Re: Things I don't understand

[Guest guest]

Antryg Windrose dreamed lazily into the stars:

>They would pay you lots of money to appear all over the crappy daytime

>TV shows that bored NTs watch.

Ah, of course, in which case the title would be:

" Autistic women that fall in love with their stalkers** and then kill the

Son of A Major Deity! "

**not a real stalker, that's just how some people interpreted it...which I

find quite amusing. ;^)

Ok, off to campus...

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[Guest guest]

I just had to interject here.. not all of us are being carted around in

sacks of flesh. Some of us are carted around in sacks of shit like my

parents. One of the main reasons that I never want to have children is

that I know I would be unable to parent them properly (as my own mother

was.. she simply could not cope and did not want a child.. I was an

accident with a less happy ending than Max). So, I do not want to be

another abusive sack of shit parent like my own and perpetuate the cycle.

CZ

That was the reason I went through the adoption process; certain and

frightened that due to the abuse received from my father I would then perpetrate

against a child. I suppose awareness has a great deal to do with whether that

may be the outcome.....it is not true that all abused people end up abusing

their own kids (although we hear about it a lot); there's surely a good number

who end up being compassionate and decent parents. Not stating this b/c of

trying to change your mind, mind you; just pointing it out.

Nanne

[Guest guest]

ViridianThumm@... wrote:

> I just had to interject here.. not all of us are being carted around

> in sacks of flesh. Some of us are carted around in sacks of shit like

> my parents. One of the main reasons that I never want to have

> children is that I know I would be unable to parent them properly (as

> my own mother was.. she simply could not cope and did not want a

> child.. I was an accident with a less happy ending than Max). So, I

> do not want to be another abusive sack of shit parent like my own and

> perpetuate the cycle.

>

> CZ

>

> That was the reason I went through the adoption process; certain and

> frightened that due to the abuse received from my father I would then

> perpetrate against a child. I suppose awareness has a great deal to

> do with whether that may be the outcome.....it is not true that all

> abused people end up abusing their own kids (although we hear about

> it a lot); there's surely a good number who end up being

> compassionate and decent parents. Not stating this b/c of trying

> to change your mind, mind you; just pointing it out. Nanne

I know that. I was talking about myself not people in general. I know

that I would be unable to raise a child without abusing it. I have

extremely low threshold for noise and visual stimulus and I get very ill

if I do not sleep 8 hours a night at regular times (and I take

medication to enforce this schedule). I also have OCD with contamination

fears being a major part of it and children are one of the biggest

sources of germs that I can think of (other than poor hygeine and

rubbish dumps or something like that). Regardless of abuse from my

parents, I think the ways autism affects me would prevent me being a

good mother. Add the abuse of my parents onto that and there is no

chance in hell of me either wanting to be a mother or being able to.

CZ

[Guest guest]

> For those that don't like abortion, adoption is

> always an option: plenty of couples want an infant.

Unfortunately, abortion and birth control are often not paid for by

various medical insurance plans. I've been fortunate that my

government-subsidised prescription drugs include birth control pills, or

I'd be shelling out a lot of money for condoms.

Some women are actually putting their health at risk if they try to carry

a pregnancy to term. Yes, they should take precautions to prevent it from

happening, but if you happen to live in a city where the only hospital is

run by the Catholic Church, you can't get birth control *or* an abortion

or a tubal ligation or any other form of " reproductive health services "

(aside from prenatal care) from any of the doctors there.

Iris

Iris Gray, Puff, Calli and Munchkin

Cogito Eggo sum - I think, therefore I am a waffle.

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[Guest guest]

> (I do apologize to the tax-earning majority for having needed help;

> it horrifies me whenever I think about it, and I am doing my best to get

> out of that category.)

I don't know what it's like where you live, but even when I've been

unemployed I've still paid taxes. I pay 7 percent provincial tax on all

purchases except food, and 7 percent federal tax on all purchases

including foods deemed " luxuries " (junk food and food eaten in

restaurants, and food for my cats and my hamster.)

I once saw someone on disability being reamed out in an online discussion

group for visiting a casino " and spending the taxpayer's money. " Well, all

our politicians are paid with " the taxpayer's money. " If a person owns a

business and pays taxes, then their employees are paid with " taxpayer's

money. " If one of them visits a casino, aren't *they* spending the

taxpayer's money?

My government recently cut income tax and then slashed all social

programs. I would rather keep taxes where they were or even increase them,

and keep the social programs, because I depended on them when I was

unemployed and I often feel like I'm just one misstep from being

unemployed again.

Iris

Iris Gray, Puff, Calli and Munchkin

Cogito Eggo sum - I think, therefore I am a waffle.

Personal website: http://victoria.tc.ca/~rainbow/

Toastmasters website: http://victoria.tc.ca/Community/Bb/

[Guest guest]

> You and Parrish (and whoever else ) can pat yourselves on

your backs as smugly as you want to, I will neither apologize for

having been a sexual being nor raise myself onto a pedestal for my

periods of celibacy.

If that's what you think we're asking you to do, I suggest you re-

read our posts. We have no problem with people shagging, just with

people shagging and refusing to take responsibility for it.

> Meanwhile, I think I will sit back and enjoy myself, raising

my son on your tax dollars, being thankful for it and never

apologizing for it!

Well, at least you're honest. I'll have to give you credit for

that. I'm paying to raise your children, fine; conversely, as soon

as I've chosen the car I want, I'll send you the payment book for

it. Just to show how generous I am, though, I'll pay for my own gas

and insurance.

[Guest guest]

Hey, I have been quietly watching and reading these posts and I have to say that

it's really getting offensive.  As a soon to be single parent how dare you say I

cannot do this.  I would also let you know that I have spent about $4000aus just

*getting* pregnant.   This was no " oh, let's see I think I'll sleep with someone

and oh gee, I forgot to use any protection. "  This was planned - emotionally and

financially.  It took 2 hard years of treatment and surgeries.  

--=---Congratulations to you, Sandi. When is your baby due?

Do you have a pretty good support system of friends, family, etc?

Here's wishing you the best and that you don't have to run into and be

clobbered by that opinion at all.

Nanne

[Guest guest]

Hi Nanne,

Bubs is due in February. I am halfway there so far. My support system is ok.

I have an ex-girlfriend/partner who is still a good friend and my parents are

super excited about this baby too. I have been having counselling over the last

few years and decided to continue it knowing that having a baby is pretty

stressful - so I have a bit of a safety net there too. (Nothing like an aspie

to plan things out huh?)

Fertility treatments were pretty stressful too, and I figure if I could afford

$650 every other month or so, I could afford to have a baby. Now *that* really

tested my financial committment. LOL!

It's really nice finally feeling bubs move around and kick - but it does have

shades of " Alien " ! I still don't know whether it's a girl or a boy because they

had their little legs crossed at the last ultrasound. If they don't reveal it

at the next 34 week ultrasound, it's going to remain a mystery until birth.

(Personally, I think that's what they want!) I am *sure* it's a boy though...

sandi

--=---Congratulations to you, Sandi. When is your baby due?

Do you have a pretty good support system of friends, family, etc?

Here's wishing you the best and that you don't have to run into and be

clobbered by that opinion at all.

Nanne

[Guest guest]

Sandi dreamed lazily into the stars:

>Fertility treatments were pretty stressful too, and I figure if I could

>afford $650 every other month or so, I could afford to have a baby. Now

>*that* really tested my financial committment. LOL!

Looks like it for the first couple of years, but I hope you have a good job

for after that:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/articles/family/kids/tlkidscost.asp

Yikes, I thought feeding/housing/vetting 20 cats was expensive... *shudder*

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Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness.

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