RE: when did your child start talking???

November 30, 2008

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I am a speech pathologist and I work with kiddos 3-5 years. I have only had

one boy with DS who was verbal when he transitioned into my program. He is

now six and still nonverbal. He will use signs but not often. I have a two

(25 months)year old girl with DS that we got when she was nine months old.

She still has not said any words. She will use some signs but only when she

really feels like it! So keep encouraging speech at home, that is the most

important thing you can do!

Cammie Heflin

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www.theheflinfamily.blogspot.com

[DownSyndromeInfoExchange] when did your child start talking???

Hello all

I vowed never to look at any developmental milestone charts anymore, but

I did anyway and as expected, I'm left with the nagging question when

the he** is going to start talking???

I had a look at DS authority Pueschels chart where it says that children

with DS start talking in short sentences around 24 months on average,

ranging from 18 to 46 months (children without DS: 21 on average/ranging

from 14 to 32 months). (turning four next Thursday) is nowhere

near that; he uses a few single words and some signs and that's just

about it. Ok, so he might just be one of the very slow ones and a boy

on top of it, but what perplexes me is the fact that of all kids with DS

we have gotten to know during the last 4 years - which amounts to quite

a big bunch - there is only ONE (a boy!) who started to speak 2-3 word

sentences before he turned three which is why we call him the little

profesor :-) So that makes me question the accuracy of Pueschels time frame.

How old was your child with DS when he or she started to talk?

/Switzerland

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November 30, 2008

is 4, has a large vocabulary in Portuguese and is starting words in English. but she rarely puts two or 3 words together. Her first word was at 2. I know a boy with DS who is eight and speaks less than her, is very active and smart. He learned how to read and write and It brought tears to my eyes to see some of his written work. I have tried to get his mum to teach him signs or use some assistive language device. I truly believe the goal is to communicate and the older the child the more frustrated they become when they cannot express what they mean.PatCammie Heflin escreveu: , I am a speech pathologist and I work with kiddos 3-5 years. I have only had one boy with DS who was verbal when he transitioned into my program. He is now six and still nonverbal. He will use signs but not often. I have a two (25 months)year old girl with DS that we got when she was nine months old. She still has not said any words. She will use some signs but only when she really feels like it! So keep encouraging speech at home, that is the most important thing you can do! Cammie Heflin check out our blog! www.theheflinfamily.blogspot.com [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] when did your child start talking??? Hello all I vowed never to look at any developmental milestone charts anymore, but I did anyway and as expected, I'm left with the nagging question when the he** is going to start talking??? I had a look at DS authority Pueschels chart where it says that children with DS start talking in short sentences around 24 months on average, ranging from 18 to 46 months (children without DS: 21 on average/ranging from 14 to 32 months). (turning four next Thursday) is nowhere near that; he uses a few single words and some signs and that's just about it. Ok, so he might just be one of the very slow ones and a boy on top of it, but what perplexes me is the fact that of all kids with DS we have gotten to know during the last 4 years - which

amounts to quite a big bunch - there is only ONE (a boy!) who started to speak 2-3 word sentences before he turned three which is why we call him the little profesor :-) So that makes me question the accuracy of Pueschels time frame. How old was your child with DS when he or she started to talk? /Switzerland ------------------------------------ 1. Anything suggested on this site or opinions offered are not intended to be medical or pharmaceutical advice or otherwise take the place of your physicians orders, nor to diagnose or treat your specific health problems. Please discuss all methods of treatment with your practitioner. 2 *****WARNING: Flames and inappropriate treatment of other members on this list will NOT be tolerated. 3. Our HOME page is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DownSyndromeInfoExchange where all archived posts as well as photos,links, files, articles etc. are found. You "MUST" have a Yahoo ID and pass word to enter it. To contact Carol, owner & moderator doihavtasaycomcast (DOT) net To contact Kathy, owner & moderator kathy_rCOMCAST (DOT) NET To contact , owner & moderator noliptodaybellsouth (DOT) net

November 30, 2008

started actually " talking " at about age 15 months. She learned

the word and the sign for MORE. No kidding.. I was just trying to get her to

do the sign and she shouted MO while she signed it. I got her really

mad. I was holding out a snack just out of her reach.

She did squeal a bit and babble a bit at 12 months... When she wanted to

nurse she said / cried " Mim mim " We called nursing Ninny and it was a combo

of Momma and Ninny.

She is three now and has a good vocab of signs. Even her alphabet. However

her OT is delayed alot and while " WE " know her sign variations not everyone

would. SHe can say 3-4 word sentences if coached. Like a repeat after me...

I - Want- cookie - Please. She sings quite well. She likes the Singing times

songs alot. She also likes alleluia.

Lot of one words and phrases. " wash " - luv you- kisses- All done- Here ya

go mom- Get off that- That mine- OFF me- NO NAP ! and MEAN Ta ME ( yeah..

she is the youngest of six can't you tell )

None of our friends with Down S talk like does. Most are only

children or only one or two kids in the family. Some know more signs.. but

our friends range in age from 2-3 and they are all just working on 2-3 word

sentences. is Homeschooled but for her IEP evaluations 2-3 word

sentences were a goal. They told me it was cause the " phrases " she speaks

don't count. < shrug> I say they do. Most of her stuff has just started

between Sept.. when she turned three and now.

Steph

[DownSyndromeInfoExchange] when did your child start talking???

> Hello all

>

> I vowed never to look at any developmental milestone charts anymore, but

> I did anyway and as expected, I'm left with the nagging question when

> the he** is going to start talking???

> I had a look at DS authority Pueschels chart where it says that children

> with DS start talking in short sentences around 24 months on average,

> ranging from 18 to 46 months (children without DS: 21 on average/ranging

> from 14 to 32 months). (turning four next Thursday) is nowhere

> near that; he uses a few single words and some signs and that's just

> about it. Ok, so he might just be one of the very slow ones and a boy

> on top of it, but what perplexes me is the fact that of all kids with DS

> we have gotten to know during the last 4 years - which amounts to quite

> a big bunch - there is only ONE (a boy!) who started to speak 2-3 word

> sentences before he turned three which is why we call him the little

> profesor :-) So that makes me question the accuracy of Pueschels time

> frame.

> How old was your child with DS when he or she started to talk?

>

> /Switzerland

>

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November 30, 2008

had 50 words by age 3, I don't believe that he spoke any

before 2 1/2 years. By age 4 1/2, he spoke several 4 word sentences

remembered by his attitude " I don't like it " and " I don't have to " .

This was a rarity. He gradually progressed. We did the ICAN

neurodevelopment approach for one year, cranio osteopathic treatments

to 2 years and just let normal life do the rest. The ND program may

have helped and the osteopathic treatments definately helped

synergize speech, but we feel that was advantaged in speech

and would have done OK without the extra efforts. We cannot make any

claims as to how much the cranio treatments helped because when you

choose one path, you forgo the alternative path. In the end, we are

very pleased. As far as DS and talking go, has done very

well. We just have a talker and I'm not sure that all children with

DS who have had cranio treatments talk as well or as much as .

I feel that we made some good decisions but cannot claim that others

would have the same results.

, have you tried teaching to read? For some children,

reading (sight words) before talking has helped.

I think you are aware of the Mc approach.

Marsha

>

> is 4, has a large vocabulary in Portuguese and is starting

words in English. but she rarely puts two or 3 words together. Her

first word was at 2. I know a boy with DS who is eight and speaks

less than her, is very active and smart. He learned how to read and

write and It brought tears to my eyes to see some of his written

work. I have tried to get his mum to teach him signs or use some

assistive language device. I truly believe the goal is to communicate

and the older the child the more frustrated they become when they

cannot express what they mean.

>

> Pat

>

> Cammie Heflin escreveu:

,

> I am a speech pathologist and I work with kiddos 3-5 years. I have

only had

> one boy with DS who was verbal when he transitioned into my

program. He is

> now six and still nonverbal. He will use signs but not often. I

have a two

> (25 months)year old girl with DS that we got when she was nine

months old.

> She still has not said any words. She will use some signs but only

when she

> really feels like it! So keep encouraging speech at home, that is

the most

> important thing you can do!

>

> Cammie Heflin

> check out our blog!

> www.theheflinfamily.blogspot.com

>

> [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] when did your child start

talking???

>

> Hello all

>

> I vowed never to look at any developmental milestone charts

anymore, but

> I did anyway and as expected, I'm left with the nagging question

when

> the he** is going to start talking???

> I had a look at DS authority Pueschels chart where it says that

children

> with DS start talking in short sentences around 24 months on

average,

> ranging from 18 to 46 months (children without DS: 21 on

average/ranging

> from 14 to 32 months). (turning four next Thursday) is

nowhere

> near that; he uses a few single words and some signs and that's

just

> about it. Ok, so he might just be one of the very slow ones and a

boy

> on top of it, but what perplexes me is the fact that of all kids

with DS

> we have gotten to know during the last 4 years - which amounts to

quite

> a big bunch - there is only ONE (a boy!) who started to speak 2-3

word

> sentences before he turned three which is why we call him the

little

> profesor :-) So that makes me question the accuracy of Pueschels

time frame.

> How old was your child with DS when he or she started to talk?

>

> /Switzerland

>

> ------------------------------------

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November 30, 2008

Danny started to say one or two words when he was around 3, but

it ‘stuck’ at that level for a very long time. His speech has

improved dramatically in the last couple of years (‘coincidentally’

;-) within a couple of weeks after starting him on Gingko. He still has a lot

of trouble with articulation, but that is improving…but he can say longer

phrases now (10-13 words)

Reading (sight words) and signing really helped…the

signing was especially important because I could tell that he really knew what

a word was, even if I couldn’t understand what he was saying.)

Danny has ALWAYS had speech therapy…started when he was

just a couple of months old because he had a lot of feeding problems…but

in all honesty, that really didn’t help much until a couple of years

ago..then it just seemed like something clicked for him, and his therapies started

to actually show results . The good news is that he is steadily improving. I

think that the problem was that he was always getting traditional speech

therapy, and he just wasn’t able to do what they were asking him to do..

Kaufman’s method of breaking words down into ‘do able’ approximations,

then building on what the kid *can* do, has been helpful for

him.(example……..if the child can only make vowel sounds, then his approximation

for the word ‘apple’ might be ‘aaa’….so you

accept that as his version of the word, but model the ‘correct’

pronunciation…and then work on helping him say ‘ahp’ next…and

so on until he can say the whole word.

gave a workshop here a few months ago…I have the

files for her talk… I would be glad to send them to you privately if you

like.

Also, I went to a workshop by Libby Kumin at the NDSC convention

this summer, and she commented that people w/Ds can improve in their speech

ability throughout their lives…that it is never to late to work on

speech, and that parents should not give up hope if their kids aren’t

talking by age 6 or so, because she has seen many, many kids whose speech has improved

as they get older. (she and Dr. Sue Buckley both say that reading helps kids

w/Ds learn to talk, and they can learn to sight read around age 2)

KathyR(Danny is 10 ½ yrs old now)

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