RE: funny/true/interesting/maddening column on health

[Guest guest]

What was the point of writingor publishing an article like this. It's shameful.

You convinced me Elaine. I'm not reading it.

[Guest guest]

http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

This is a horrible article and I don't believe a newspaper with any

credibility should have published it. It's not even well-written and

is full of opinions from someone who apparently doesn't have much

knowledge on the subject on which he writes. It's the kind of

information that fuels discrimination. What was the point of writing

or publishing an article like this. It's shameful.

Elaine

> In today's SF Chronicle.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

>

> But what I have seen more than anything else,

> more frightening and distressing and still

> inexplicable and no matter how much of it you

> see you still can't quite grasp the magnitude

> and the soul-numbing tragedy, the bizarre foreignness

> of it, especially if you're from San Francisco or

> anywhere that revels in relative health and fitness

> and body consciousness -- what I have seen is obesity.

>

> Keep at it! I am going to try and break away and do

> a nice walk right now.

>

> --Chris

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elaine and --

Well, the fact that you read this trash

tells me that you are as demented as the author. One paragraph was enough for

me…

Re:

funny/true/interesting/maddening column on health

http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

This is a horrible article and I don't believe a

newspaper with any

credibility should have published it. It's

not even well-written and

is full of opinions from someone who apparently

doesn't have much

knowledge on the subject on which he writes.

It's the kind of

information that fuels discrimination. What

was the point of writing

or publishing an article like this. It's

shameful.

Elaine

On 2/23/06, Chris

wrote:

> In today's SF Chronicle.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

>

> But what I have seen more than anything

else,

> more frightening and distressing and

still

> inexplicable and no matter how much of

it you

> see you still can't quite grasp the

magnitude

> and the soul-numbing tragedy, the

bizarre foreignness

> of it, especially if you're from San Francisco or

> anywhere that revels in relative health

and fitness

> and body consciousness -- what I have

seen is obesity.

>

> Keep at it! I am going to try and break

away and do

> a nice walk right now.

>

> --Chris

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I tend to agree with you. I assume the author thought

he was being funny, but I don't find this kind of

attitude funny. (Ok, the analogy of something being as

rare as a gay Latino at a GOP convention was cute, I

will admit that)

Boy, he sure doesn't think much of people from the

Mid-West and Central States! Being Hoosier, I took

offense. And you are right, it wasn't well written.

Mona

--- Elaine wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

>

> This is a horrible article and I don't believe a

> newspaper with any

> credibility should have published it. It's not even

> well-written and

> is full of opinions from someone who apparently

> doesn't have much

> knowledge on the subject on which he writes. It's

> the kind of

> information that fuels discrimination. What was the

> point of writing

> or publishing an article like this. It's shameful.

>

> Elaine

>

> On 2/23/06,

> wrote:

> > In today's SF Chronicle.

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

> >

> > But what I have seen more than anything else,

> > more frightening and distressing and still

> > inexplicable and no matter how much of it you

> > see you still can't quite grasp the magnitude

> > and the soul-numbing tragedy, the bizarre

> foreignness

> > of it, especially if you're from San Francisco or

> > anywhere that revels in relative health and

> fitness

> > and body consciousness -- what I have seen is

> obesity.

> >

> > Keep at it! I am going to try and break away and

> do

> > a nice walk right now.

> >

> > --Chris

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I take offense at that statement. I read the article.

That does not make me demented. I usually read

something BEFORE I decide I disagree with it. If

after reading one paragraph, you decided you were not

interested in reading the rest, fine. But that does

not give you the right to insult those who chose to

read more.

Good day,

Mona

--- Graham wrote:

> Elaine and --

>

>

>

> Well, the fact that you read this trash tells me

> that you are as demented as

> the author. One paragraph was enough for me…

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Re:

> funny/true/interesting/maddening

> column on health

>

>

>

> HYPERLINK

> " http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k " http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

>

> This is a horrible article and I don't believe a

> newspaper with any

> credibility should have published it. It's not even

> well-written and

> is full of opinions from someone who apparently

> doesn't have much

> knowledge on the subject on which he writes. It's

> the kind of

> information that fuels discrimination. What was the

> point of writing

> or publishing an article like this. It's shameful.

>

> Elaine

>

> On 2/23/06,

> wrote:

> > In today's SF Chronicle.

> >

> > HYPERLINK

> " http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k " http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

> >

> > But what I have seen more than anything else,

> > more frightening and distressing and still

> > inexplicable and no matter how much of it you

> > see you still can't quite grasp the magnitude

> > and the soul-numbing tragedy, the bizarre

> foreignness

> > of it, especially if you're from San Francisco or

> > anywhere that revels in relative health and

> fitness

> > and body consciousness -- what I have seen is

> obesity.

> >

> > Keep at it! I am going to try and break away and

> do

> > a nice walk right now.

> >

> > --Chris

> >

> >

>

>

> HYPERLINK

>

" http://www.thefatmanwalking.com/ " http://www.thefatmanwalking.com/

> Keep walking Steve!!!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You are all shooting the messenger. There is a health crisis. This

guy is delineating it in a cynical mean-spirited way. However what he

is saying is true.

[Guest guest]

me either!

[Guest guest]

You are correct. There is a health crisis. But, this

man's article and attitude don't do anything to help

anyone. He is only poking fun at people he views as

below him.

Even at that, I was not that upset by the article. I

don't car what he thinks, and he didn't insult or

humiliate any specific person(he didn't name names).

What I found rude was the person in this group who

insulted two other group members because they read the

article. Most of the people in this group, at least

the ones who post regularly, are very sensitive and

understanding of other people's difficulties,

especially weight issues. I was upset by someone

unjustly striking out at kind people.

Mona

--- Al R wrote:

> You are all shooting the messenger. There is a

> health crisis. This

> guy is delineating it in a cynical mean-spirited

> way. However what he

> is saying is true.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The whole article was quite judgmental and negative, but I don't consider myself demented for reading it! And Mona, is it wrong to knock most of the things he knocked, but gays and Latinos are fair game and being negative toward them "cute"? I think not!Mona wrote: I tend to agree with you. I assume the author thoughthe was being funny, but I don't find this kind ofattitude funny. (Ok, the analogy of something being asrare as a gay Latino at a GOP convention was cute, Iwill admit that)Boy, he sure doesn't think much of people from theMid-West and Central States! Being Hoosier, I tookoffense. And you are right, it wasn't well written.Mona--- Elaine wrote:> http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k> > This is a horrible article and I don't believe a> newspaper with any> credibility should have published it. It's not even> well-written and> is full of opinions from someone who apparently> doesn't have much> knowledge on the subject on which he writes. It's> the kind of> information that fuels discrimination. What was the> point of writing> or publishing an article like this. It's shameful.> > Elaine> > > > In today's SF Chronicle.> >> > http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k> >> > But what I have seen more than anything else,> > more frightening and distressing and still> > inexplicable and no matter how

much of it you> > see you still can't quite grasp the magnitude> > and the soul-numbing tragedy, the bizarre> foreignness> > of it, especially if you're from San Francisco or> > anywhere that revels in relative health and> fitness> > and body consciousness -- what I have seen is> obesity.> >> > Keep at it! I am going to try and break away and> do> > a nice walk right now.> >> > --Chris> >> >>

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[Guest guest]

Everything Mona has said has reflected my own thoughts. Thanks, Mona.

Elaine

> You are correct. There is a health crisis. But, this

> man's article and attitude don't do anything to help

> anyone. He is only poking fun at people he views as

> below him.

>

> Even at that, I was not that upset by the article. I

> don't car what he thinks, and he didn't insult or

> humiliate any specific person(he didn't name names).

> What I found rude was the person in this group who

> insulted two other group members because they read the

> article. Most of the people in this group, at least

> the ones who post regularly, are very sensitive and

> understanding of other people's difficulties,

> especially weight issues. I was upset by someone

> unjustly striking out at kind people.

>

> Mona

>

> --- Al R wrote:

>

> > You are all shooting the messenger. There is a

> > health crisis. This

> > guy is delineating it in a cynical mean-spirited

> > way. However what he

> > is saying is true.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Very well said, Mona.

Speaking of nice people, has anyone heard from Shirley in Southern

Illinois since she had the double knee surgery??

>

> > You are all shooting the messenger. There is a

> > health crisis. This

> > guy is delineating it in a cynical mean-spirited

> > way. However what he

> > is saying is true.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rich,

You misunderstood me. Others may have too, so I want

to clear this up. I think any form of bigotry is

shameful and should not be tolerated. I DO NOT think

it is ok to knock gays or Latinos. I only thought the

" analogy " was cute because, to me, it rang true.

I have a wide array of friends and associates, many of

whom are Latino. Where I live there is a large

population of persons of Mexican descent. There is

one family in particular who use to be my neighbors

and are still great friends. I am often invited to

their family events; I love them dearly. Through

observing them and their Mexican friends, I have

developed a great respect for the Mexican people,

especially their sense of family. I also have, or

have had, friends who are Cuban, Argentinean, and

Puerto Rican. But, I have never met a Latino who was

openly gay (I assume they do exist).

I have had gay friends throughout my life. I have had

more than one gay roommate. There is a young man I

have helped out at times who calls me mom and hugs me

whenever we see each other; he is gay. Just last

night I was chatting on the phone with a family friend

who is trans-gender. Not one of these people are

Latino, nor would any of them be caught dead at a GOP

convention.

Most of my extended family are die-hard,

ultra-conservative Republicans, many of whom are also

bigots. Some of them still refer to blacks as " those

people " , think all Mexicans are lazy thieves, and

believe AIDS is God's curse on homosexuals.

So, if you put that all together, a gay Latino at a

GOP convention (at least in my mind) would be a pretty

rare sight. The analogy made me chuckle. I didn't see

it as being negative toward gays or Latinos. If

anything, it is negative toward Republicans.

Anyway, if anyone was offended by my comment, you have

my heart-felt apology. I would never intentionally

insult someone because of their national decent or

sexual orientation.

I hope that clears things up.

Mona

--- Rich Hardich wrote:

> The whole article was quite judgmental and negative,

> but I don't consider myself demented for reading it!

> And Mona, is it wrong to knock most of the things he

> knocked, but gays and Latinos are fair game and

> being negative toward them " cute " ? I think not!

>

> Mona wrote: I tend to agree

> with you. I assume the author thought

> he was being funny, but I don't find this kind of

> attitude funny. (Ok, the analogy of something being

> as

> rare as a gay Latino at a GOP convention was cute, I

> will admit that)

>

> Boy, he sure doesn't think much of people from the

> Mid-West and Central States! Being Hoosier, I took

> offense. And you are right, it wasn't well written.

>

> Mona

>

> --- Elaine wrote:

>

> > http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

> >

> > This is a horrible article and I don't believe a

> > newspaper with any

> > credibility should have published it. It's not

> even

> > well-written and

> > is full of opinions from someone who apparently

> > doesn't have much

> > knowledge on the subject on which he writes. It's

> > the kind of

> > information that fuels discrimination. What was

> the

> > point of writing

> > or publishing an article like this. It's

> shameful.

> >

> > Elaine

> >

> > On 2/23/06,

> > wrote:

> > > In today's SF Chronicle.

> > >

> > > http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

> > >

> > > But what I have seen more than anything else,

> > > more frightening and distressing and still

> > > inexplicable and no matter how much of it you

> > > see you still can't quite grasp the magnitude

> > > and the soul-numbing tragedy, the bizarre

> > foreignness

> > > of it, especially if you're from San Francisco

> or

> > > anywhere that revels in relative health and

> > fitness

> > > and body consciousness -- what I have seen is

> > obesity.

> > >

> > > Keep at it! I am going to try and break away

> and

> > do

> > > a nice walk right now.

> > >

> > > --Chris

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

> http://www.thefatmanwalking.com/

> Keep walking Steve!!!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Get Over it,

Stop Talking & Start Walking…

In

today's SF Chronicle.

http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

But what I have seen more than anything

else,

more frightening and distressing and still

inexplicable and no matter how much of it

you

see you still can't quite grasp the

magnitude

and the soul-numbing tragedy, the bizarre

foreignness

of it, especially if you're from San Francisco or

anywhere that revels in relative health and

fitness

and body consciousness -- what I have seen

is obesity.

Keep at it! I am going to try and break away

and do

a nice walk right now.

--Chris

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[Guest guest]

Mona, Beautifully written. Thank you. It has been said that any joke makes fun of something or somone, so offense could be taken. It is really hard not to offend somone in this PC world and its obvious you didn't mean to offend. You seem like a very nice and thoughtful person. But dang it, now I think you may have offended us diehard elephant herders.(lol) Have a great weekend!Mona wrote: Rich,You misunderstood me. Others may have too, so I wantto clear this up. I think any form of bigotry isshameful and should not be tolerated. I DO NOT thinkit is ok to knock gays or Latinos. I only thought the"analogy" was cute because, to me, it rang true.I have a wide array of friends and associates, many ofwhom are

Latino. Where I live there is a largepopulation of persons of Mexican descent. There isone family in particular who use to be my neighborsand are still great friends. I am often invited totheir family events; I love them dearly. Throughobserving them and their Mexican friends, I havedeveloped a great respect for the Mexican people,especially their sense of family. I also have, orhave had, friends who are Cuban, Argentinean, andPuerto Rican. But, I have never met a Latino who wasopenly gay (I assume they do exist).I have had gay friends throughout my life. I have hadmore than one gay roommate. There is a young man Ihave helped out at times who calls me mom and hugs mewhenever we see each other; he is gay. Just lastnight I was chatting on the phone with a family friendwho is trans-gender. Not one of these people areLatino, nor would any of them be caught dead

at a GOPconvention.Most of my extended family are die-hard,ultra-conservative Republicans, many of whom are alsobigots. Some of them still refer to blacks as "thosepeople", think all Mexicans are lazy thieves, andbelieve AIDS is God's curse on homosexuals.So, if you put that all together, a gay Latino at aGOP convention (at least in my mind) would be a prettyrare sight. The analogy made me chuckle. I didn't seeit as being negative toward gays or Latinos. Ifanything, it is negative toward Republicans.Anyway, if anyone was offended by my comment, you havemy heart-felt apology. I would never intentionallyinsult someone because of their national decent orsexual orientation.I hope that clears things up.Mona--- Rich Hardich wrote:> The whole article was quite judgmental and negative,> but I don't consider myself demented for

reading it!> And Mona, is it wrong to knock most of the things he> knocked, but gays and Latinos are fair game and> being negative toward them "cute"? I think not!> > Mona wrote: I tend to agree> with you. I assume the author thought> he was being funny, but I don't find this kind of> attitude funny. (Ok, the analogy of something being> as> rare as a gay Latino at a GOP convention was cute, I> will admit that)> > Boy, he sure doesn't think much of people from the> Mid-West and Central States! Being Hoosier, I took> offense. And you are right, it wasn't well written.> > Mona> > --- Elaine wrote:> > > http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k> > > > This is a horrible article and I don't believe a> >

newspaper with any> > credibility should have published it. It's not> even> > well-written and> > is full of opinions from someone who apparently> > doesn't have much> > knowledge on the subject on which he writes. It's> > the kind of> > information that fuels discrimination. What was> the> > point of writing> > or publishing an article like this. It's> shameful.> > > > Elaine> > > > > > > In today's SF Chronicle.> > >> > > http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k> > >> > > But what I have seen more than anything else,> > > more frightening and distressing and still> > > inexplicable and no matter how much of

it you> > > see you still can't quite grasp the magnitude> > > and the soul-numbing tragedy, the bizarre> > foreignness> > > of it, especially if you're from San Francisco> or> > > anywhere that revels in relative health and> > fitness> > > and body consciousness -- what I have seen is> > obesity.> > >> > > Keep at it! I am going to try and break away> and> > do> > > a nice walk right now.> > >> > > --Chris> > >> > >> > > > > > http://www.thefatmanwalking.com/> Keep walking Steve!!! > > > >

[Guest guest]

Rich,

There's still room in the world for die-hard elephant

herders. My brother is one. I don't always agree

with him but I love him! Hmmmmm, now I am wondering

if it is not better to be a die-hard elephant herder

than a die-hard jack-ass herder. lol

Oh well, I think I will keep my spot in the middle of

the road. But believe me, I know this world would be

quite boring if it was filled only with people just

like me.

Have a great day,

Mona

--- Rich Hardich wrote:

> Mona,

>

> Beautifully written. Thank you. It has been said

> that any joke makes fun of something or somone, so

> offense could be taken. It is really hard not to

> offend somone in this PC world and its obvious you

> didn't mean to offend. You seem like a very nice and

> thoughtful person. But dang it, now I think you may

> have offended us diehard elephant herders.(lol)

>

> Have a great weekend!

>

> Mona wrote:

> Rich,

>

> You misunderstood me. Others may have too, so I

> want

> to clear this up. I think any form of bigotry is

> shameful and should not be tolerated. I DO NOT

> think

> it is ok to knock gays or Latinos. I only thought

> the

> " analogy " was cute because, to me, it rang true.

>

> I have a wide array of friends and associates, many

> of

> whom are Latino. Where I live there is a large

> population of persons of Mexican descent. There is

> one family in particular who use to be my neighbors

> and are still great friends. I am often invited to

> their family events; I love them dearly. Through

> observing them and their Mexican friends, I have

> developed a great respect for the Mexican people,

> especially their sense of family. I also have, or

> have had, friends who are Cuban, Argentinean, and

> Puerto Rican. But, I have never met a Latino who

> was

> openly gay (I assume they do exist).

>

> I have had gay friends throughout my life. I have

> had

> more than one gay roommate. There is a young man I

> have helped out at times who calls me mom and hugs

> me

> whenever we see each other; he is gay. Just last

> night I was chatting on the phone with a family

> friend

> who is trans-gender. Not one of these people are

> Latino, nor would any of them be caught dead at a

> GOP

> convention.

>

> Most of my extended family are die-hard,

> ultra-conservative Republicans, many of whom are

> also

> bigots. Some of them still refer to blacks as

> " those

> people " , think all Mexicans are lazy thieves, and

> believe AIDS is God's curse on homosexuals.

>

> So, if you put that all together, a gay Latino at a

> GOP convention (at least in my mind) would be a

> pretty

> rare sight. The analogy made me chuckle. I didn't

> see

> it as being negative toward gays or Latinos. If

> anything, it is negative toward Republicans.

>

> Anyway, if anyone was offended by my comment, you

> have

> my heart-felt apology. I would never intentionally

> insult someone because of their national decent or

> sexual orientation.

>

> I hope that clears things up.

>

> Mona

>

> --- Rich Hardich wrote:

>

> > The whole article was quite judgmental and

> negative,

> > but I don't consider myself demented for reading

> it!

> > And Mona, is it wrong to knock most of the things

> he

> > knocked, but gays and Latinos are fair game and

> > being negative toward them " cute " ? I think not!

> >

> > Mona wrote: I tend to agree

> > with you. I assume the author thought

> > he was being funny, but I don't find this kind of

> > attitude funny. (Ok, the analogy of something

> being

> > as

> > rare as a gay Latino at a GOP convention was cute,

> I

> > will admit that)

> >

> > Boy, he sure doesn't think much of people from the

> > Mid-West and Central States! Being Hoosier, I

> took

> > offense. And you are right, it wasn't well

> written.

> >

> > Mona

> >

> > --- Elaine wrote:

> >

> > > http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

> > >

> > > This is a horrible article and I don't believe a

> > > newspaper with any

> > > credibility should have published it. It's not

> > even

> > > well-written and

> > > is full of opinions from someone who apparently

> > > doesn't have much

> > > knowledge on the subject on which he writes.

> It's

> > > the kind of

> > > information that fuels discrimination. What was

> > the

> > > point of writing

> > > or publishing an article like this. It's

> > shameful.

> > >

> > > Elaine

> > >

> > > On 2/23/06,

> > > wrote:

> > > > In today's SF Chronicle.

> > > >

> > > > http://tinyurl.com/gkv9k

> > > >

> > > > But what I have seen more than anything else,

> > > > more frightening and distressing and still

> > > > inexplicable and no matter how much of it you

> > > > see you still can't quite grasp the magnitude

> > > > and the soul-numbing tragedy, the bizarre

> > > foreignness

> > > > of it, especially if you're from San

> Francisco

> > or

> > > > anywhere that revels in relative health and

> > > fitness

> > > > and body consciousness -- what I have seen is

> > > obesity.

> > > >

> > > > Keep at it! I am going to try and break away

> > and

> > > do

> > > > a nice walk right now.

> > > >

> > > > --Chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > http://www.thefatmanwalking.com/

> > Keep walking Steve!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >