Re: commercials butchering songs

[Guest guest]

--- Neil Gardner wrote:

> > Are you guys trying to psychoanalyse me?

---------Um, no,; you'd have to go visit larrylyons on

Asperger's Circle for that.

I have

> never liked AC/DC, so if

> there lyrics were a tad rebellious, i.e. marketed to

> appeal for " rebels

> looking for a cause " like me (as my Dad once

> described me). Anyhow I did

> like the Clash, and a taped copies of the vynil

> records often played in my

> Walkman, though I'd often improvise or radicalise

> the lyrics to my own

> liking. I remember the Clash when roared " I'm so

> Bored with the (f**ing) Yoo

> Ess Ay " and then two years later toured the States

> and had themselves

> photographed in a Cadillac. As for " All lost in a

> Supermarket " I still hear

> the garbled tape " Came in here for a special offer!

> Guaranteed personality!

> The problem is nobody really cared about the lyrics

> and it's cool to rebel

> as a teen before one settles down the serious

> business of competing in the

> rat race and conforming to mainstream myths like

> fashion, movie stars, rock

> stars, football legends etc.

------------- I cared about the Clash lyrics very

much. They were an inspiration for me. Prone to

depression anyway, perhaps the music affected the

seratonin levels in my brain, as they were a good

source of battling depression (along with others).

Please stop stereotyping me here. I was late

teen/early twenties when the Clash were about, and I

worked as a secretary for the Red Cross at the time.

I've never followed mainstream fashion in my life.

In many ways I was much

> more conformist back

> then, latching on to a counterculture and trying to

> pose cool. Wow, I even

> gate-crashed a Bowie Concert, fortunately

> outdoors, but was

> disappointed by the whole experience, just a mass of

> people in a field

> drinking booze and smoking... Big Deal! Why not

> listen to the albums?

-----------I never cared about conforming to any

counter culture but cared about what music gave me

inspiration. I'm sorry if your experience was

otherwise, but your cynacism about my own experience

does not take away from my experience of it!

>

Nanne

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" Instead of going to an office and working, he went for long walks inside

himself using his body as a map. " --- Ianthe Brautigan, on her father

Brautigan

[Guest guest]

Neil Gardner danced around singing:

>The problem is nobody really cared about the lyrics and it's cool to rebel

>as a teen before one settles down the serious business of competing in the

>rat race and conforming to mainstream myths like fashion, movie stars, rock

>stars, football legends etc.

It doesn't seem fair to me to judge musical groups based on the mentality

of their fans. If the group is indeed writing lyrics that are intelligent,

rebellious, and thought-provoking, what does it matter if some kid doesn't

get it? If you like the way something sounds, aren't you pandering more to

society by rejecting it based on who else likes it than you would be if you

followed your own preferences?

DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy

[Guest guest]

--- DeGraf wrote:

> Neil Gardner danced around singing:

> >The problem is nobody really cared about the lyrics

> and it's cool to rebel

> >as a teen before one settles down the serious

> business of competing in the

> >rat race and conforming to mainstream myths like

> fashion, movie stars, rock

> >stars, football legends etc.

>

> It doesn't seem fair to me to judge musical groups

> based on the mentality

> of their fans. If the group is indeed writing

> lyrics that are intelligent,

> rebellious, and thought-provoking, what does it

> matter if some kid doesn't

> get it? If you like the way something sounds,

> aren't you pandering more to

> society by rejecting it based on who else likes it

> than you would be if you

> followed your own preferences?

>

----------- B I N G O!!!

Nanne

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" Instead of going to an office and working, he went for long walks inside

himself using his body as a map. " --- Ianthe Brautigan, on her father

Brautigan

[Guest guest]

Re: commercials butchering songs

> Neil Gardner danced around singing:

> >The problem is nobody really cared about the lyrics and it's cool to

rebel

> >as a teen before one settles down the serious business of competing in

the

> >rat race and conforming to mainstream myths like fashion, movie stars,

rock

> >stars, football legends etc.

>

> It doesn't seem fair to me to judge musical groups based on the mentality

> of their fans. If the group is indeed writing lyrics that are

intelligent,

> rebellious, and thought-provoking, what does it matter if some kid doesn't

> get it? If you like the way something sounds, aren't you pandering more

to

> society by rejecting it based on who else likes it than you would be if

you

> followed your own preferences?

>

Trouble is I like some music despite the lyrics. Basically, I agree the

worldview of other admirers should not influence one's musical tastes, but I

referred to the agenda of the record companies and entertainment business as

a whole. First, they aim to make profits. Second, they promote artists who

appeal to a given target audience. Third, they hire artists who can easily

be manipulated, e.g. the example of rock stars who later sold out to

commercialism and/or big government lock, stock and barrel. Virtually all we

know about these celebs is filtered through the mass media anyway. The

current UK regime used an athem " It can only get Better " throughout its 1997

election campaign and, hell, even played Lennon's " Imagine " from an

election bus. I still like the song though. Makes one wonder how party

bosses can reconcile " imagine all the people... living life in peace " with

" To hell with the UN, let's bomb Iraq anyway! " .

I suddenly realised the other day I'd learned Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite

(which I occasionally whistle) from a 1970s ad for Cadbury's Fruit and Nut

bar. I doubt the Russian composer considered his music's potential for

chocolate bar marketing in the 1870s.

Neil

[Guest guest]

--- Neil Gardner wrote:

> >

> I suddenly realised the other day I'd learned

> Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite

> (which I occasionally whistle) from a 1970s ad for

> Cadbury's Fruit and Nut

> bar. I doubt the Russian composer considered his

> music's potential for

> chocolate bar marketing in the 1870s.

>

> Neil

>

----------Well, my familiarity with come classical

music came from old Bugs Bunny cartoons.

Nanne

=====

" Does it mean I should take a machete? To chop my way through the path of life?

Does it mean I should run with the dog pack? Is that the way to be the one to

survive? Never need a gun says T'ai Chi, move on up to dragon snaps his tail:

All by the still water, hammer with his eye on the nail; Is the music of grove

school rock, soaked in the diesals of war boys war? Blood, black gold and the

face of a judge, is the music calling for a river of blood?--- " Corner Soul " , ,

Joe Strummer/Mick

[Guest guest]

> >

> ----------Well, my familiarity with come classical

> music came from old Bugs Bunny cartoons.

I was an adult before I learned that the Tell Overture was

actually a piece of classical music and not just the theme to the Lone

Ranger. :-)

I still can't hear " Ride of the Valkyries " without hearing Elmer Fudd

singing " Kill the wabbit! Kill the wabbit! K-i-i-ll the wabbit! "

Iris

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[Guest guest]

" Iris M. Gray " wrote:

>

>

>

> > >

> > ----------Well, my familiarity with come classical

> > music came from old Bugs Bunny cartoons.

>

> I was an adult before I learned that the Tell Overture was

> actually a piece of classical music and not just the theme to the Lone

> Ranger. :-)

>

> I still can't hear " Ride of the Valkyries " without hearing Elmer Fudd

> singing " Kill the wabbit! Kill the wabbit! K-i-i-ll the wabbit! "

All of which I, as a classical music fan, think is just fine. In one

sense, anything that gets people interested is good. [i was introduced

to classical music, now a lifelong love in its own right, by Carl

Sagan's " Cosmos " television series (which is about astronomy.)] In

another sense, classical music is part of culture, and should not be put

on a pedestal and made to be kept pure of all contact with other parts

of culture. Just today, I was listening to the wonderful nationwide

(National Public Radio) classical music show Performance Today, when the

host introduced Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody by talking about the cartoon

where Bugs Bunny plays it.

Doug

[Guest guest]

--- Doug O'Neal wrote:

> " Iris M. Gray " wrote:

> >

> All of which I, as a classical music fan, think is

> just fine. In one

> sense, anything that gets people interested is good.

> [i was introduced

> to classical music, now a lifelong love in its own

> right, by Carl

> Sagan's " Cosmos " television series (which is about

> astronomy.)] In

> another sense, classical music is part of culture,

> and should not be put

> on a pedestal and made to be kept pure of all

> contact with other parts

> of culture. Just today, I was listening to the

> wonderful nationwide

> (National Public Radio) classical music show

> Performance Today, when the

> host introduced Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody by

> talking about the cartoon

> where Bugs Bunny plays it.

>

> Doug

>

------------I think that your attitude about that is

pretty neat, for a serious classical music lover.

Some people would pooh-pooh some of us little peon's

less 'cultured' experience with it!

Nanne

P.S. I often have the radio during the day on the

classical music station; but I don't know what any of

it is.

=====

" Does it mean I should take a machete? To chop my way through the path of life?

Does it mean I should run with the dog pack? Is that the way to be the one to

survive? Never need a gun says T'ai Chi, move on up to dragon snaps his tail:

All by the still water, hammer with his eye on the nail; Is the music of grove

school rock, soaked in the diesals of war boys war? Blood, black gold and the

face of a judge, is the music calling for a river of blood?--- " Corner Soul " , ,

Joe Strummer/Mick

[Guest guest]

Neil wrote:

>> I suddenly realised the other day I'd learned

>> Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite

>> (which I occasionally whistle) from a 1970s ad for

>> Cadbury's Fruit and Nut bar.

>> bar.

and Nanne responded:

> ----------Well, my familiarity with come classical

>music came from old Bugs Bunny cartoons.

My parents bought us (my siblings and me) several

records that had shories for children accompanied

by classical music excerpts. Fortunately, I can

suppress the stories when I am listening to the

music in question, but if I think of the music

when I'm not listening to a recording of it, I

also hear the story being told. It's kind of fun,

actually.

My mother loved Cadbury Fruit and Nut bars.

Jane

[Guest guest]

Doug wrote:

>In the '50's, there was a British duo, Flanders and Swann, that was kind

>of a highbrow version of Weird Al Yankovic.

We (my natal family) had one of their records, and my brother

gave me a two-CD set of their songs a few years ago.

Jane

[Guest guest]

Re: commercials butchering songs

I love Tom Lehrer's music. Thanks to Tom Lehrer, several generations of

students have developed the ability to remember all the elements of the

periodic table to the tune of Gilbert and Sullivan's " I am the very model

of a modern major-general " from " Pirates of Penzance. "

Hi,

I never did hear that, but I did hear " Poisoning Pigeons In The Park " on the

Dr. Demento site once (I'm a big fan of novelty records, both old and new).

Has anyone ever heard of a guy who called himself Yogi Yorgeson? He was

popular back in the fifties, and used to sing in a funny Swedish accent, usually

Christmas songs ( " Yingle Bells " ). I first heard Yogi's records when I was a

cartooning instructor in Colorado--every Christmas the guy I worked with would

play one of the old records, along with those of Stan Freberg and Spike .

We'd play Spike records as " mood music " when we were working on ideas for

our respective comic strips...

Someone pointed out the extensive use of classical music in Warner's cartoons.

Chuck , who did most of them, was the studio's resident intellectual and

probably the most well-read of any of the animators, so naturally his more

refined tastes, along with that devastating wit of his, would creep into his

work. He was the one that sent up Wagner's " Ring of the Niebelungen " so

beautifully ( " Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit... " ) He had to falsify his time

sheets to get a couple of extra weeks to work on the cartoon--the idiot

producer, Eddie Selzer, thought Chuck was working on a Road Runner cartoon for

two weeks when he was actually finishing up the other cartoon...

[Guest guest]

--- Newstead wrote:

>

> Has anyone ever heard of a guy who called himself

> Yogi Yorgeson? He was popular back in the fifties,

> and used to sing in a funny Swedish accent, usually

> Christmas songs ( " Yingle Bells " ). I first heard

> Yogi's records when I was a cartooning instructor in

> Colorado--every Christmas the guy I worked with

> would play one of the old records, along with those

> of Stan Freberg and Spike . We'd play Spike

> records as " mood music " when we were working

> on ideas for our respective comic strips...

------------Say, there are still old Stan Freberg and

Spike albums of my dads down in the basement. I

need to buy a stylus for my record player soon.

There is also one by a Rusty Warren called " Knockers

Up! "

Nanne

>

> Someone pointed out the extensive use of classical

> music in Warner's cartoons. Chuck , who did

> most of them, was the studio's resident intellectual

> and probably the most well-read of any of the

> animators, so naturally his more refined tastes,

> along with that devastating wit of his, would creep

> into his work. He was the one that sent up Wagner's

> " Ring of the Niebelungen " so beautifully ( " Kill the

> wabbit, kill the wabbit... " ) He had to falsify his

> time sheets to get a couple of extra weeks to work

> on the cartoon--the idiot producer, Eddie Selzer,

> thought Chuck was working on a Road Runner cartoon

> for two weeks when he was actually finishing up the

> other cartoon...

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Reply-To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse

> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:12:32 -0600

> To: <AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse >

> Subject: Re: commercials butchering songs

>

>

> I never did hear that, but I did hear " Poisoning Pigeons In The Park " on the

> Dr. Demento site once (I'm a big fan of novelty records, both old and new).

I used to love hearing Dr. Demento's show! Is he still around?

>

> Has anyone ever heard of a guy who called himself Yogi Yorgeson? He was

> popular back in the fifties, and used to sing in a funny Swedish accent,

> usually Christmas songs ( " Yingle Bells " ). I first heard Yogi's records when I

> was a cartooning instructor in Colorado--every Christmas the guy I worked with

> would play one of the old records, along with those of Stan Freberg and Spike

> . We'd play Spike records as " mood music " when we were working on

> ideas for our respective comic strips...

I think I remember hearing him, probably on Dr. Demento's show! I love Stan

Freberg's stuff too. I've heard several of his radio show from back in the

1950's.

Norah

[Guest guest]

Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:36 PM

> >

> ----------Well, my familiarity with come classical

> music came from old Bugs Bunny cartoons.

> Nanne

>

)...There are so many snippets of classical music that immediately bring

images of Bugs Bunny to my mind. I somehow doubt that that is the imagery

that the composers had in mind when the pieces were written, but then again,

who's to say that Mozart wasn't picturing Elmer Fudd in drag when he wrote

The Marriage of Figaro.

On a related note...I absolutely love the music that is used in the Little

Bear cartoons. It's so much more sophisticated than the vast majority of

cartoon music.

[Guest guest]

--- Rakus wrote:

>

> )...There are so many snippets of classical music

> that immediately bring

> images of Bugs Bunny to my mind. I somehow doubt

> that that is the imagery

> that the composers had in mind when the pieces were

> written, but then again,

> who's to say that Mozart wasn't picturing Elmer Fudd

> in drag when he wrote

> The Marriage of Figaro.

>

> ----lolol....Yes, and the image of Elmer Fudd in

drag confused me a great deal when I was a child, ha!

Speaking of Elmer Fudd, one of my absolute

favorite reggae/dub singers, Mikey Dread, sounds

amazingly like Elmer Fudd. I keep waiting for him to

sing about " Cwazy Wabbits-in-a-Wub-a-Dub-Style " , ha!

Nanne

=====

" Does it mean I should take a machete? To chop my way through the path of life?

Does it mean I should run with the dog pack? Is that the way to be the one to

survive? Never need a gun says T'ai Chi, move on up to dragon snaps his tail:

All by the still water, hammer with his eye on the nail; Is the music of grove

school rock, soaked in the diesals of war boys war? Blood, black gold and the

face of a judge, is the music calling for a river of blood?--- " Corner Soul " , ,

Joe Strummer/Mick

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> Someone pointed out the extensive use of classical music in Warner's

>cartoons. Chuck , who did most of them, was the studio's resident

>intellectual and probably the most well-read of any of the animators, so

>naturally his more refined tastes, along with that devastating wit of his,

>would creep into his work.

My knowledge of cartoons is limited (not because I've got

anything against them, simply because I haven't had much

contact with them), but once a friend took me to a movie

theater to see several of the original Betty Boop

cartoons. They were a lot of fun and made good use of

music by Cab Calloway, which I enjoy.

Jane

[Guest guest]

Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:31 AM

> Doug wrote:

> >In the '50's, there was a British duo, Flanders and Swann, that was kind

> >of a highbrow version of Weird Al Yankovic.

>

> We (my natal family) had one of their records, and my brother

> gave me a two-CD set of their songs a few years ago.

>

> Jane

>

Their CDs can be ordered from Amazon.com. I ordered one based on Doug's

review. Sounds like something that I will find quite entertaining ).

[Guest guest]

Oh, yes--the Max Fleischer cartoons were very radical in their choice of music,

and extremely risque. That's because the staff was composed of young, very

streetwise Brooklyn and Lower East Side guys, unlike the largely Midwestern

Disney staff.

I read an interesting story about Fleischer and Cab Calloway in Cabarga's

book about Fleischer. When in New York, Fleischer would often invite Calloway to

his home, and continued to do so when the studio moved to Miami in the late

thirties. Until, that is, he got an ominous note (which, if I recall, was

attached to a rock) reading " Don't invite any more n*gg*rs to your

house....: " and it was signed " The Ku Klux Klan " . Fleischer got a rather chilling

welcome to the Deep South.

Re: commercials butchering songs

wrote:

> Someone pointed out the extensive use of classical music in Warner's

>cartoons. Chuck , who did most of them, was the studio's resident

>intellectual and probably the most well-read of any of the animators, so

>naturally his more refined tastes, along with that devastating wit of his,

>would creep into his work.

My knowledge of cartoons is limited (not because I've got

anything against them, simply because I haven't had much

contact with them), but once a friend took me to a movie

theater to see several of the original Betty Boop

cartoons. They were a lot of fun and made good use of

music by Cab Calloway, which I enjoy.

Jane

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>I read an interesting story about Fleischer and Cab Calloway in

>Cabarga's book about Fleischer. When in New York, Fleischer would often

>invite Calloway to his home, and continued to do so when the studio moved

>to Miami in the late thirties. Until, that is, he got an ominous note

>(which, if I recall, was attached to a rock) reading " Don't invite any

>more n*gg*rs to your house....: " and it was signed " The Ku Klux Klan " .

>Fleischer got a rather chilling welcome to the Deep South.

When I was ten or eleven, my mother took a temp job at

Reader's Digest at Christmas time. One night she got a

ride home with a co-worker whose uncle had come to pick

her (the co-worker) up. The uncle as Cab Calloway. My

mother enjoyed the brief contact with him very much,

but I didn't know anything about him at the time.

Jane