, then try something else again, and so

on and so forth, ad infinitum.

When Wolcott states that " Your body is a dynamic homeostatic system --

meaning it's always in flux, always attempting to regulate itself,

achieve a healthy balance, adjust to shifting environmental

conditions " , he is simply agreeing with what several of us have been

saying for many years. Life is not a thing, but a process. What he

fails to state (because this wouldn't sell his products) is that one

need not even start with the Metabolic Typing Diet (MTD) -- you can

start with almost ANY diet (with an adequate intake of macronutrients

and micronutrients) which teaches avoidance of toxins, excesses and

sloth, then use that diet as a basis for personal experimentation.

In other words, why not save your money and keep it simple by trying

the MAD (Mess-Around Dynamic) diet and changing your life. This diet

keeps it stupidly simple and involves a very few guidelines:

1. Choose any apparently balanced, non-extreme eating regime that you

think you could enjoy for long enough to experiment with. Include

enough variation so that you don't become bored too soon.

2. Eliminate as far as possible all harmful eating, drinking and

lifestyle practices.

3. See how that eating regime suits you and alter it if you notice

any large changes in performance, vitality, sleeping habits,

digestion, sex drive, alertness, sporting performance, etc. Any

allergies or sensitivities should be noted. Keeping a Rating of

Vitality (ROV) - a scale out of 10 of how you feel, alongside an

objective register of any medical problems, can help in this regard.

If you wish to add your own performance measures, please do so,

because this is a MAD diet and " Messing Around " all the time is

encouraged.

4. Don't feel guilty about occasional indiscretions.

5. Make sure that you diet meets your needs and your *tastes*.

6. Add or subtract anything that may enhance any possible placebo

effects of your diet scheme.

7. Repeat steps 3-6.

8. Don't forget that diets without enough exercise and mind power

will never produce miracles. OK - go MAD now and enjoy that exciting

diet which lies lurking undiscovered in your individual larder!

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Carruthers

Wakefield, UK

[Guest guest]

Luca, your are correct - I did not mean that he promoted carbs+fats, but

rather that he eshews them. The things I've read indicate that saturated

fats + carbs tend to promote storage of adipose tissue whereas unsaturated

fats + carbs do not. If you think about it, saturated fats+carbs represent a

lot of our fat+carb combos, e.g., bread & butter, ice cream, etc. So

eliminating these combinations (if the science is correct) would work. I

will be attending a nutrition for athletes conference in October. If I get

some answers, I'll post them.

Have you been on the diet & has to worked for you?

Best regards,

Kim Barkman

Tucson AZ

USA

[Guest guest]

>Hi Kim, you're right, it's been shown that meals high in carbs and

saturated fats raise insulin a lot creating all the problems related

with hyperinsulinemia. Interestingly few days ago reading a discussion

called " The fat roundtable " (I think you read it as well, don't you) I

noticed that it seems that polyunsaturated fat (specifically Omega 3s

and Flax) can improve insulin sensitivity and it'd be not bad to think

that they could be included with meals P + C (of course in a not

excessive amount) that's why I think Dr Berardi says to limit to 10g the

amount of fat in a P+C meal and to 15g of carbs in a P+F meal.

Are we talking about the same information? Yep, I've planned to eat accordingly

to the Dr.Berardi's Massive Eating Plan and in 3 months I'll post my

results, anyway I can assure you that I've been eating P+C and P+F meals

from a while and I noticed a good improvement in body composition

(Measured by skinfold calipers).

Are you a university student, as I am?

Best regards,

Luca Cardilli

Oxford, Oxfordshire, UK

Luca, your are correct - I did not mean that he promoted carbs+fats, but

> rather that he eshews them. The things I've read indicate that saturated

> fats + carbs tend to promote storage of adipose tissue whereas unsaturated

> fats + carbs do not. If you think about it, saturated fats+carbs represent

> a

> lot of our fat+carb combos, e.g., bread & butter, ice cream, etc. So

> eliminating these combinations (if the science is correct) would work. I

> will be attending a nutrition for athletes conference in October. If I

> get

> some answers, I'll post them.

>

> Have you been on the diet & has to worked for you?

>

> Best regards,

>

> Kim Barkman

> Tucson AZ

> USA