Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 I've been reading this long Ann Rev review on the NOD mouse: http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev.immunol.23.021704.11\ 5643?cookieSet=1 It's pretty good. Though knowing vaguely that they are supposed to be homozygous, I had never looked up the definition of an inbred mouse before, so I did. It's discussed in this Nature Group review: www.nature.com/ng/journal/v24/n1/full/ng0100_23.html But I didn't get much out of that one that I didn't already get faster here: " An inbred strain is one that has been maintained by sibling (sister x brother) matings for 20 or more consecutive generations. All of the standard JAX® Mice inbred strains have far surpassed 20 generations of inbreeding. " Ewww! " Except for the sex difference, mice of an inbred strain are as genetically alike as possible, being homozygous at virtually all of their loci. " http://jaxmice.jax.org/info/inbred.html The Nature Group paper says: " At 20 generations, on average at least 98.6% of the loci in each mouse are homozygous. Many strains have been bred for more than 150 generations and are essentially homozygous at all loci. Each inbred strain is also isogenic (genetically identical) because all individuals trace back to a common ancestor in the twentieth or a subsequent generation. " So, the NOD mouse has generally elevated immune disease potential, for both spontaneous and experimental immune diseases. It's missing one HLA locus. It also seems to have a non-wild-type single-aa variation at another HLA locus, one which carries quite a lot of the excess diabetes risk. That seems dreadfully artificial in one sense, but on the other hand there appears to be a comparable single-aa substitution that confers serious risk in humans, which is quite striking. The NOD could also be a pretty messed up little guy in general considering it is almost fully homozygous. What's interesting is that much of the genetic risk, other than that conferred by the mutant HLA allele, is not well characterized. The specificity of the pathogenic T cells also doesn't seem to have been the subject of much progress. That makes you wonder. You have to wonder if these varmints could have a vertically transmitted infection in the pancreas. The mice's isogenicity would certainly facilitate it's vertical transfer. The penetrance of diabetes in the NOD mouse is actually better under germ-free conditions (an interesting bit of evidence for the hygeine hypothesis). Germ-free mouse lines are propagated in sterile facilities and initially isolated by cesarean delivery of a germ-free progenitor infant, but what might that infant have acquired transplacentally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Humans will become extinct and the mouse will live on since they get cured with every treatment they are given. a > > I've been reading this long Ann Rev review on the NOD mouse: > > http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev.immunol.23 ..021704.115643?cookieSet=1 > > It's pretty good. > > Though knowing vaguely that they are supposed to be homozygous, I had > never looked up the definition of an inbred mouse before, so I did. > It's discussed in this Nature Group review: > > www.nature.com/ng/journal/v24/n1/full/ng0100_23.html > > But I didn't get much out of that one that I didn't already get faster > here: > > " An inbred strain is one that has been maintained by sibling (sister x > brother) matings for 20 or more consecutive generations. All of the > standard JAX® Mice inbred strains have far surpassed 20 generations of > inbreeding. " > > Ewww! > > " Except for the sex difference, mice of an inbred strain are as > genetically alike as possible, being homozygous at virtually all of > their loci. " > > http://jaxmice.jax.org/info/inbred.html > > The Nature Group paper says: > > " At 20 generations, on average at least 98.6% of the loci in each > mouse are homozygous. Many strains have been bred for more than 150 > generations and are essentially homozygous at all loci. Each inbred > strain is also isogenic (genetically identical) because all > individuals trace back to a common ancestor in the twentieth or a > subsequent generation. " > > So, the NOD mouse has generally elevated immune disease potential, for > both spontaneous and experimental immune diseases. It's missing one > HLA locus. It also seems to have a non-wild-type single-aa variation > at another HLA locus, one which carries quite a lot of the excess > diabetes risk. That seems dreadfully artificial in one sense, but on > the other hand there appears to be a comparable single-aa substitution > that confers serious risk in humans, which is quite striking. > > The NOD could also be a pretty messed up little guy in general > considering it is almost fully homozygous. What's interesting is that > much of the genetic risk, other than that conferred by the mutant HLA > allele, is not well characterized. The specificity of the pathogenic T > cells also doesn't seem to have been the subject of much progress. > That makes you wonder. > > You have to wonder if these varmints could have a vertically > transmitted infection in the pancreas. The mice's isogenicity would > certainly facilitate it's vertical transfer. The penetrance of > diabetes in the NOD mouse is actually better under germ-free > conditions (an interesting bit of evidence for the hygeine > hypothesis). Germ-free mouse lines are propagated in sterile > facilities and initially isolated by cesarean delivery of a germ- free > progenitor infant, but what might that infant have acquired > transplacentally? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 > What's interesting is that > much of the genetic risk, other than that conferred by the mutant HLA > allele, is not well characterized. Meaning, the risk-conferring regulatory or structural sequences associated with most of the known markers, have not been identified. > The specificity of the pathogenic T > cells also doesn't seem to have been the subject of much progress. > That makes you wonder. Well, that was much too strongly worded. It sounds like they do have T cell clones able to transfer disease. See also http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v5/n6/pdf/nm0699_601.pdf (There may be a question, however, of whether a given adoptive transfer gives a realistic T cell dose, or instead a supra-realistic one.) What they don't seem to be sure of is which T cell clones initially break tolerance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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