Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Hi, a. No, I'm 44. Tony is not a reliable source of facts and keeping my views straight. I believe infection is a priority too, but differ on the narrow approach of just abx some here have. <pj7@...> wrote: > > , does this mean you have been sick since birth? I think maybe > Tony has your age wrong. My son is 33 and functioning well, but he > has probably had Lyme since birth. I do think age affects how we > handle the infections. I also think men, in general, do better than > women, but not always. > > Rich V does know about cfs patients. I think I would group Rich V and > Dr. Cheney in a similar category, both brilliant, both really > understand the effects of the disease. Where I differ with them is > that antibiotics need to be used and used and used to treat the > infections until we evolve an effective treatment. THIS DOES NOT MEAN > WE SHOULDN'T USE THE SUPPLEMENTS AND FIGURE OUT THE EFFECTS OF THE > INFFECTION. Please understand, I have gone this route as well, > treated by Dr. Shoemaker and a few others. > > Let me repeat my favorite Bible quote, " You ought to have done the > one, and not leave the other undone. " Rich will appreciate the quote. > > a Carnes > > > > > Barb/Penny > > I realise I shouldn't swear. Unfortunately I tend to be brash and > > strong and upfront that I no longer tolerate beating around the > bush > > with anyone- this also includes medical proffesionals that will > F**k > > you over if you walk in there with the attitude displayed by most > on > > these forums...So if you see bad attitude by me on this forum, use > > something similar in a smartly structured fashion to get somewhere > a > > lot sounder with your medical proffesionals and show people you > mean > > business when your going to hear someone make all these claims..I > > just found it hard to tolerate that this guy is giving us the no- > > infection story and it's all about the supplements. > > > > > > Also here's selling us on Rich and his idea's and as I've > told > > rich SPEND SOME TIME WITH REAL CFS PEOPLE SO YOU CAN LEARN WHAT > REAL > > CFS IS..watch them go pee every half hour, feel there strong > pulses, > > watch them wince in pain, watch them walk around like there > > intoxicated.Just freakin learn from them, don't study there lab > > reports like all doctors do and give them a clean bill of > > health..Yeah everything's in range crap(must be stress)..Also Barb, > > DAvids 31 he is in this other ballpark from many over 40's that > have > > the strongly embedded scar tissue that won't allow an easy reversal > > to good microcirculation and on to full hydration and just > basically > > a body full of harmonously working organs is more a possability at > > his end of the scale. > > tony > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I don't know anyone here who believes that abx alone are the answer. What we're adamant is about using the correct abx. pennydavidhall2020 <davidhall@...> wrote: Hi, a.No, I'm 44. Tony is not a reliable source of facts and keeping myviews straight. I believe infection is a priority too, but differ onthe narrow approach of just abx some here have.<pj7@...> wrote:>> , does this mean you have been sick since birth? I think maybe > Tony has your age wrong. My son is 33 and functioning well, but he > has probably had Lyme since birth. I do think age affects how we > handle the infections. I also think men, in general, do better than > women, but not always.> > Rich V does know about cfs patients. I think I would group Rich V and > Dr. Cheney in a similar category, both brilliant, both really > understand the effects of the disease. Where I differ with them is > that antibiotics need to be used and used and used to treat the > infections until we evolve an effective treatment. THIS DOES NOT MEAN > WE SHOULDN'T USE THE SUPPLEMENTS AND FIGURE OUT THE EFFECTS OF THE > INFFECTION. Please understand, I have gone this route as well, > treated by Dr. Shoemaker and a few others.> > Let me repeat my favorite Bible quote, "You ought to have done the > one, and not leave the other undone." Rich will appreciate the quote.> > a Carnes> > >> > Barb/Penny> > I realise I shouldn't swear. Unfortunately I tend to be brash and > > strong and upfront that I no longer tolerate beating around the > bush > > with anyone- this also includes medical proffesionals that will > F**k > > you over if you walk in there with the attitude displayed by most > on > > these forums...So if you see bad attitude by me on this forum, use > > something similar in a smartly structured fashion to get somewhere > a > > lot sounder with your medical proffesionals and show people you > mean > > business when your going to hear someone make all these claims..I > > just found it hard to tolerate that this guy is giving us the no-> > infection story and it's all about the supplements.> > > > > > Also here's selling us on Rich and his idea's and as I've > told > > rich SPEND SOME TIME WITH REAL CFS PEOPLE SO YOU CAN LEARN WHAT > REAL > > CFS IS..watch them go pee every half hour, feel there strong > pulses, > > watch them wince in pain, watch them walk around like there > > intoxicated.Just freakin learn from them, don't study there lab > > reports like all doctors do and give them a clean bill of > > health..Yeah everything's in range crap(must be stress)..Also Barb, > > DAvids 31 he is in this other ballpark from many over 40's that > have > > the strongly embedded scar tissue that won't allow an easy reversal > > to good microcirculation and on to full hydration and just > basically > > a body full of harmonously working organs is more a possability at > > his end of the scale.> > tony> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 No My friend I do not have that abx alone approach..I view this ilness from many angles. try and keep your body in a state that it can in house take care of insulin levels-inflammation is tamed by your own hormones and a few other functions working pristine by keeping your core body strong and all organs running harmonously.Watching what you eat and watching your weight..We spent a couple of years learning and trying to clamp inflammation..We are alway's keen to incorporate a multi disciplined approach to cover the majority with this disease. Unfortunately IGNORING THE INFECTION BREWING IN YOUR HEAD IS a disaster. I can't see how anyone can get well without taking care of this. You know from tufft and swan as soon as you walk in and mention you have an autoimmune problem they show you thru scans and xrays even, how it's all brewing above your teeth. You also mentioned you've been sick since birth and something 31 which I took to be your age . I skimmed thru posts..I also like the idea of tackling this ilness when your younger because your body has possably a better chance to revert fibrous/scar tissue to manageable tissue- whatever can be done at this end I suppose. This ones for Bob- Bob something safe to try for your wife would be an eating protocol from a group in florida that are all about NO SLIME PRODUCTION SCIENCE.Someone on this forum may be able to lead you there.. I just know that they really do well when they stop the slime manufacture by eating a certain way- with good science to back them up..They would pop up know and again on cfs forums and get blown off but IMO do have some strong points that make a huge difference.If you stop the TOXIC SLIME from being distributed thoughout your body, your half way better. tony > > > > , does this mean you have been sick since birth? I think maybe > > Tony has your age wrong. My son is 33 and functioning well, but he > > has probably had Lyme since birth. I do think age affects how we > > handle the infections. I also think men, in general, do better than > > women, but not always. > > > > Rich V does know about cfs patients. I think I would group Rich V and > > Dr. Cheney in a similar category, both brilliant, both really > > understand the effects of the disease. Where I differ with them is > > that antibiotics need to be used and used and used to treat the > > infections until we evolve an effective treatment. THIS DOES NOT MEAN > > WE SHOULDN'T USE THE SUPPLEMENTS AND FIGURE OUT THE EFFECTS OF THE > > INFFECTION. Please understand, I have gone this route as well, > > treated by Dr. Shoemaker and a few others. > > > > Let me repeat my favorite Bible quote, " You ought to have done the > > one, and not leave the other undone. " Rich will appreciate the quote. > > > > a Carnes > > > > > > > > Barb/Penny > > > I realise I shouldn't swear. Unfortunately I tend to be brash and > > > strong and upfront that I no longer tolerate beating around the > > bush > > > with anyone- this also includes medical proffesionals that will > > F**k > > > you over if you walk in there with the attitude displayed by most > > on > > > these forums...So if you see bad attitude by me on this forum, use > > > something similar in a smartly structured fashion to get somewhere > > a > > > lot sounder with your medical proffesionals and show people you > > mean > > > business when your going to hear someone make all these claims..I > > > just found it hard to tolerate that this guy is giving us the no- > > > infection story and it's all about the supplements. > > > > > > > > > Also here's selling us on Rich and his idea's and as I've > > told > > > rich SPEND SOME TIME WITH REAL CFS PEOPLE SO YOU CAN LEARN WHAT > > REAL > > > CFS IS..watch them go pee every half hour, feel there strong > > pulses, > > > watch them wince in pain, watch them walk around like there > > > intoxicated.Just freakin learn from them, don't study there lab > > > reports like all doctors do and give them a clean bill of > > > health..Yeah everything's in range crap(must be stress)..Also Barb, > > > DAvids 31 he is in this other ballpark from many over 40's that > > have > > > the strongly embedded scar tissue that won't allow an easy reversal > > > to good microcirculation and on to full hydration and just > > basically > > > a body full of harmonously working organs is more a possability at > > > his end of the scale. > > > tony > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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