Re: borrelia (antibiotics)

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I think bacterial (and viral ) burden over a life-time definitely

takes it's toll - and may be the cause of alot of disease we do not

(right now) attribute to latent viruses - or ones that go latent that

we don't know about - and latent bactial infections (Drs. just don't

want to believ in THAT religon).

I have a fiend right now that has not been right (just got the CF dx)

since her well documented bout as an adult with Parvovirus B19 -

she's in the medical field herself- with alot of good contacts- great

relationships with Drs. universities, etc and she's having a hell of

a time getting treated with any more than anti-depressants AND heavy

duty pain killers. Although they admit it's 'probably' chronic

parvo -no one wants to treat her becuase they don't have a treatment

quideline for chronic parvo... Hmmmmmmm sound familiar???

All I know is that my (abx) treatment was like a miracle for me.

Other than Lyme- I'm sure other bacteria was killed (good and bad -

the caaualties of war). And Penny knows I agree that it's best if you

can ID the bugs and the abx that will be effective BEFORE you ingest

the abx...

Barb

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> , I'm just using staph as an example of a tough bug, but if you

identify any organism and take the drugs it tests sensitive to and

you have a favorable response, how can you say that there's not a

really good likelihood that you've got a bacterial problem? Who cares

if other bugs are getting killed in the process? All the better.

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> I'm using staph as a good candidate for serious investigation

because we know it's common, deadly, and extremely resistant to

treatment AND that it overpowers a lot of other bugs (with it's own

anti-microbial toxins). So if you can impact staph with a drug, then

you've got a good chance of killing whatever else might be involved

in making you sick. If by chance, one of those secondary bugs is

actually resistant to the drug the staph is sensitive to, then you

could suddenly develop symptoms of that other bug's

[Guest guest]

I have a friend who contracted malaria and almost died well over a decade ago. What's worse is, every few years now he can have a "flare up" for apparently no reason, and he has almost died of Malaria a couple more times since then. The doctors recognize this latent infection as real, why can't they open their minds enough to know that we might have other bugs that go through cycles of dormancy and destruction as well? penny Barb Peck <egroups1bp@...> wrote: I think bacterial (and viral ) burden over a life-time definitely takes it's toll - and may be the cause of alot of disease we do not (right now) attribute to latent viruses - or ones that go latent that we don't know about - and latent bactial infections (Drs. just don't want to believ in THAT religon).I have a fiend right now that has not been right (just got the CF dx) since her well documented bout as an adult with Parvovirus B19 - she's in the medical field herself- with alot of good contacts- great relationships with Drs. universities, etc and she's having a hell of a time getting treated with any more than anti-depressants AND heavy duty pain killers. Although they admit it's 'probably' chronic parvo -no one wants to treat her becuase they don't have a treatment quideline for chronic parvo... Hmmmmmmm sound familiar???All I know is that my

(abx) treatment was like a miracle for me. Other than Lyme- I'm sure other bacteria was killed (good and bad - the caaualties of war). And Penny knows I agree that it's best if you can ID the bugs and the abx that will be effective BEFORE you ingest the abx...Barb>> , I'm just using staph as an example of a tough bug, but if you identify any organism and take the drugs it tests sensitive to and you have a favorable response, how can you say that there's not a really good likelihood that you've got a bacterial problem? Who cares if other bugs are getting killed in the process? All the better. > > I'm using staph as a good candidate for serious investigation because we know it's common, deadly, and extremely resistant to

treatment AND that it overpowers a lot of other bugs (with it's own anti-microbial toxins). So if you can impact staph with a drug, then you've got a good chance of killing whatever else might be involved in making you sick. If by chance, one of those secondary bugs is actually resistant to the drug the staph is sensitive to, then you could suddenly develop symptoms of that other bug's

[Guest guest]

> All I know is that my (abx) treatment was like a miracle for me.

Mine was too. Yours is more significant scientifically because you

were sick 10-20x longer. Mine would be more likely to be, perhaps, a

coincidence of treatment attempt and unrelated spontaneous remission.

Still, I don't think that's very likely.

Just wish the damn miracle would have lasted me a lot longer...

well... I'm still far, far better than I once was.

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Can't they eradicate it completely? Is it multi drug resistant?

> I have a friend who contracted malaria and almost died well over a

decade ago. What's worse is, every few years now he can have a " flare

up " for apparently no reason, and he has almost died of Malaria a

couple more times since then.

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> The doctors recognize this latent infection as real, why can't

they open their minds enough to know that we might have other bugs

that go through cycles of dormancy and destruction as well?

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> penny

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My niece's husband grew up in Nigeria. He has malaria that cannot be

treated and occasionally relapses. I suspect this is the case with

most of us with borreliosis. I just talked with an MD who is a big

Lyme specialist. He and a couple of others are thinking that babesia

is a key player. It is, of course, very much like malaria. His

thinking as of now is to aggressively go after babesia first.

a Carnes

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> Can't they eradicate it completely? Is it multi drug resistant?

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> > I have a friend who contracted malaria and almost died well over a

> decade ago. What's worse is, every few years now he can have a " flare

> up " for apparently no reason, and he has almost died of Malaria a

> couple more times since then.

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> > The doctors recognize this latent infection as real, why can't

> they open their minds enough to know that we might have other bugs

> that go through cycles of dormancy and destruction as well?

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> > penny

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Apparently they hadn't a couple years back shen we were at a party wondering where he was. Turns out he suddenly got deathly sick and his fiance had to call an ambulance and get him to the hospital. She had no clue what was going on and he was too delirious to to help. So far, they haven't been able to completely cure him from what I understand. penny <usenethod@...> wrote: Can't they eradicate it completely? Is it multi drug

resistant?> I have a friend who contracted malaria and almost died well over adecade ago. What's worse is, every few years now he can have a "flareup" for apparently no reason, and he has almost died of Malaria acouple more times since then.> > The doctors recognize this latent infection as real, why can'tthey open their minds enough to know that we might have other bugsthat go through cycles of dormancy and destruction as well?> > penny>

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That is such an insult to intelligence to ewven think that babaesia

which is nothing like a bloodstream swarming with malaria can be such

an invisable problem.

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> My niece's husband grew up in Nigeria. He has malaria that cannot

be

> treated and occasionally relapses. I suspect this is the case with

> most of us with borreliosis. I just talked with an MD who is a big

> Lyme specialist. He and a couple of others are thinking that

babesia

> is a key player. It is, of course, very much like malaria. His

> thinking as of now is to aggressively go after babesia first.

>

> a Carnes

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> > Can't they eradicate it completely? Is it multi drug resistant?

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> > > I have a friend who contracted malaria and almost died well

over a

> > decade ago. What's worse is, every few years now he can have

a " flare

> > up " for apparently no reason, and he has almost died of Malaria a

> > couple more times since then.

> > >

> > > The doctors recognize this latent infection as real, why can't

> > they open their minds enough to know that we might have other bugs

> > that go through cycles of dormancy and destruction as well?

> > >

> > > penny

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Bloodstream doesn't " swarm with babesia. " It lives inside red blood

cells, deforms them, causes them to not flow through capillaries, and

the red blood cells may die early.

Perhaps based on Dr. Les Simpson's work (remember him?)

hydroxycobalamin helps these infected cells to survive. Maybe we

really don't know why Yasko's treatments actually work.

This study suggests that babesia is a pandemic.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search & DB=pubmed

Med Mal Infect. 2006 Oct 3; [Epub ahead of print]

[Human babesiosis.]

[Article in French]

* Meliani P,

* Khatibi S,

* Randazzo S,

* Gorenflot A,

* Marchou B.

Service des maladies infectieuses et tropicales, hopital Purpan,

place du Docteur-Baylac, 31059 Toulouse, France.

Babesia is one of the most ubiquitous and widespread blood

parasite in the world based on numbers and distribution of species in

animals.

The clinical presentation may vary according to the incriminated

species. In some states of the USA this kind of infection is endemic;

the number of cases reported in Europe is inferior but more life-

threatening. A better understanding of parasite specificities such as

cycle and pathogenicity allowed to suggest treatment guidelines

adapted to the different clinical and microbiological situations.

PMID: 17027216 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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> That is such an insult to intelligence to ewven think that babaesia

> which is nothing like a bloodstream swarming with malaria can be

such

> an invisable problem.

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> > ,

> > My niece's husband grew up in Nigeria. He has malaria that cannot

> be

> > treated and occasionally relapses. I suspect this is the case

with

> > most of us with borreliosis. I just talked with an MD who is a

big

> > Lyme specialist. He and a couple of others are thinking that

> babesia

> > is a key player. It is, of course, very much like malaria. His

> > thinking as of now is to aggressively go after babesia first.

> >

> > a Carnes

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> > > Can't they eradicate it completely? Is it multi drug resistant?

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> > > > I have a friend who contracted malaria and almost died well

> over a

> > > decade ago. What's worse is, every few years now he can have

> a " flare

> > > up " for apparently no reason, and he has almost died of Malaria

a

> > > couple more times since then.

> > > >

> > > > The doctors recognize this latent infection as real, why

can't

> > > they open their minds enough to know that we might have other

bugs

> > > that go through cycles of dormancy and destruction as well?

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> > > > penny

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