Re: Doris, please reply

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You were accused of overlooking B vitamins? Well, I took tons of Bs in various combinations and forms of administration for a long time. They're pretty old school, don't you think? In general, I like the Bs. They gave me a bit of a boost while making my urine much prettier, but to think our health regimen rides on them...? Sounds like 1997 instead of 2007, no? Oh well, I guess it makes as much sense as believing that our problems stem from glutathione depletion rather than consider that our glutathione depletion (along with numerous other nutrient depletions) stem from of our illness. Yasko reminds me of that other guy that was around for years. Can't think of his name right now. But he was always touring and selling his book which basically said there were a million supplements you were supposed to take. I did

that for years. Spents thousands and thousands on supplements. They didn't come close to a couple of weeks on Cipro. :-) pennypjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote: Doris, I hope you don't mind that I pulled your post off of experimental to here. (Ken L. isn't crazy about Yasko being on that list.) I remember you from the years Leslee Dudley ran the mycoplasma list. I would be most interested in a more detailed explanation of your recovery including how long you consider

yourself recovered. I have to say that I found your assumption that those of us who have been around awhile are still terribly sick and just haven't paid attention to Shoemaker or Rich V on Yasko as just your inference. Perhaps I am being paranoid and taking your comment personally when it was not aimed at me at all. I guess I like to think I have contributed a lot to humanity over the years I have remained active on these email lists and not a sign that I am terribly sick. (My current health issue seems more related to some damage or illness triggered a year ago by a throat exam than prior cfs or Lyme.)But mostly I am pretty annoyed with all the expensive Yasko stuff, most of which I have tried in some other form for years. You mention all the supplements on your kitchen counter - surely you must have already taken Yasko's stuff prior to now. I know Rich doesn't think I took the right products (B vitamins etc) so

I look forward to your detailed explanation of your total recovery.Below you will find your statement to Experimental.Thanks for any insights,a CarnesHi guysI haven't been reading much since I recovered but I decided to drop in and seewhat's going on. I am kind of following the genetic detox work aka Yakso,because that seems to be key.It is frustrating for me to see so many of you still on the list from years ago,and still sick. I was there with you for so many years, and I know howdifficult it is to figure out which of the "miracle theories" to spend yourenergy and money on. I know that if you were 100% sure one of them would work,you would completely invest yourself there, but it's impossible to know ahead oftime. And so many of the things I pursued throughout the years only lead topartial improvements, good sure, but not really what you're looking

for.Yes, I tried many many things and yes, a lot of them made a "slight"improvement. Maybe ultimately I needed all those slight improvements to getwell. But let me remind you, my MAIN problem was mold. In my case occupationalexposure to it. But now that I have been away from it for a few years I am 100%better. Not a little better, completely. I was very sick, unable to work foryears, extremely cognitively impaired, a shadow of my former self, and those ofyou who have been on the list a long time know I am not lying about this. I hadEBV and CMV and HHV6 and coag negative staph and mercury poisoning, MCS, and.... it makes me tired just remembering it. When I got away from the mold I gotbetter very quickly, but at first I needed cholestyramine. But over time everysymptom went away, and now I can go anywhere and do anything without anyproblems.And remember, I had NO warning

signs of mold. There was none of it visible inmy house or work, or anything that would make you suspicious. And yes, some ofyou may have 2 bad mold genes, and recover will be more difficult and you willhave to be more careful than me, who only has 1 bad mold gene.But my question to you is, how many of you have even had the test? It isn't thatexpensive, a few hundred dollars. How many of you have even read the book? What is it $20, or free at the library?Speaking as someone who has been there and is recovered... If I were sick again,I would of course focus on mold because I now know I am genetically susceptibleto problems with mold toxins. But next I would test for the toxin clearingproblems aka Yasko, because having yoru body tell you genetically what problemit has is such an amazing thing. To know where to focus, so you can block outthe rest of the clutter and focus on the

problems your body has. Sure it mightnot cure everybody but it sure is better than fussing around with things likecolonics, electrical devices, and silver; than buying hundreds of differentsupplements hoping to stumble upon the right one, which you would probably neverknow anyway because a change wouldn't be obvious and you wouldn't stick with itlong enough. (I still have an entire kitchen island full of half takensupplements, which cost me a hell of a lot more than a few tests.)From what I read, most of you still don't understand the basics behind moldtoxins, you don't know the difference between Mold (which is not a problem) andMold Toxins (which is a problem if you body genetically can't eliminate the moldtoxins.) Please just read Mold Warriers, a small commitment, then you candecide for yourself whether to take it any

further.Doris

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I wasn't overlooking B vitamins. My doctor decided I might be

overdosing because I have some kind of nerve damage - maybe.

So the blood tests she ordered show that all my B levels in blood are

way over normal, even my B 12. Rich V thinks maybe that means my body

is not absorbing the Bs. I don't know. I do know I am not starting

back on any Bs until this head pressure, balance thing clears up.

a

>

> You were accused of overlooking B vitamins?

>

> Well, I took tons of Bs in various combinations and forms of

administration for a long time. They're pretty old school, don't you

think? In general, I like the Bs. They gave me a bit of a boost while

making my urine much prettier, but to think our health regimen rides

on them...? Sounds like 1997 instead of 2007, no? Oh well, I guess

it makes as much sense as believing that our problems stem from

glutathione depletion rather than consider that our glutathione

depletion (along with numerous other nutrient depletions) stem from

of our illness.

>

> Yasko reminds me of that other guy that was around for years.

Can't think of his name right now. But he was always touring and

selling his book which basically said there were a million

supplements you were supposed to take. I did that for years. Spents

thousands and thousands on supplements. They didn't come close to a

couple of weeks on Cipro. :-)

>

> penny

>

> pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote:

> Doris, I hope you don't mind that I pulled your post off

of

> experimental to here. (Ken L. isn't crazy about Yasko being on that

> list.) I remember you from the years Leslee Dudley ran the

mycoplasma

> list. I would be most interested in a more detailed explanation of

> your recovery including how long you consider yourself recovered. I

> have to say that I found your assumption that those of us who have

> been around awhile are still terribly sick and just haven't paid

> attention to Shoemaker or Rich V on Yasko as just your inference.

> Perhaps I am being paranoid and taking your comment personally when

> it was not aimed at me at all. I guess I like to think I have

> contributed a lot to humanity over the years I have remained active

> on these email lists and not a sign that I am terribly sick. (My

> current health issue seems more related to some damage or illness

> triggered a year ago by a throat exam than prior cfs or Lyme.)

>

> But mostly I am pretty annoyed with all the expensive Yasko stuff,

> most of which I have tried in some other form for years. You

mention

> all the supplements on your kitchen counter - surely you must have

> already taken Yasko's stuff prior to now. I know Rich doesn't think

I

> took the right products (B vitamins etc) so I look forward to your

> detailed explanation of your total recovery.

>

> Below you will find your statement to Experimental.

>

> Thanks for any insights,

> a Carnes

>

> Hi guys

> I haven't been reading much since I recovered but I decided to drop

> in and see

> what's going on. I am kind of following the genetic detox work aka

> Yakso,

> because that seems to be key.

>

> It is frustrating for me to see so many of you still on the list

from

> years ago,

> and still sick. I was there with you for so many years, and I know

how

> difficult it is to figure out which of the " miracle theories " to

> spend your

> energy and money on. I know that if you were 100% sure one of them

> would work,

> you would completely invest yourself there, but it's impossible to

> know ahead of

> time. And so many of the things I pursued throughout the years only

> lead to

> partial improvements, good sure, but not really what you're looking

> for.

>

> Yes, I tried many many things and yes, a lot of them made a " slight "

> improvement. Maybe ultimately I needed all those slight

improvements

> to get

> well. But let me remind you, my MAIN problem was mold. In my case

> occupational

> exposure to it. But now that I have been away from it for a few

years

> I am 100%

> better. Not a little better, completely. I was very sick, unable to

> work for

> years, extremely cognitively impaired, a shadow of my former self,

> and those of

> you who have been on the list a long time know I am not lying about

> this. I had

> EBV and CMV and HHV6 and coag negative staph and mercury poisoning,

> MCS, and

> .... it makes me tired just remembering it. When I got away from

the

> mold I got

> better very quickly, but at first I needed cholestyramine. But over

> time every

> symptom went away, and now I can go anywhere and do anything

without

> any

> problems.

>

> And remember, I had NO warning signs of mold. There was none of it

> visible in

> my house or work, or anything that would make you suspicious. And

> yes, some of

> you may have 2 bad mold genes, and recover will be more difficult

and

> you will

> have to be more careful than me, who only has 1 bad mold gene.

>

> But my question to you is, how many of you have even had the test?

It

> isn't that

> expensive, a few hundred dollars. How many of you have even read

the

> book?

> What is it $20, or free at the library?

>

> Speaking as someone who has been there and is recovered... If I

were

> sick again,

> I would of course focus on mold because I now know I am genetically

> susceptible

> to problems with mold toxins. But next I would test for the toxin

> clearing

> problems aka Yasko, because having yoru body tell you genetically

> what problem

> it has is such an amazing thing. To know where to focus, so you can

> block out

> the rest of the clutter and focus on the problems your body has.

Sure

> it might

> not cure everybody but it sure is better than fussing around with

> things like

> colonics, electrical devices, and silver; than buying hundreds of

> different

> supplements hoping to stumble upon the right one, which you would

> probably never

> know anyway because a change wouldn't be obvious and you wouldn't

> stick with it

> long enough. (I still have an entire kitchen island full of half

taken

> supplements, which cost me a hell of a lot more than a few tests.)

>

> From what I read, most of you still don't understand the basics

> behind mold

> toxins, you don't know the difference between Mold (which is not a

> problem) and

> Mold Toxins (which is a problem if you body genetically can't

> eliminate the mold

> toxins.) Please just read Mold Warriers, a small commitment, then

you

> can

> decide for yourself whether to take it any further.

>

> Doris

>

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a

Everything we talk about on this list goes over your head for some

reason... Why don't you take a step back and get a PROPER SCAN OF

YOUR HEAD THAT WILL SHOW THE INFECTIONS AND THERE PATHWAYS..We warned

you not to get excited by the scans you were undertaking at the time,

several months ago, as 9 times out of 10 due to there poor

interpretation and inappropriate clarity, an answer to your problems

was highly unlikely.So why don't you take a shot at getting someone

with higher tech equipment and there attention to detail help get you

some answers.Artizona offers one of the best, and surprisingly your

neighbouring state..Also doris sounds like she's talking the right

talk -TOXINS and there removal and avoiding mold or stimulating your

infections (shoemaker)..

> > Doris, I hope you don't mind that I pulled your post

off

> of

> > experimental to here. (Ken L. isn't crazy about Yasko being on

that

> > list.) I remember you from the years Leslee Dudley ran the

> mycoplasma

> > list. I would be most interested in a more detailed explanation

of

> > your recovery including how long you consider yourself recovered.

I

> > have to say that I found your assumption that those of us who

have

> > been around awhile are still terribly sick and just haven't paid

> > attention to Shoemaker or Rich V on Yasko as just your inference.

> > Perhaps I am being paranoid and taking your comment personally

when

> > it was not aimed at me at all. I guess I like to think I have

> > contributed a lot to humanity over the years I have remained

active

> > on these email lists and not a sign that I am terribly sick. (My

> > current health issue seems more related to some damage or illness

> > triggered a year ago by a throat exam than prior cfs or Lyme.)

> >

> > But mostly I am pretty annoyed with all the expensive Yasko

stuff,

> > most of which I have tried in some other form for years. You

> mention

> > all the supplements on your kitchen counter - surely you must

have

> > already taken Yasko's stuff prior to now. I know Rich doesn't

think

> I

> > took the right products (B vitamins etc) so I look forward to

your

> > detailed explanation of your total recovery.

> >

> > Below you will find your statement to Experimental.

> >

> > Thanks for any insights,

> > a Carnes

> >

> > Hi guys

> > I haven't been reading much since I recovered but I decided to

drop

> > in and see

> > what's going on. I am kind of following the genetic detox work

aka

> > Yakso,

> > because that seems to be key.

> >

> > It is frustrating for me to see so many of you still on the list

> from

> > years ago,

> > and still sick. I was there with you for so many years, and I

know

> how

> > difficult it is to figure out which of the " miracle theories " to

> > spend your

> > energy and money on. I know that if you were 100% sure one of

them

> > would work,

> > you would completely invest yourself there, but it's impossible

to

> > know ahead of

> > time. And so many of the things I pursued throughout the years

only

> > lead to

> > partial improvements, good sure, but not really what you're

looking

> > for.

> >

> > Yes, I tried many many things and yes, a lot of them made

a " slight "

> > improvement. Maybe ultimately I needed all those slight

> improvements

> > to get

> > well. But let me remind you, my MAIN problem was mold. In my case

> > occupational

> > exposure to it. But now that I have been away from it for a few

> years

> > I am 100%

> > better. Not a little better, completely. I was very sick, unable

to

> > work for

> > years, extremely cognitively impaired, a shadow of my former

self,

> > and those of

> > you who have been on the list a long time know I am not lying

about

> > this. I had

> > EBV and CMV and HHV6 and coag negative staph and mercury

poisoning,

> > MCS, and

> > .... it makes me tired just remembering it. When I got away from

> the

> > mold I got

> > better very quickly, but at first I needed cholestyramine. But

over

> > time every

> > symptom went away, and now I can go anywhere and do anything

> without

> > any

> > problems.

> >

> > And remember, I had NO warning signs of mold. There was none of

it

> > visible in

> > my house or work, or anything that would make you suspicious. And

> > yes, some of

> > you may have 2 bad mold genes, and recover will be more difficult

> and

> > you will

> > have to be more careful than me, who only has 1 bad mold gene.

> >

> > But my question to you is, how many of you have even had the

test?

> It

> > isn't that

> > expensive, a few hundred dollars. How many of you have even read

> the

> > book?

> > What is it $20, or free at the library?

> >

> > Speaking as someone who has been there and is recovered... If I

> were

> > sick again,

> > I would of course focus on mold because I now know I am

genetically

> > susceptible

> > to problems with mold toxins. But next I would test for the toxin

> > clearing

> > problems aka Yasko, because having yoru body tell you genetically

> > what problem

> > it has is such an amazing thing. To know where to focus, so you

can

> > block out

> > the rest of the clutter and focus on the problems your body has.

> Sure

> > it might

> > not cure everybody but it sure is better than fussing around with

> > things like

> > colonics, electrical devices, and silver; than buying hundreds of

> > different

> > supplements hoping to stumble upon the right one, which you would

> > probably never

> > know anyway because a change wouldn't be obvious and you wouldn't

> > stick with it

> > long enough. (I still have an entire kitchen island full of half

> taken

> > supplements, which cost me a hell of a lot more than a few tests.)

> >

> > From what I read, most of you still don't understand the basics

> > behind mold

> > toxins, you don't know the difference between Mold (which is not

a

> > problem) and

> > Mold Toxins (which is a problem if you body genetically can't

> > eliminate the mold

> > toxins.) Please just read Mold Warriers, a small commitment, then

> you

> > can

> > decide for yourself whether to take it any further.

> >

> > Doris

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like she found the root of her problems- which was the

inability to clear toxins from mold.

Barb

Referenced POST

From what I read, most of you still don't understand the basics

behind mold

toxins, you don't know the difference between Mold (which is not a

problem) and

Mold Toxins (which is a problem if you body genetically can't

eliminate the mold

toxins.) Please just read Mold Warriers, a small commitment, then you

can

decide for yourself whether to take it any further.

Doris

[Guest guest]

Tony, my man, you are becoming tedious.

I'm the one here who went to Shoemaker, follows - who is a good friend - relgiously - takes Questran when needed - avoids the library because it is completely full of toxic mold. Hello, are you listening.

Doris is taking about YASKO!!!!

As to my head scans I have an apt. with arguably the best neuro in Vegas in 2 weeks. He will be looking at my brain MRI and CT scan. I have read tons of stuff about intracranial hypotension and hypertension. I know about depressions around the hypothalamus yada, yada, yada.

MEANWHILE MY HEADACHE IS IMPROVING BY DRINKING TONS OF COFFEE WITH CAFFEINE.

So, now I will quit yelling and await word from Doris on her miracle cure the rest of us somehow have missed.

The gang here on this email list, and, yes, we have been around for years, so what, should meet so we can all yell at each other and then have a good time. Y'all should visit Vegas sometime.

a

[Guest guest]

Penny, you know that is the way I think also. But I did two months of

diflucan both with penicillin and without. Right now I am taking

valtrex and Zithromax both at once - that could be why I feel better.

But the first day I got rid of the head pressure was the day I drank

20 oz of strong coffee at 6 pm and stayed up half the night wired.

a

>

> a, I agree with Tony. It's frustrating watching you chase every

rabbit down every rabbit hole, when I'd bet my house that you've got

an infection somewhere in your head that's causing all your troubles.

Based on everything I've heard from you for years, it's the only

thing that adds up for me. I mean " screams at me " . And I'm not

talking about myco and lyme, although they could be contributory

factors. I'm talking about your garden variety staphs and pseudomonas

that the docs and labs will not recognize and throw in the trash

without ever trying to see what they might be doing to you. Or you

might have a nasty actinomyces, which they're too incompetent to look

for or grow in the first place. And you've probably got some fungal

issues in there as well. Until you get someone willing to treat you

for those kinds of bugs, or can look at scans for the actual tracts

that have been worm holed in your head, you're just going to keep

going in circles.

>

> Sorry, but that's how I see it. And it's frustrating watching you

chasing all these other obscure answers when your problem's probably

as close as your own nose (or jaw). It sometimes results in some good

discussion, like the ICH topic, but again, it just keeps you focused

on the symptoms and distracted from the real causes.

>

> penny

>

>

>

> a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote:

> Tony, my man, you are becoming tedious.

>

> I'm the one here who went to Shoemaker, follows -

who is a good friend - relgiously - takes Questran when needed -

avoids the library because it is completely full of toxic mold.

Hello, are you listening.

>

> Doris is taking about YASKO!!!!

>

> As to my head scans I have an apt. with arguably the best neuro

in Vegas in 2 weeks. He will be looking at my brain MRI and CT scan.

I have read tons of stuff about intracranial hypotension and

hypertension. I know about depressions around the hypothalamus yada,

yada, yada.

>

> MEANWHILE MY HEADACHE IS IMPROVING BY DRINKING TONS OF COFFEE

WITH CAFFEINE.

>

> So, now I will quit yelling and await word from Doris on her

miracle cure the rest of us somehow have missed.

>

> The gang here on this email list, and, yes, we have been around

for years, so what, should meet so we can all yell at each other and

then have a good time. Y'all should visit Vegas sometime.

>

> a

>

[Guest guest]

HA, HA, HA, HA....I AM BECOMING A COFFEE-AHOLIC. HAVE TO DRINK IT BY

3 PM OR I AM IN DEEP *%$ &

PAULA

>

> PAULA! I'M GLAD YOUR HEADACHE IS IMPROVING BY DRINKING TONS OF

COFFEE!!!

> BUT ARE YOU SURE THERE AREN'T ANY SIDE EFFECTS?!!

>

> I'VE KNOWN CAFFEINE TO MAKE PEOPLE JUMPY AND/OR USE LOTS OF CAPITAL

> LETTERS!!

>

> AND EXCLAMATION POINTS!

>

> SORRY!! COULDN'T RESIST!!!

>

> --BOB!

>

> a Carnes wrote:

> >

> > Tony, my man, you are becoming tedious.

> >

> > I'm the one here who went to Shoemaker, follows -

who is

> > a good friend - relgiously - takes Questran when needed - avoids

the

> > library because it is completely full of toxic mold. Hello, are

you

> > listening.

> >

> > Doris is taking about YASKO!!!!

> >

> > As to my head scans I have an apt. with arguably the best neuro

in

> > Vegas in 2 weeks. He will be looking at my brain MRI and CT scan.

I

> > have read tons of stuff about intracranial hypotension and

> > hypertension. I know about depressions around the hypothalamus

yada,

> > yada, yada.

> >

> > MEANWHILE MY HEADACHE IS IMPROVING BY DRINKING TONS OF COFFEE

WITH

> > CAFFEINE.

> >

> > So, now I will quit yelling and await word from Doris on her

miracle

> > cure the rest of us somehow have missed.

> >

> > The gang here on this email list, and, yes, we have been around

for

> > years, so what, should meet so we can all yell at each other and

then

> > have a good time. Y'all should visit Vegas sometime.

> >

> > a

> >

>

[Guest guest]

a

If I where in vegas the first thing I'd do is come over to your place

and slap you a couple of times...You've been educated and educating

the whole world on these syndromes and something common to everyone

exacerbates in you and your AMAZED and just can't get your head

around this new mysterious aspect of your ilness.How amazing it is

your head problems fit in with what alot of our regulars seem

familiar with? a you just have to wake up and realise your pet

pursuits of mycoplasma and lyme-you've even written the books-don't

fit the gospel truth with these ilnesses.

On the DORIS query-You should actually go back and ask shoemaker if

he feels the coagulase negative staph toxins are the real toxins or

some imaginary mold toxins are the real toxins- he's educated himself

enough to know the truth.Everyone should hunt down the true reasons

for there Ills IMO, especially when you can observe the TOXINS doing

there wild thing in petri dishes..

And another surprise thing is your actually pointing people in the MP

direction? How can you do this when the godfather of understanding

inflammation doesn't appreciate the FACT that when your overweight

your 50% more likely to get cancer and diabetes- 2 major inflammatory

ilnesses.I didn't see fat ass post anything on this..He also has a

problem with understanding people can fuel there inflammation with

the wrong foods- it just doesn't happen in his opinion..Remember

everythings a herx............................................

tony

>

> Tony, my man, you are becoming tedious.

>

> I'm the one here who went to Shoemaker, follows - who

is a good

> friend - relgiously - takes Questran when needed - avoids the

library

> because it is completely full of toxic mold. Hello, are you

listening.

>

> Doris is taking about YASKO!!!!

>

> As to my head scans I have an apt. with arguably the best neuro in

Vegas in

> 2 weeks. He will be looking at my brain MRI and CT scan. I have

read tons of

> stuff about intracranial hypotension and hypertension. I know about

> depressions around the hypothalamus yada, yada, yada.

>

> MEANWHILE MY HEADACHE IS IMPROVING BY DRINKING TONS OF COFFEE WITH

CAFFEINE.

>

>

> So, now I will quit yelling and await word from Doris on her

miracle cure

> the rest of us somehow have missed.

>

> The gang here on this email list, and, yes, we have been around for

years,

> so what, should meet so we can all yell at each other and then have

a good

> time. Y'all should visit Vegas sometime.

>

> a

>