Re: in **how** to give these signals

[Guest guest]

Sandi,

I think that having someone with AS or autism doing the social skills

training for children with these conditions is excellent. You know where

they're coming from, and instead of trying to make them over into NT's like

an NT would, you are actually working with how they are and showing them

ways that you have actually coped yourself.

Norah

>

> Reply-To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse

> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:26:43 +0800

> To: <AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse >

> Subject: Re: " in **how** to give these signals "

>

> As an aside - because I have AS, I felt quite justified in giving those

> children with difficulties in looking at the other person other techniques

> that they could use. Eg, look at their nose, look between the eyes. I

> don't see any problem helping them overcome something that caused me

> excrutiating difficulty as a child.

>

> sandi

[Guest guest]

Re: " in **how** to give these signals "

> >

> > ou've just hit the nail on its head. That's why anarchic communism is

just

> > cloud cuckoo land. This doesn't stop me yearning for a simpler less

> > competitive world, but we should recognise basic human nature. Courting

is

> > extremely competitive and we are not equally endowed with a sexy

physique or

> > social skills. It may seem a simplification but women tend to go for men

> > with earning potential or a high social status. I bet there was a

pecking

> > order even within a commune. Some may be intimiated by aggressively

> > assertive men and go for more caring types, hence the importance of

> > presentation. Everyone wants to be seen to be nice. Men tend to value

> > sexiness and sexual performance much more.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> " physically attractive. "

Another term to ponder in the sphere of semantic disposition....

[Guest guest]

Probably. It's probably left over from olden times when a man had to be

physically strong to protect his family. Maybe we have to evolve some more.

I know that doesn't help any of us here today though!

Norah

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> Reply-To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse

> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:38:27 -0000

> To: <AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse >

> Subject: Re: " in **how** to give these signals "

>

>

> Re: " in **how** to give these signals "

>>>

>>> ou've just hit the nail on its head. That's why anarchic communism is

> just

>>> cloud cuckoo land. This doesn't stop me yearning for a simpler less

>>> competitive world, but we should recognise basic human nature. Courting

> is

>>> extremely competitive and we are not equally endowed with a sexy

> physique or

>>> social skills. It may seem a simplification but women tend to go for men

>>> with earning potential or a high social status. I bet there was a

> pecking

>>> order even within a commune. Some may be intimiated by aggressively

>>> assertive men and go for more caring types, hence the importance of

>>> presentation. Everyone wants to be seen to be nice. Men tend to value

>>> sexiness and sexual performance much more.

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

> " Do their instincts tell them aggression equates masculinity? "

What type of a lexicographer would make the definition

of " aggression " equal to " masculinity " ?

(Is that, in essence, why W. Bush wants to show

his aggression towards Iraq--to prove his masculinity even

to his wife ?)

[Guest guest]

At 01:38 AM 12/22/02 -0000, Neil Gardner wrote:

>I never cease to be amazed how many women keep

>falling for aggressive males and potential wife beaters. Do their instincts

>tell them aggression equates masculinity?

Maybe it's a throwback to earlier times when a more aggressive man would

guard his territory and fight off predators more readily. Maybe with police

and laws to do most of the guarding and lawyers to fight off most of the

predators, men with this overly aggressive gene end up imploding and

becoming abusers?

Or maybe not. Biological and social evolution are such complex processes

that I wouldn't venture to make more than a tenative statement about them,

myself.

[Guest guest]

> " I know that doesn't help any of us here today though! "

Some of us are looking for help, whereas others amongst

us are not looking for help.

Even the word " help " has many multiple connotations,

far more than Merriam-Webster cam keep up with.....

Is the Porsche 911 a call for help?

[Guest guest]

>Biological and social evolution are such complex processes

>that I wouldn't venture to make more than a tenative statement

>about them, myself.

Hmmmmm.... I am pondering if all the variants of the autistic

spectrum could, in themselves, be considered a biological

and social evolution, and, as such, are just tentative " statements "

about areas of life on earth during the present epoch, with nothing

about them being absolute, in any way.... hmmmmmm...... \

[Guest guest]

Neil Gardner wrote:

Re: " in **how** to give these signals "

> And men look for women who are physically attractive.

>

Think that's what I meant. Yeah you always get exceptions. Some women will

go for creative types who may not have a fantastic earning potential, but

may make wonderful Dads. I never cease to be amazed how many women keep

falling for aggressive males and potential wife beaters. Do their instincts

tell them aggression equates masculinity?

Neil

--------------A lot has to do with having a lack of decent/loving fathering

abilities from fathers, I think. Its' probably likely women who end up with

abusive mates had abusive fathers as well. Not that it intentionally sought

out....but the kinds of personalities are attracted, unfortunately.

Nanne