Quaint thought of the day - 'doctors work for their patients'

[Guest guest]

Tony,

Your criticism is right on...the ugly business side of medicine is

producing more and more doctors and drug companies who see patients as

nothing more than 'annuities' (a future stream of income)...which

will only continue as long as the patient is NOT CURED:

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Disclosure Laws Do Not Fully Reveal Drug Company Payments to Physicians

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Mar 20 - Laws that mandate disclosure of

payments to physicians by pharmaceutical companies provide limited

public information, according to a new report....

....In the current study, reported in the March 21st issue of the

Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. ph S. Ross, from

Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, and colleagues examined

the accessibility and quality of information provided by the

disclosure laws in Minnesota and Vermont...

....The researchers found that obtaining the payment information was

not easy. In Vermont, extensive negotiation with the Office of the

Attorney General was needed, while in Minnesota, manual photocopying

of individual disclosure forms at the State Board of Pharmacy was

required.

Missing disclosure information was common in both states.

In Vermont, 61% of payments were not released to the public because

the drug companies classified them as revealing trade secrets and 75%

of disclosed payments lacked information to identify the recipient.

In Minnesota, just 25% of drug companies reported payment information

in all three years of the study.

Quite large payments to physicians were commonplace, the report

indicates. In Vermont, 2416 of the 12,227 payments studied were each

at least $100, amounting to a total of $1.01 million; the range was

$100 - $20,000 and the median payment was $177. In Minnesota, such

payments were even more common: 6238 of 6946 payments were at least

$100 (ranging up to $922,239, with a median payment of $1000), and

these amounted to $22.39 million.

In a related editorial, Dr. Troyen A. Brennan, from Aetna Inc. in

Hartford, Connecticut, and A. Mello, from Harvard School of

Public Health in Boston, comment that pharmaceutical companies'

" primary commitment is to create shareholder value, not maintain an

altruistic commitment to patients. But at some point the leadership of

the pharmaceutical industry and their board of directors must begin to

recognize that growing public and professional mistrust could

substantially detract from that value. "

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/553913?src=mp

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> Penny

> 'Im sorry but I get angry when people aren't doing anyone but

> themselves favours in medical circles...

> To be quite honest with you it's worth getting shut down, because all

> the rambling over the past couple of years hasn't helped anyone, nor

> encouraged any type of testing and comparing to get to the core of

> any problems.Personally I've had a gut full of trying to warn and

> encourage a little bit more information is required out of every

> test performed.I mean here we are thirty thousand doctors visits

> later from all the members on this forum and nothing has changed for

> anyone .So what are we going to do? keep up the same charade.Penny

> not one person has come back and said I pushed my doc a little harder

> for more information required on the last pathology test I had

> performed.I mean who are we kidding..nothings changed?

[Guest guest]

Yeah, basically got into the nitty gritty side of understanding how

useless mycoplasma testing was when I got insider information from

the lab technician on a few occasions over the phone.(this is a

sydney high tech pcr company)One simple question involved- what

organism is common with the rheumatoid arthritis crowd..The whole

thing drew blanc, after blanc.Most doctors that are decent know this

is hogwash medicine and I never thought I would support them, but you

have a theory and you can't follow up with treatment that's showing

an appropriate response- you should be asking questions in my book.

I even hate lida mattman for being at the forefront of some invisable

organism, stealth pathogen ideology and this is someone that ran a 70

year career that never helped anyone get better..........

We have 10 million people running around convinced they have lyme

disease without even seeing a spirochete. Here's a woman that spent

70 years cultivating, bathing, making clothing items for, and just

basically benefitting NOBODY... Me from the back streets of melbourne

can give you a few tips of what drugs work best for several organisms

without an extensive background in this field and mind you I can get

full support from one of my city's best microbiologists to second

what I observe.

So therefore I was following closely what was on offer at the

american end(mycoplasma scamming) and believe me I just smell a lot

of rats, ESPECIALLY WHEN WHAT " S GOING ON, IS BEHIND CLOSED

DOORS ....which I noticed mainly involves pcr testing and the labs

that charge astronomical amounts.

I suppose enough on this because regardless tommorrow someone will be

posting on how important and helpfull and serious a mycoplasma

positive is going to be in the scheme og things.

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> > Penny

> > 'Im sorry but I get angry when people aren't doing anyone but

> > themselves favours in medical circles...

> > To be quite honest with you it's worth getting shut down, because

all

> > the rambling over the past couple of years hasn't helped anyone,

nor

> > encouraged any type of testing and comparing to get to the core

of

> > any problems.Personally I've had a gut full of trying to warn

and

> > encourage a little bit more information is required out of every

> > test performed.I mean here we are thirty thousand doctors visits

> > later from all the members on this forum and nothing has changed

for

> > anyone .So what are we going to do? keep up the same

charade.Penny

> > not one person has come back and said I pushed my doc a little

harder

> > for more information required on the last pathology test I had

> > performed.I mean who are we kidding..nothings changed?

>