Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Tony wrote: I've taken megadoses of cipro and believe me everything went with the drugs ability to kill or it's inability to kill. I could take a cipro when it was resistant to my organisms and I didn't flicker. Tony, A couple of years ago I would have thought maybe you were correct on this, except that healthy, normal people rupture tendons sometimes on day 3 the first time they ever take Cipro. But since two years ago I have come across more studies sent me by Barb Peck on what it seems quinolones are actually doing to cause tendon rupture. It looks like it is linked to reduced magnesium levels. a - with thanks to Barb Peck Arch Toxicol. 2000 Jan;73(10-11):557-63. Links Ciprofloxacin causes cytoskeletal changes and detachment of human and rat chondrocytes in vitro. Egerbacher M, Seiberl G, Wolfesberger B, Walter I. IV Medizinische Abteilung mit Infektions- und Tropenkrankheiten, Kaiser Franz f Spital, Kundratstrasse, 1100 Wien, Austria. monika.egerbacher@... Quinolones cause damage of articular cartilage in different species by forming chelate complexes with divalent cations and inducing magnesium deficiency. Cations are important for regular function of integrins, a group of transmembrane proteins which connect extracellular matrix proteins with the intracellular cytoskeleton. We have shown that cultivation of rat chondrocytes in ciprofloxacin (CFX)-supplemented and Mg(2+)-free medium led to pronounced changes in the cytoskeleton and decreased adhesion of cells to the culture dish. In order to test whether or not these effects are species- specific, we extended our studies on human chondrocytes. Human chondrocytes cultivated in CFX-supplemented medium (10, 40, 80 and 160 microg/ml) or Mg(2+)-free medium showed decreased ability to adhere to growth support, cell shape changes, and alterations in actin and vimentin cytoskeleton in a concentration dependent manner. Attachment of human chondrocytes to collagen type II coated cover slips was reduced to 90% in CFX group and 75% in Mg(2+)-free group on day 1. This effect even increased after 4 days of culture in the respective medium (32% in CFX and 58% in Mg(2+)-free group). We concluded that Mg(2+) deficiency is exerted via integrins, resulting in decreased ability to attach to extracellular matrix proteins and cytoskeletal changes. These effects are not species-specific. The attachment assay proves to be an easy to use experimental set-up to test ciprofloxacin and other quinolones for their chondrotoxic effects. Arch Toxicol. 2000 Jan;73(10-11):557-63. Links Ciprofloxacin causes cytoskeletal changes and detachment of human and rat chondrocytes in vitro. Egerbacher M, Seiberl G, Wolfesberger B, Walter I. IV Medizinische Abteilung mit Infektions- und Tropenkrankheiten, Kaiser Franz f Spital, Kundratstrasse, 1100 Wien, Austria. monika.egerbacher@... Quinolones cause damage of articular cartilage in different species by forming chelate complexes with divalent cations and inducing magnesium deficiency. Cations are important for regular function of integrins, a group of transmembrane proteins which connect extracellular matrix proteins with the intracellular cytoskeleton. We have shown that cultivation of rat chondrocytes in ciprofloxacin (CFX)-supplemented and Mg(2+)-free medium led to pronounced changes in the cytoskeleton and decreased adhesion of cells to the culture dish. In order to test whether or not these effects are species- specific, we extended our studies on human chondrocytes. Human chondrocytes cultivated in CFX-supplemented medium (10, 40, 80 and 160 microg/ml) or Mg(2+)-free medium showed decreased ability to adhere to growth support, cell shape changes, and alterations in actin and vimentin cytoskeleton in a concentration dependent manner. Attachment of human chondrocytes to collagen type II coated cover slips was reduced to 90% in CFX group and 75% in Mg(2+)-free group on day 1. This effect even increased after 4 days of culture in the respective medium (32% in CFX and 58% in Mg(2+)-free group). We concluded that Mg (2+) deficiency is exerted via integrins, resulting in decreased ability to attach to extracellular matrix proteins and cytoskeletal changes. These effects are not species-specific. The attachment assay proves to be an easy to use experimental set-up to test ciprofloxacin and other quinolones for their chondrotoxic effects. 1: Vet Pathol. 2001 Mar;38(2):143-8. Links In vitro evidence for effects of magnesium supplementation on quinolone-treated horse and dog chondrocytes. Egerbacher M, Wolfesberger B, Gabler C. Institute of Histology and Embryology, University of Veterinary Medicine, Vienna, Austria. Quinolones and magnesium deficiency cause similar lesions in joint cartilage of young animals. Chondrocytes cultivated in the presence of quinolones and in Mg-free medium show severe alterations in cytoskeleton and decreased ability to adhere to the culture dish. We investigated whether Mg2+ supplementation can prevent quinolone- mediated effects on chondrocytes in vitro. Chondrocytes cultivated in Dulbecco's modified Eagle's medium/HAM's F-12 medium were treated with ciprofloxacin (80 and 160 microg/ml) and enrofloxacin (100 and 150 microg/ml). Mg2+ was added at a concentration of 0.0612 mg/ml (MgCl) and 0.0488 mg/ml (MgSO4) or a triple dose. In addition, cells were cultivated in Mg-free medium and accordingly treated with Mg2+ supplementation. After 5 days in culture, the number of adherent cells per milliliter was determined. The number of chondrocytes in quinolone-treated groups decreased to 12-36% that of the control group within the culture period. With Mg2+ supplementation, the number of attached cells increased to 40-70% that of control cells. The threefold dose of Mg2+ led to better results than did the single dose. Cell proliferation tested by immunohistochemical staining with Ki67 (clone MIB5) decreased from 70% in control groups to 55%, 48%, and 30% in enrofloxacin-treated groups in a concentration dependent manner (50, 100, and 150 microg/ml). Addition of Mg2+ did not increase the rate of cell proliferation. These results suggest that a great part of quinolone-induced damage is due to magnesium complex formation, as Mg2+ supplementation is able to reduce the effects in vitro. However, quinolone effects on cell proliferation seem to be an independent process that is not influenced by magnesium supplementation. PMID: 11280370 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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