Re: thyroid med keeping me wide awake

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Dear Penny

Have a look at http://www.iodine4health.com/ for a broad discussion. Interestingly, my metabolic stability and body temperature have improved since I have excluded fluoride from my diet as much as possible. Fluoride is a direct antagonist of iodide, being more reactive.

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[infections] thyroid med keeping me wide awake

Since my last TSH was 150! (and my doc freaked out,) I started taking my thyroid meds again. The reason I had slacked off is because they always give me hyper symptoms no matter how small the dose. So I've been on a mere 30mg of armour for 3 days and sure enough last night woke up at 12:30 a.m. and was up until 4:30 a.m. What to do? I'm going to be more tired from a lack of sleep than a lack of thyroid hormone. The heart palps and hoarseness haven't even started yet, but that's next. The synthetic hormones are even worse than the natural Armour.

So anybody got any good suggestions on how to get to sleep without side effects? Melatonin didn't work, unfortunately, and I really don't want to take anything too intense or will stress my liver or become addictive, etc.

Anyone use Valerian or any other natural kind of sleep remedies?

penny

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Yeah, Thanks. I do I remember you saying this, but our water isn't flouridated and I've weirdly never lived anywhere where it was. I've been supplementing with iodine and selenium, but it hasn't kept my TSH from going over 150. Now I'm on the tiniest amount of armour and can't sleep, plus the palpitations and diarrhea are starting. Just as if I were hyperthyroid, despite the crazy hypo numbers. Unfortunately, I did some looking around on the net and having a TSH that high is NOT good. Actual talk of it leading to coma and death. Sheesh. Always something, you know? I even took melatonin last night and I was still wide awake for 4 plus hours. penny Windsor <rwindsor@...> wrote: Dear Penny Have a look at http://www.iodine4health.com/ for a broad discussion. Interestingly, my metabolic stability and body temperature have improved since I have excluded fluoride from my diet as much as possible. Fluoride is a direct antagonist of iodide, being more reactive. R [infections] thyroid med keeping me wide awake Since my last TSH was 150! (and my doc freaked out,) I started taking my thyroid meds again. The reason I had slacked off is because they always give me hyper symptoms no matter how small the dose. So I've been on a mere 30mg of armour for 3 days and sure enough last night woke up at 12:30 a.m. and was up until 4:30 a.m. What to do? I'm going to be more tired from a lack of sleep than a lack of thyroid hormone. The heart palps and hoarseness haven't even started yet, but that's next. The synthetic hormones are even worse than the natural

Armour. So anybody got any good suggestions on how to get to sleep without side effects? Melatonin didn't work, unfortunately, and I really don't want to take anything too intense or will stress my liver or become addictive, etc. Anyone use Valerian or any other natural kind of sleep remedies? penny

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Dear Penny

I sympathise. Are you kept awake by sensitivity to noise or touch? I found that low dose of GABA synergists allowed me to get to sleep OK even though the effects wear off in less than 3 hours.

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[infections] thyroid med keeping me wide awake

Since my last TSH was 150! (and my doc freaked out,) I started taking my thyroid meds again. The reason I had slacked off is because they always give me hyper symptoms no matter how small the dose. So I've been on a mere 30mg of armour for 3 days and sure enough last night woke up at 12:30 a.m. and was up until 4:30 a.m. What to do? I'm going to be more tired from a lack of sleep than a lack of thyroid hormone. The heart palps and hoarseness haven't even started yet, but that's next. The synthetic hormones are even worse than the natural Armour.

So anybody got any good suggestions on how to get to sleep without side effects? Melatonin didn't work, unfortunately, and I really don't want to take anything too intense or will stress my liver or become addictive, etc.

Anyone use Valerian or any other natural kind of sleep remedies?

penny

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Hmmm, noise definitely. And light. Yeah, pretty much any random thing including dreams. :-) I know we've talked about gaba but any specific recommendations I can look up? Thanks for the help, penny Windsor <rwindsor@...> wrote: Dear Penny I sympathise. Are you kept awake by sensitivity to noise or touch? I found that low dose of GABA synergists allowed me to get to

sleep OK even though the effects wear off in less than 3 hours. R [infections] thyroid med keeping me wide awake Since my last TSH was 150! (and my doc freaked out,) I started

taking my thyroid meds again. The reason I had slacked off is because they always give me hyper symptoms no matter how small the dose. So I've been on a mere 30mg of armour for 3 days and sure enough last night woke up at 12:30 a.m. and was up until 4:30 a.m. What to do? I'm going to be more tired from a lack of sleep than a lack of thyroid hormone. The heart palps and hoarseness haven't even started yet, but that's next. The synthetic hormones are even worse than the natural Armour. So anybody got any good suggestions on how to get to sleep without side effects? Melatonin didn't work, unfortunately, and I really don't want to take anything too intense or will stress my liver or become addictive, etc. Anyone use Valerian or any other natural kind of sleep remedies? penny

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Dear Penny

I only am conscious of my dreams when I have bladder urgency in the middle of the night, damned cheap Japanese bladder,. lets me know it is full well in advance. Strangely my dreams are of computers and Internet Explorer failing ,LOL.

My medications include the antispasmodic, Baclofen (Lioresal) which was prescribed 25mg t.i.d. for pain relief. It wasn't until I read on a board somewhere that 50 mg at night resulted in better sleep that I tried it and it worked. It turns out to be a GABA synergist. I also use Xanax (Aprazolam) which is a short acting Benzodiazapine (with a dreadful reputation ) but for me it works like a charm. A third med is the anti-epileptic , Dilantin, which , again is a GABA agonist. I only use Dilantin at very low dose rate but it works for me too. Many ducs are prescribing so called mood stabilisers, they are all GABA agonists or synergists.

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[infections] thyroid med keeping me wide awake

Since my last TSH was 150! (and my doc freaked out,) I s tarted taking my thyroid meds again. The reason I had slacked off is because they always give me hyper symptoms no matter how small the dose. So I've been on a mere 30mg of armour for 3 days and sure enough last night woke up at 12:30 a.m. and was up until 4:30 a.m. What to do? I'm going to be more tired from a lack of sleep than a lack of thyroid hormone. The heart palps and hoarseness haven't even started yet, but that's next. The synthetic hormones are even worse than the natural Armour.

So anybody got any good suggestions on how to get to sleep without side effects? Melatonin didn't work, unfortunately, and I really don't want to take anything too intense or will stress my liver or become addictive, etc.

Anyone use Valerian or any other natural kind of sleep remedies?

penny

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Hi, Penny~I know you asked about sleep but I thought I would give you my experience FWIW. I too, need the thyroid supplementation but get anxious/angry and have palpitations if I take too much. Synthroid does nothing for me. So when starting back on it, I started with a compounded T4 of 12 mcg. and 3.5 mcg. of T3. These are baby doses. We started out very low with the idea of being able to increase it. I took this dosing for a month daily. During the end of the month I had two raging episodes and was woken one morning with a pounding pulse over a 100. I stopped the thyroid for a week then tried pulsing it every other day. Still had the pounding pulse. Dropped the T3. Pounding pulse resolved.I am still at this point pulsing only the T4 three times a week. For a week I tried every other day but found my mood resentful all week. To be angry the whole week was not pleasant. At this point I take it M-W-F. And I am doing OK with that. No increase in pulse. Sleep is OK. Mood is anger/resentfulness free.My point in all of this is Armour has the T3 in it. You may not need the T3 as I did not. It was the cause of my most unpleasant symptoms.Just a thought FWIW.Best,

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Hi, Penny~The other thing that came to mind is your adrenals. When I was having difficulty tolerating such a low dose of thyroid, I started searching. Someone brought this article to my attention: http://featherstone.bravehost.com/thyroid/peatfieldadrenal.html. Not sure I agree with everything, but I thought he did a good job of explaining why addressing the adrenals is needed first some times.Good luck,

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> So anybody got any good suggestions on how to get to sleep without

side effects? Melatonin didn't work, unfortunately, and I really don't

want to take anything too intense or will stress my liver or become

addictive, etc.

Only diphenhydramine worked for me in my days of horror-level

insomnia. Ambien actually made me wake up every 20 minutes instead of

every 40. I don't use much diphen anymore, as I am too sleepy these

days rather than insomniac. I don't really know whether it can cause

addiction/tolerance/rebound. I don't notice any personally.

I still use melatonin many nights, since it doesn't seem to aggravate

the hypersomnia, and helps me keep from sleeping in later and later

and going to bed later and later. (A problem as I have the typical CFS

hit-by-truck syndrome for 20 minutes after waking up, which makes it

extremely tempting to go back to sleep.)

You might also try GABA, which may cause depression over time in some

people.

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, EXTEME ANYTHING- I found 12 hours of concreting yesterday put

me to bed. You basically need to push hard- in your case maybe

putting alot of sprinting in instaed of your usual jogging..

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> > So anybody got any good suggestions on how to get to sleep

without

> side effects? Melatonin didn't work, unfortunately, and I really

don't

> want to take anything too intense or will stress my liver or become

> addictive, etc.

>

>

> Only diphenhydramine worked for me in my days of horror-level

> insomnia. Ambien actually made me wake up every 20 minutes instead

of

> every 40. I don't use much diphen anymore, as I am too sleepy these

> days rather than insomniac. I don't really know whether it can cause

> addiction/tolerance/rebound. I don't notice any personally.

>

> I still use melatonin many nights, since it doesn't seem to

aggravate

> the hypersomnia, and helps me keep from sleeping in later and later

> and going to bed later and later. (A problem as I have the typical

CFS

> hit-by-truck syndrome for 20 minutes after waking up, which makes it

> extremely tempting to go back to sleep.)

>

> You might also try GABA, which may cause depression over time in

some

> people.

>

[Guest guest]

You're outta date with me my man... I haven't been able to run since

September. Twelve hours of concreting would probably put me to bed at

least ten hours before it was finished. In fact I had classic CFS

hard-core flares in recent months from just walking 2 miles, sitting

for several hours, and then walking 2 more.

> , EXTEME ANYTHING- I found 12 hours of concreting yesterday put

> me to bed. You basically need to push hard- in your case maybe

> putting alot of sprinting in instaed of your usual jogging..

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > > So anybody got any good suggestions on how to get to sleep

> without

> > side effects? Melatonin didn't work, unfortunately, and I really

> don't

> > want to take anything too intense or will stress my liver or become

> > addictive, etc.

> >

> >

> > Only diphenhydramine worked for me in my days of horror-level

> > insomnia. Ambien actually made me wake up every 20 minutes instead

> of

> > every 40. I don't use much diphen anymore, as I am too sleepy these

> > days rather than insomniac. I don't really know whether it can cause

> > addiction/tolerance/rebound. I don't notice any personally.

> >

> > I still use melatonin many nights, since it doesn't seem to

> aggravate

> > the hypersomnia, and helps me keep from sleeping in later and later

> > and going to bed later and later. (A problem as I have the typical

> CFS

> > hit-by-truck syndrome for 20 minutes after waking up, which makes it

> > extremely tempting to go back to sleep.)

> >

> > You might also try GABA, which may cause depression over time in

> some

> > people.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You were going along not bad?I was just thinking along the lines of

getting some sludge moving- especially in the brain region..

> > >

> > >

> > > > So anybody got any good suggestions on how to get to sleep

> > without

> > > side effects? Melatonin didn't work, unfortunately, and I

really

> > don't

> > > want to take anything too intense or will stress my liver or

become

> > > addictive, etc.

> > >

> > >

> > > Only diphenhydramine worked for me in my days of horror-level

> > > insomnia. Ambien actually made me wake up every 20 minutes

instead

> > of

> > > every 40. I don't use much diphen anymore, as I am too sleepy

these

> > > days rather than insomniac. I don't really know whether it can

cause

> > > addiction/tolerance/rebound. I don't notice any personally.

> > >

> > > I still use melatonin many nights, since it doesn't seem to

> > aggravate

> > > the hypersomnia, and helps me keep from sleeping in later and

later

> > > and going to bed later and later. (A problem as I have the

typical

> > CFS

> > > hit-by-truck syndrome for 20 minutes after waking up, which

makes it

> > > extremely tempting to go back to sleep.)

> > >

> > > You might also try GABA, which may cause depression over time

in

> > some

> > > people.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Penny

I knew from previous postings was a runner- I also sort of know

that if you push hard you tend to get rid of some stagnation, and

interestingly it was pointed out to me that extreme hard pushing,

not the long slow stuff, can put people with parkinsons into

remission for a couple of months.I tend to think though that you have

to have all your other stuff in order before embarking ' on this'..

I see it sort of as a way to push your blood through all the chanels

that enable it to work better..You've got to push it thru the

inflammation sites is another way of looking at it I suppose.

Penny I also wouldn't recommend this for you..The way I read things,

I would advise cold dips in the ocean to hopefully clamp some

inflammation in your case.. Eventually you may work your way up to

getting rid of the stagnation which I would think comes from long

term inflammed sites..Actually now that we are on the subject it's

not much different to rich's methylation block idea's..

tony

> >

> >

> > > So anybody got any good suggestions on how to get to sleep

> without

> > side effects? Melatonin didn't work, unfortunately, and I really

> don't

> > want to take anything too intense or will stress my liver or

become

> > addictive, etc.

> >

> >

> > Only diphenhydramine worked for me in my days of horror-level

> > insomnia. Ambien actually made me wake up every 20 minutes

instead

> of

> > every 40. I don't use much diphen anymore, as I am too sleepy

these

> > days rather than insomniac. I don't really know whether it can

cause

> > addiction/tolerance/rebound. I don't notice any personally.

> >

> > I still use melatonin many nights, since it doesn't seem to

> aggravate

> > the hypersomnia, and helps me keep from sleeping in later and

later

> > and going to bed later and later. (A problem as I have the

typical

> CFS

> > hit-by-truck syndrome for 20 minutes after waking up, which makes

it

> > extremely tempting to go back to sleep.)

> >

> > You might also try GABA, which may cause depression over time in

> some

> > people.

> >

>