Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 It is HHV-8 that seems just as interesting, since it is closely linked to Kaposi's sarcoma, potentiating comparisons with simian herpesvirus and rhesus macaques infected with malignant leprosy. With hepatitis B infections, HSV-1 will act as a helper virus, especially in ocular keratitis. > > Gallo, co-discoverer of HIV, just published data purporting to > show that HHV-6 dramatically potentiates the ability of simian > immunodeficiency virus (SIV) to cause AIDS in macaques: > > http://tinyurl.com/3yk6ca > > Co-infections are interesting on their face, I think. But if Montoya > is right about a subset of CFS being caused by HHV-6, then this could > be good news. If HHV-6 is viewed as potentially aggravating AIDS in > humans, then better anti-HHV-6 medications may be developed--a > potential windfall for some PWCs. > > Matt > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Has anyone on this list taken antivirals? My hunch is that most of us on this list have focused on antibiotics for bacteria but not on antivirals. a Carnes > > It is HHV-8 that seems just as interesting, since it is closely > linked to Kaposi's sarcoma, potentiating comparisons with simian > herpesvirus and rhesus macaques infected with malignant leprosy. > With hepatitis B infections, HSV-1 will act as a helper virus, > especially in ocular keratitis. > > > > > > Gallo, co-discoverer of HIV, just published data purporting > to > > show that HHV-6 dramatically potentiates the ability of simian > > immunodeficiency virus (SIV) to cause AIDS in macaques: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/3yk6ca > > > > Co-infections are interesting on their face, I think. But if > Montoya > > is right about a subset of CFS being caused by HHV-6, then this > could > > be good news. If HHV-6 is viewed as potentially aggravating AIDS > in > > humans, then better anti-HHV-6 medications may be developed--a > > potential windfall for some PWCs. > > > > Matt > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Yes, I have taken antivirals for 6 years. Marie --- pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote: > Has anyone on this list taken antivirals? My hunch > is that most of us > on this list have focused on antibiotics for > bacteria but not on > antivirals. > > a Carnes > > > > > It is HHV-8 that seems just as interesting, since > it is closely > > linked to Kaposi's sarcoma, potentiating > comparisons with simian > > herpesvirus and rhesus macaques infected with > malignant leprosy. > > With hepatitis B infections, HSV-1 will act as a > helper virus, > > especially in ocular keratitis. > > > > > > > > > > Gallo, co-discoverer of HIV, just > published data > purporting > > to > > > show that HHV-6 dramatically potentiates the > ability of simian > > > immunodeficiency virus (SIV) to cause AIDS in > macaques: > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/3yk6ca > > > > > > Co-infections are interesting on their face, I > think. But if > > Montoya > > > is right about a subset of CFS being caused by > HHV-6, then this > > could > > > be good news. If HHV-6 is viewed as potentially > aggravating AIDS > > in > > > humans, then better anti-HHV-6 medications may > be developed--a > > > potential windfall for some PWCs. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Beta. http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_tools.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Gallo's report is not surprising. 'The results for influenza B and group B arboviruses are worthy of notice. About 50% of the monkeys each year were seropositive to influenza B (Setagaya), and had a high antibody titer. This suggests that monkeys were infected with influenza B or a simian virus by the same antigenic cross-reaction. The latter fact has received attention in connection with the use of PMK cell cultures from cynomolgus macaques for isolation and identification of influenza B. .....The results of measles, SV5, and HSV viruses show that viral infection of macaques with various simian viruses such as MINIA, SV5 and herpes simiae does occur. The high proportion of monkeys which were seropisitive to HSV is probably due to realtion between antigenicities for HSV and B virus and our results on HSV is consistent with the results in the literature. The high proportion of macaques infected with B virus indicates the need for caution.' (Akira Kawai, Tatsuo Kimoto, Isao Oishi, Takeshi Yamada, Nobuharu Kunita, Viral Infections of Cynomolgus Macaques (Macaca irus): Survey of Antiviral Antibodies in 178 Sera, Primates (1968) 9: 409- 418) Also in time for Easter, 'At the height of the biowarfare program, nearly 4,000 soldiers and scientists made anthrax bombs, vaccines, and drugs at Fort Detrick, land, and at labs in Utah, Idaho, and Indiana. The expanding work of virologists at these labs showed the limits of antivirals, and this insight helped nudge Merck to focus on vaccines. (Another company, Pfizer, leased the government biowarfare laboratory in Indiana in 1947 and turned it into a civilian vaccine plant.)' ( A, Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine's Greatest Lifesaver, WW Norton and Co. (2007)p. 222) > > > > > > > > Gallo, co-discoverer of HIV, just > > published data > > purporting > > > to > > > > show that HHV-6 dramatically potentiates the > > ability of simian > > > > immunodeficiency virus (SIV) to cause AIDS in > > macaques: > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/3yk6ca > > > > > > > > Co-infections are interesting on their face, I > > think. But if > > > Montoya > > > > is right about a subset of CFS being caused by > > HHV-6, then this > > > could > > > > be good news. If HHV-6 is viewed as potentially > > aggravating AIDS > > > in > > > > humans, then better anti-HHV-6 medications may > > be developed--a > > > > potential windfall for some PWCs. > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Beta. > http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_tools.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 It looks like any future benefits that some PWCs might derive from improved anti-HHV-6 medication should not be viewed as a windfall, as I first suggested. Gallo recently published a commentary on HHV-6 that reveals his goals: http://tinyurl.com/2zwuw2 In it, he refers to a possible role of HHV-6 in several diseases including " a subset of severe fatigue states " . Whereas most researchers think tactically ( " How do I publish the next few low-impact papers so I can renew my NIH grants? " ), Gallo has larger goals and thinks strategically: " Consequently, we have a classical dilemma. Money will beget the needed results; needed results will beget the money, but how does the [HHV-6] field break the lock? Maybe this will not be possible, but.... " It appears to me, then, that Gallo's recent PNAS paper (cited in my first post below) is more a means to an end, than an end. Perhaps he is " breaking the lock. " Perhaps he is actually our most powerful ally. Matt > > Gallo, co-discoverer of HIV, just published data purporting to > show that HHV-6 dramatically potentiates the ability of simian > immunodeficiency virus (SIV) to cause AIDS in macaques: > > http://tinyurl.com/3yk6ca > > Co-infections are interesting on their face, I think. But if Montoya > is right about a subset of CFS being caused by HHV-6, then this could > be good news. If HHV-6 is viewed as potentially aggravating AIDS in > humans, then better anti-HHV-6 medications may be developed--a > potential windfall for some PWCs. > > Matt > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Matt Your focusing on HHV6 as something that needs beating to conquer fatigue? I think you'll find most people need to focus on dehydration and the state of there body to conquer fatigue and whatever other ails you have.I think this viral focus is silly because your goose is cooked if your talking viruses.Most antiviral remedies are vaccines everything else almost borders on pharmaceutical scam.. Remember most folks on most forums can wax and wane there ilness by environmental factors, type of foods, high salt, supplementation choices .. tony > > > > Gallo, co-discoverer of HIV, just published data purporting > to > > show that HHV-6 dramatically potentiates the ability of simian > > immunodeficiency virus (SIV) to cause AIDS in macaques: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/3yk6ca > > > > Co-infections are interesting on their face, I think. But if > Montoya > > is right about a subset of CFS being caused by HHV-6, then this > could > > be good news. If HHV-6 is viewed as potentially aggravating AIDS > in > > humans, then better anti-HHV-6 medications may be developed--a > > potential windfall for some PWCs. > > > > Matt > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 As we are about to see on another thread, focusing on viruses is far from silly, considering HTLV-1 in a Peruvian mummy whose etiology leads back to Japan, where there are such creatures as snow macaques on Mt. Fuji. Gallo knows this. The dehydration factor ties in well with what Burgdorfer has already said: 'Water.' That would be the power of hydrogen and especially H2 and its electron mechanics, not unlike photon beams and rife machines. Thus, as these various threads develop, be default, their boundaries will blur. Via genomics, camelpoxvirus is the closest related virus to smallpox than any other known virus. This fact should be provocative enough for studies in exhaustion and water retention. > > > > > > Gallo, co-discoverer of HIV, just published data > purporting > > to > > > show that HHV-6 dramatically potentiates the ability of simian > > > immunodeficiency virus (SIV) to cause AIDS in macaques: > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/3yk6ca > > > > > > Co-infections are interesting on their face, I think. But if > > Montoya > > > is right about a subset of CFS being caused by HHV-6, then this > > could > > > be good news. If HHV-6 is viewed as potentially aggravating AIDS > > in > > > humans, then better anti-HHV-6 medications may be developed--a > > > potential windfall for some PWCs. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Sol Your too heavy duty for me to make sense out of all that. I just understand the switching mechanisms of bacteria and the feel good, feel bad, rises and falls to be happy that I'm chasing the real deal when I go after bugs.I've also been fortunate to have been nailed by a few viruses in the not too distant past, especially on benicar a couple of those times and it's a completely different ilness..The benicar made the viral ilness thrash me to within an inch of my life on 2 occasions and variable antibiotics didn't touch a thing... So if you follow/read carefully people's experiences, which is my favourite undertsanding of these ilnesses- yopu'll notice how huge a role both positive and negative antibiotics play. Healthy folk on the other hand taking these drugs don't go boo while on them... > > > > > > > > Gallo, co-discoverer of HIV, just published data > > purporting > > > to > > > > show that HHV-6 dramatically potentiates the ability of simian > > > > immunodeficiency virus (SIV) to cause AIDS in macaques: > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/3yk6ca > > > > > > > > Co-infections are interesting on their face, I think. But if > > > Montoya > > > > is right about a subset of CFS being caused by HHV-6, then > this > > > could > > > > be good news. If HHV-6 is viewed as potentially aggravating > AIDS > > > in > > > > humans, then better anti-HHV-6 medications may be developed-- a > > > > potential windfall for some PWCs. > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 But doesn't this really just make sense when you stop to think how many viruses remain latent after the disease has gone (so why can't they think this can happen with bacterial disease- but that's another discussion). Look at all the Lymies that all of a sudden have cold sores Herpes simplex- (HS1) when their immune systems get supressed (or overwhelmed) - or older people that get shingles (varicella zoster virus) VZV. And now we also know (from immunosupressed liver transplant patients) that the Parvovirus B19 can also go dormant and reside in the liver. Roseola virus (HHV-6) is dormant within the cell - so how many other viruses do we live with that are dormant... I guess waiting to raise their usgle heads when we're burdened with enough pathogens. So is it a question of keeping a robust immune system ? Or What? Barb PS to Tony... Some antvirals DO work- just look at how many HIV patients are surviving. > > > > Gallo, co-discoverer of HIV, just published data purporting > to > > show that HHV-6 dramatically potentiates the ability of simian > > immunodeficiency virus (SIV) to cause AIDS in macaques: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/3yk6ca > > > > Co-infections are interesting on their face, I think. But if > Montoya > > is right about a subset of CFS being caused by HHV-6, then this > could > > be good news. If HHV-6 is viewed as potentially aggravating AIDS > in > > humans, then better anti-HHV-6 medications may be developed--a > > potential windfall for some PWCs. > > > > Matt > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 >>>>>>>>>>PS to Tony... Some antvirals DO work- just look at how many HIV > patients are surviving.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Barb I believe that the new range of hiv drugs hit the spot -BUT DON " T CURE, so yes your right after a trillion dollars of research we have some drugs that can influence the toll a virus can take. But being observant with what goes on with people around you paints a different picture as far as how useless these antivirals (pre HIV) have been. This was actually reinforced by my doctor who blew a rasberry as far as bang for the buck went with the previous group of super expensive crap on offer..Antivrals like famvir (wild guess) are priced at 1500 dollars a box but are free on the govt subsidy scheme 23 bucks for something worth 1500, and I can tell you I haven't seen them change the course of anyones actual viral disease..my doctor confirms this by painting a similar picture. There's also a constant publicity barage to get anyone with an itch in there jocks to get onto the herpes meds..and an even bigger publicity barage to get any old folk without an itch in there jocks to get onto the erection maintenance drugs. > > > > > > Gallo, co-discoverer of HIV, just published data > purporting > > to > > > show that HHV-6 dramatically potentiates the ability of simian > > > immunodeficiency virus (SIV) to cause AIDS in macaques: > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/3yk6ca > > > > > > Co-infections are interesting on their face, I think. But if > > Montoya > > > is right about a subset of CFS being caused by HHV-6, then this > > could > > > be good news. If HHV-6 is viewed as potentially aggravating AIDS > > in > > > humans, then better anti-HHV-6 medications may be developed--a > > > potential windfall for some PWCs. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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