Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Thank you,I didnt mean for it to be a problem !! Ann , s Gram RE: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Christmas Trees This list was never intended to be *only* about Ds. As we have said before, Carol, and I started this list because we were tired of being told that we couldn’t say certain things on other lists, and we wanted a place where adults could calmly discuss a lot of different topics. So far, that concept is working pretty well, I think. One thing for sure is that we never intended to have it be was politically correct;-) No, people don’t have to be Christians in order to be a member of this list, but we can and do and will talk about topics from a Christian viewpoint from time to time. If people aren’t comfortable with that, there are a lot (probably the vast majority) of lists where such topics are not allowed, so it shouldn’t be hard for parents to find other sources of information and support if they have a problem with our list. People from all religions are welcome here, but I (for one) am not going to compromise what I believe to be true just because other people might choose to be offended by Christianity. The plain fact of the matter is, those pictures WERE pictures of Christmas trees..so why is it wrong to say that? No one was saying that those other religions can’t have their own holiday celebrations and traditions, just that *that* particular item is a “Christmas” tree. In the interest of full disclosure;-) my family does not celebrate Christmas…but that email did not offend me, and I honestly don’t see why it has to be an issue. People always have the option to just delete messages. KathyR From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of karenandcharlie01772Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:26 PMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Christmas Trees -I am curious what this has to do with Down syndrome and also, how welcoming would this be to a new parent who is looking for a group to help her when she is overwhelmed by a new baby or a new prenatal diagnosis and is looking for information, support and a community of friends if she happened to be Jewish or Muslim or another religion. Is this a Christian-only site? Aren't there plently of websites to promote a Christian-only perspective?-- In DownSyndromeInfoExchange , wrote:>> > > > > This is a Christmas Tree> > > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > and these are Christmas Trees also> > > These are NOT Holiday Trees> They are not Hanukkah bushes> They are not Allah plants> They are Christmas trees. > > Say it... > CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas> > Yes CHRISTmas - not Holiday> We are NOT celebrating the birth of a Holiday!!!> We are> Celebrating the Birth of > Jesus Christ!!!> So I would like to say to each and everyone of you> Have a Very Merry CHRISTMAS> and may GOD BLESS each and every one of you!!!> > Take a stand and pass this on !! > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 12/7/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 07/12/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 It wasn't :-) I enjoyed reading it. Irk's me that we seem to have an all out attack on Christmas these days in the name of religious freedom. Just because you celebrate Christmas, and say so, does not mean you are intolerant of other religions- unlike those who want to silence anything Christian. ;-)Merry Christmas!! Carol in ILMom to , 8 DS My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.Join our Down Syndrome information group - http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/ http://downsyndromeinfoexchange.blogspot.com/Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace.com/vennamusicFrom: "jkmantin@..." To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 6:36:29 AMSubject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Christmas Trees Thank you,I didnt mean for it to be a problem !! Ann , s Gram [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Re: Christmas Trees -I am curious what this has to do with Down syndrome and also, how welcoming would this be to a new parent who is looking for a group to help her when she is overwhelmed by a new baby or a new prenatal diagnosis and is looking for information, support and a community of friends if she happened to be Jewish or Muslim or another religion. Is this a Christian-only site? Aren't there plently of websites to promote a Christian-only perspective?-- In DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com, wrote:>> > > > > This is a Christmas Tree> > > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > and these are Christmas Trees also> > > These are NOT Holiday Trees> They are not Hanukkah bushes> They are not Allah plants> They are Christmas trees. > > Say it... > CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas> > Yes CHRISTmas - not Holiday> We are NOT celebrating the birth of a Holiday!!!> We are> Celebrating the Birth of > Jesus Christ!!!> So I would like to say to each and everyone of you> Have a Very Merry CHRISTMAS> and may GOD BLESS each and every one of you!!!> > Take a stand and pass this on !! > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 12/7/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 07/12/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I enjoyed it very much. Why should Christmas be taken out anyways? Oh they don't want to offend others but taking it out does offend me. Thank you for sending it and I did pass it on. RE: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Christmas Trees This list was never intended to be *only* about Ds. As we have said before, Carol, and I started this list because we were tired of being told that we couldn’t say certain things on other lists, and we wanted a place where adults could calmly discuss a lot of different topics. So far, that concept is working pretty well, I think. One thing for sure is that we never intended to have it be was politically correct;-) No, people don’t have to be Christians in order to be a member of this list, but we can and do and will talk about topics from a Christian viewpoint from time to time. If people aren’t comfortable with that, there are a lot (probably the vast majority) of lists where such topics are not allowed, so it shouldn’t be hard for parents to find other sources of information and support if they have a problem with our list. People from all religions are welcome here, but I (for one) am not going to compromise what I believe to be true just because other people might choose to be offended by Christianity. The plain fact of the matter is, those pictures WERE pictures of Christmas trees..so why is it wrong to say that? No one was saying that those other religions can’t have their own holiday celebrations and traditions, just that *that* particular item is a “Christmas” tree. In the interest of full disclosure;-) my family does not celebrate Christmas…but that email did not offend me, and I honestly don’t see why it has to be an issue. People always have the option to just delete messages. KathyR From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of karenandcharlie01772Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:26 PMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Christmas Trees -I am curious what this has to do with Down syndrome and also, how welcoming would this be to a new parent who is looking for a group to help her when she is overwhelmed by a new baby or a new prenatal diagnosis and is looking for information, support and a community of friends if she happened to be Jewish or Muslim or another religion. Is this a Christian-only site? Aren't there plently of websites to promote a Christian-only perspective?-- In DownSyndromeInfoExchange , wrote:>> > > > > This is a Christmas Tree> > > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > and these are Christmas Trees also> > > These are NOT Holiday Trees> They are not Hanukkah bushes> They are not Allah plants> They are Christmas trees. > > Say it... > CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas> > Yes CHRISTmas - not Holiday> We are NOT celebrating the birth of a Holiday!!!> We are> Celebrating the Birth of > Jesus Christ!!!> So I would like to say to each and everyone of you> Have a Very Merry CHRISTMAS> and may GOD BLESS each and every one of you!!!> > Take a stand and pass this on !! > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 12/7/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 07/12/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Thank you Carol and Merry Christmas to you too !!! Ann, s Gram [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Re: Christmas Trees -I am curious what this has to do with Down syndrome and also, how welcoming would this be to a new parent who is looking for a group to help her when she is overwhelmed by a new baby or a new prenatal diagnosis and is looking for information, support and a community of friends if she happened to be Jewish or Muslim or another religion. Is this a Christian-only site? Aren't there plently of websites to promote a Christian-only perspective?-- In DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com, wrote:>> > > > > This is a Christmas Tree> > > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > and these are Christmas Trees also> > > These are NOT Holiday Trees> They are not Hanukkah bushes> They are not Allah plants> They are Christmas trees. > > Say it... > CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas> > Yes CHRISTmas - not Holiday> We are NOT celebrating the birth of a Holiday!!!> We are> Celebrating the Birth of > Jesus Christ!!!> So I would like to say to each and everyone of you> Have a Very Merry CHRISTMAS> and may GOD BLESS each and every one of you!!!> > Take a stand and pass this on !! > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 12/7/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 07/12/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I agree as well. I get tired of all of the Christmas discussions as to who is right about what. Thanks Carol Carol P>> > > > > This is a Christmas Tree> > > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > and these are Christmas Trees also> > > These are NOT Holiday Trees> They are not Hanukkah bushes> They are not Allah plants> They are Christmas trees. > > Say it... > CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas> > Yes CHRISTmas - not Holiday> We are NOT celebrating the birth of a Holiday!!!> We are> Celebrating the Birth of > Jesus Christ!!!> So I would like to say to each and everyone of you> Have a Very Merry CHRISTMAS> and may GOD BLESS each and every one of you!!!> > Take a stand and pass this on !! > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 12/7/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 07/12/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 ....I know I do not need to say anything more but I just finished talking to my grandson,, who has ds, and told him about the Christmas tree email I sent and your reply......Well, here is his reply to you..... I am and Christmas is baby Jesus` birthday......Its important to me and I have ds so THATS what it has to do with ds.....if a mom came here cause her new baby had ds she wouldnt be mad about a Christmas tree,and she would probably know it was His birthday....From M. [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Christmas Trees -I am curious what this has to do with Down syndrome and also, how welcoming would this be to a new parent who is looking for a group to help her when she is overwhelmed by a new baby or a new prenatal diagnosis and is looking for information, support and a community of friends if she happened to be Jewish or Muslim or another religion. Is this a Christian-only site? Aren't there plently of websites to promote a Christian-only perspective?-- In DownSyndromeInfoExchange , wrote:>> > > > > This is a Christmas Tree> > > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > and these are Christmas Trees also> > > These are NOT Holiday Trees> They are not Hanukkah bushes> They are not Allah plants> They are Christmas trees. > > Say it... > CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas> > Yes CHRISTmas - not Holiday> We are NOT celebrating the birth of a Holiday!!!> We are> Celebrating the Birth of > Jesus Christ!!!> So I would like to say to each and everyone of you> Have a Very Merry CHRISTMAS> and may GOD BLESS each and every one of you!!!> > Take a stand and pass this on !! > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 12/7/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 07/12/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Well said !mommy to Ian and ....I know I do not need to say anything more but I just finished talking to my grandson,, who has ds, and told him about the Christmas tree email I sent and your reply......Well, here is his reply to you.....I am and Christmas is baby Jesus` birthday......Its important to me and I have ds so THATS what it has to do with ds.....if a mom came here cause her new baby had ds she wouldnt be mad about a Christmas tree,and she would probably know it was His birthday....From M. [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Christmas Trees-I am curious what this has to do with Down syndrome and also, how welcoming would this be to a new parent who is looking for a group to help her when she is overwhelmed by a new baby or a new prenatal diagnosis and is looking for information, support and a community of friends if she happened to be Jewish or Muslim or another religion. Is this a Christian-only site? Aren't there plently of websites to promote a Christian-only perspective?-- In DownSyndromeInfoExchange , wrote:>> > > > > This is a Christmas Tree> > > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > and these are Christmas Trees also> > > These are NOT Holiday Trees> They are not Hanukkah bushes> They are not Allah plants> They are Christmas trees. > > Say it... > CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas> > Yes CHRISTmas - not Holiday> We are NOT celebrating the birth of a Holiday!!!> We are> Celebrating the Birth of > Jesus Christ!!!> So I would like to say to each and everyone of you> Have a Very Merry CHRISTMAS> and may GOD BLESS each and every one of you!!!> > Take a stand and pass this on !! > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 12/7/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 07/12/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM>No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 :-)Tell THANKS!!He's my kinda guy. :-) Carol in ILMom to , 8 DS My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.Join our Down Syndrome information group - http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/ http://downsyndromeinfoexchange.blogspot.com/Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace.com/vennamusicFrom: "jkmantin@..." To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 2:32:28 PMSubject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Christmas Trees ....I know I do not need to say anything more but I just finished talking to my grandson,, who has ds, and told him about the Christmas tree email I sent and your reply......Well, here is his reply to you..... I am and Christmas is baby Jesus` birthday.... ..Its important to me and I have ds so THATS what it has to do with ds.....if a mom came here cause her new baby had ds she wouldnt be mad about a Christmas tree,and she would probably know it was His birthday.... From M._ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 That is BEAUTIFUL!Shari ....I know I do not need to say anything more but I just finished talking to my grandson,, who has ds, and told him about the Christmas tree email I sent and your reply......Well, here is his reply to you..... I am and Christmas is baby Jesus` birthday......Its important to me and I have ds so THATS what it has to do with ds.....if a mom came here cause her new baby had ds she wouldnt be mad about a Christmas tree,and she would probably know it was His birthday....From M. [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Christmas Trees -I am curious what this has to do with Down syndrome and also, how welcoming would this be to a new parent who is looking for a group to help her when she is overwhelmed by a new baby or a new prenatal diagnosis and is looking for information, support and a community of friends if she happened to be Jewish or Muslim or another religion. Is this a Christian-only site? Aren't there plently of websites to promote a Christian-only perspective?-- In DownSyndromeInfoExchange , wrote:>> > > > > This is a Christmas Tree> > > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > This is a Christmas Tree> > and these are Christmas Trees also> > > These are NOT Holiday Trees> They are not Hanukkah bushes> They are not Allah plants> They are Christmas trees. > > Say it... > CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas> > Yes CHRISTmas - not Holiday> We are NOT celebrating the birth of a Holiday!!!> We are> Celebrating the Birth of > Jesus Christ!!!> So I would like to say to each and everyone of you> Have a Very Merry CHRISTMAS> and may GOD BLESS each and every one of you!!!> > Take a stand and pass this on !! > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 12/7/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 07/12/2008 4:56 PM> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I sure will tell him......Not sure if picture attachments are allowed, but I am going to try...If it goes through, this is my and his 2 sisters and brother....... Ann, s Gram Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Christmas Trees ....I know I do not need to say anything more but I just finished talking to my grandson,, who has ds, and told him about the Christmas tree email I sent and your reply......Well, here is his reply to you..... I am and Christmas is baby Jesus` birthday.... ..Its important to me and I have ds so THATS what it has to do with ds.....if a mom came here cause her new baby had ds she wouldnt be mad about a Christmas tree,and she would probably know it was His birthday.... From M._ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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