Re: MP info in Rosner's new book

[Guest guest]

Excuse me. This claims that the mp is like the bees knees for lyme

disease therapy and recovery...I'm findng that someone who's total

emphasis is on suffering via the herx bullshit mechanisms of action-

needs to re-invent the crap he is serving up.

>

> Rosner's new Lyme Disease book is now available! Entitled " The

> Top 10 Lyme Disease Treatments. " Learn more, read excerpts, and order

> here:

>

> http://www.lymebook.com/top10book

>

[Guest guest]

So this seems to be implying that Rosner believes the MP to be

one of the top 10 lyme treatments? I guess we have our answer on how

credible the book really is, since there's nothing very credible yet to

base that assertion on.

The overview of the book looks to me like a compilation of everything

on the internet that the author likes, with a good dose of rife. Why

would I want to pay for this again?

You also have to wonder, since so many protocols he has tried are

passionately asserted to be the best in curing him, how many " cures " is

he going to need? If he's doing so well, why does he keep looking for

more cures?

Sorry if I sound cynical, but I've seen so many of these " helpful "

guides marketed on the internet that do nothing but parrot all the

popular treatments of the day, try to convince us they're real without

solid evidence, and ultimately add nothing to our understanding. What's

worse is they take our money and waste our time & energy, the latter of

which we really can't afford to waste.

Sorry, I'm just not buying it. Figuratively and literally.

>

> Rosner's new Lyme Disease book is now available! Entitled " The

> Top 10 Lyme Disease Treatments. " Learn more, read excerpts, and order

> here:

>

> http://www.lymebook.com/top10book

>

[Guest guest]

Penny

The only part of the read that made sense is the fact that you need

muliple disciplines to conquer this ilness. It's pretty obvious

CHRONIC CONDITIONS respond to therapies, but don't clear up due to

the long standing injuries that have accumulated.The other buzz word

he used which made me puke was the way the MP potentiates the

antibiotic therapy- this in my opinion is retarded, because it just

doesn't happen like that I'm afraid.

********all of a sudden headache clears 6 hours later as though a

switch is flicked. Rapid improvement again with no treatment*********

I COULDN'T HELP BUT QUOTE SOMEONE'S EXPERIENCE GOING INTO HOSPITAL

WITH A MENINIGITIS LIKE CONDITION..

i WANTED TO EMPHASIS THE '''''BACTERIAL SWITCH THAT CAN BE

FLICKED''' TO SWICTH ON AND OFF THESE CONDITIONS..Another thought for

the mold crowd/and others is how newer hospitals tend to control the

climate to give NO ABILITY for these bacterial switches to go ON..-I

spent a month in a new hospital environemnt and nothing whilst under

the influence of that environment ever switched on..( i suppose

similar to the environmental avoidance of mold followed by someone

else on another group)..

> >

> > Rosner's new Lyme Disease book is now available!

Entitled " The

> > Top 10 Lyme Disease Treatments. " Learn more, read excerpts, and

order

> > here:

> >

> > http://www.lymebook.com/top10book

> >

>

[Guest guest]

<pennyhoule@...> wrote:

>

> I should correct myself to say that it is possible that Benicar may

interact with some drugs depending on an individual's own metabolic

pathways, and could cause reactions that appear to be " potentiating "

of another drug, but to describe it as a stand alone " potentiator " or

enhancer of other drugs is baseless, imo.

>

> penny

I have to agree with what Ken said here a few months ago, basically

that benicar could be potentiating. But I also agree that it's far

from proved.

A paper by A Azenabor provides a possible mechanism. He found two

calcium channel blockers that were able to somewhat increase the abx

sensitivity of chlamydiae located in macrophages, a millieu in which

they are normally highly abx tolerant. Calcium flux through these

channels is involved in macrophage activation, so the effect of the

drugs would be to reduce activation of the macrophages, and,

presumably, thus permit the chlamydiae to increase their metabolic

activity.

(However, a quick investigation into one of these drugs made it look

like they would not be safe, or at least probably not known to be

safe, at the concentrations Azenabor found effective. I assumed the

other drug was probably similar.)

Benicar presumably can de-activate macrophages via antagonism of

angiotensin signaling (though I don't know much about that), thus it

could perhaps accomplish something like what Azenabor accomplished

with his Ca++ channel blockers.