Re: beta-lactam's vs. villainous shape-shifters

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Roy

I filled out a questionaire with newcastle university and was

fortunate to talk to a researchers wife, mcquire, or something

similar, and he also did a paper on accepting our disease as

staphylococcal TOXEMIA instead of cfs/fibromyalgia. He was big on

believeing we needed a vaccine, or so his wife said.

She told me that in the questionaires a lot of people recall doing an

antibiotic in the preseading period before falling ill.

This also makes sense because we have a condition that is switched on

and off by several factors and creating resistant organisms that

share there information with all 1 trillion of your resident

organisms, is a recipe for disaster.

So if you do antibiotics of any description you want to make sure

they are doing there job and eradicating an infection not annoying

and twisting up a super infection.

tony

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Some abx may be better than others at generating L-forms, but Mattman

does state that basically all abx are capable of it.

I also wonder, what's the significance of generating some L-forms from

classical forms in your body? There certainly could be a significance,

but I don't know of any examples. It's true that some L-forms are

unrevertable to classical forms in vitro, or have difficulty

reverting, so I guess that does suggest that inducing L-forms in your

body could lead to a long-term increase in L-formness of the bacterial

population.

I don't think L-forms and variants such as lyme borrelial cysts have

all that many special properties per se. It seems like these

morphological changes are just another correlate of the low

metabolisms and stress responses bacteria use to survive noxious

circumstances. I think its the latter changes that make more of a

difference.

The morphological changes in the bacteria do probably lead to some

changes in their immunogenicity. Mattman has some examples. But I

think these changes are usually pretty subtle.

> Borrelia burgdorferi vs. Beta-Lactam antibiotics (cephalosporins and

> penicillins)

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> Staphylococcus aureus vs. Beta-Lactam antibiotics

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> Staph wins. <http://tinyurl.com/572yt

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> Tony wrote about surveys done in Australia indicating antibiotic use

> prior to CFS in many patients. I am not aware of any similar data.

> It would be interesting to know which antibiotics those were. I

> think I took penicillin for tonsillitis the year before I got sick in

> 1970 and some after. There has long been a dogmatic principal among

> many people that all antibiotics are bad. I'm convinced that they

> are not all bad, but that the beta-lactams are for some portion of

> the population very bad.

> Roy

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> case anybody is seeing double :-)

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Penny

You have to go back and look how pathetic the record fopr treating

ear infections in children with antimicrobials is.The failure rate

was over 80%(possably over 90 can't recall) and the FDA doesn't

approve antibiotics for ear infections anymore.

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