Tony, , Rich V.

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, does this mean you have been sick since birth? I think maybe

Tony has your age wrong. My son is 33 and functioning well, but he

has probably had Lyme since birth. I do think age affects how we

handle the infections. I also think men, in general, do better than

women, but not always.

Rich V does know about cfs patients. I think I would group Rich V and

Dr. Cheney in a similar category, both brilliant, both really

understand the effects of the disease. Where I differ with them is

that antibiotics need to be used and used and used to treat the

infections until we evolve an effective treatment. THIS DOES NOT MEAN

WE SHOULDN'T USE THE SUPPLEMENTS AND FIGURE OUT THE EFFECTS OF THE

INFFECTION. Please understand, I have gone this route as well,

treated by Dr. Shoemaker and a few others.

Let me repeat my favorite Bible quote, " You ought to have done the

one, and not leave the other undone. " Rich will appreciate the quote.

a Carnes

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> Barb/Penny

> I realise I shouldn't swear. Unfortunately I tend to be brash and

> strong and upfront that I no longer tolerate beating around the

bush

> with anyone- this also includes medical proffesionals that will

F**k

> you over if you walk in there with the attitude displayed by most

on

> these forums...So if you see bad attitude by me on this forum, use

> something similar in a smartly structured fashion to get somewhere

a

> lot sounder with your medical proffesionals and show people you

mean

> business when your going to hear someone make all these claims..I

> just found it hard to tolerate that this guy is giving us the no-

> infection story and it's all about the supplements.

>

>

> Also here's selling us on Rich and his idea's and as I've

told

> rich SPEND SOME TIME WITH REAL CFS PEOPLE SO YOU CAN LEARN WHAT

REAL

> CFS IS..watch them go pee every half hour, feel there strong

pulses,

> watch them wince in pain, watch them walk around like there

> intoxicated.Just freakin learn from them, don't study there lab

> reports like all doctors do and give them a clean bill of

> health..Yeah everything's in range crap(must be stress)..Also Barb,

> DAvids 31 he is in this other ballpark from many over 40's that

have

> the strongly embedded scar tissue that won't allow an easy reversal

> to good microcirculation and on to full hydration and just

basically

> a body full of harmonously working organs is more a possability at

> his end of the scale.

> tony

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