Re: Herxing

[Guest guest]

I probably am one of the more sensitive ones. I have herxed off and

on throughout the last four years. Generally, I either back off of

a supplement entirely for awhile or reduce levels dramatically. So

I will still herx whenever I take some supplements. I have small

herxes to juicing, some detox baths, primal defense, oil of oregano,

and small doses of antibiotics on my antibiotic protocol. I still

have significant herxes to enzymes, milk thistle, several products

by GArden of Life and many others. So I am constantly juggline what

I do to improve my health. All in all, my doing this I have a

pretty good level of health and feeling well...until I decide I am

going to try something new. Then I get myself in a pain syndrome

and have to quit and work myself back out of it! As far as the big

picture is concerned, I keep improving by small degrees. In fact,

it was just a few weeks ago that I told my husband that I had

finally turned thecorner and was for all intents and purposes " well "

and my depression was greatly improved. But then my raw milk and

dairy diet caught up with me and put me right back in alot of

symptoms that had been gone. It scared me because it made me think

I was getting sick again. Then I read up on herxes caused by raw

dairy and cut back. Everytime I try to drink more than a little of

the milk again--which I love--the muscle spasms and tendon pain

starts up again. Apparently raw milk has alot of enzymes and

enzymes put me in alot of pain!Sometimes I wonder if I will ever get

to the point that I won't herx to things. But it is of small

consequence when I am continually improving! So be encouraged.

Happy Thanksgiving

Hugs, kathy

>

> I had a bad herx last night. I think the dancing is working my

muscles

> to the point of herxing, which is ok as long as I am doing it

slowly.

> Right now I have only been teaching one class a week and then in

Dec

> it will be 2. I think starting out very slowly like that will keep

it

> manageable.

>

> My husband is shopping around for a new bathtub for us so that I

can

> start the soaking baths. The one in our bathroom now is so shallow

> that I couldn't possibly get much benefit from it. I really need

to

> soak in a hot tub after these classes so that my muscles can be

aided

> in the detoxing effects from all the movement I am doing.

>

> Kathy I am really starting to understand and sympathize with how

you

> have herxed! It's distressing when you think you are doing

> everything " right " . I wanted to ask you and Patty how long it took

you

> before you didn't have the bad herxes. I know I need to be patient

and

> that I have a long road ahead, I am prepared for that, I am just

> curious about some of your timeframes.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi !

Are you the who dropped by Implant~Info.Net? It's so good to see you.

Saline Support is a great group of women knowledgeable about detoxing.

Like you, I have cut out sugar but have not gone 'all the way' to a truly

healthy diet.

It is still my goal, however.

--- In , " Lambert " <manditenerife1@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> I cannot begin to imagine what you are going through with all this herxing

> and pain you are having when trying to make yourself better. It must be so

> frustrating and pretty scary to try anything new.

>

> I am not aware of your story, just wondered if you have been explanted ?

>

> You said that all seemed to be going well, then you started a raw food diet

> and some weeks later the pain came back. Well, I have to admit, that I am

> afraid to change too much in the way of my diet. I have cut out sweet

> things and processed foods but cannot find the strength to go all the way

> and eat totally healthy. I also have to admit, that I do occasionally have

> the odd chocolate bar!! Naughty I know, but extreemly nice!!

>

> I do know that when I eat white bread, I itch more but sometimes I have to

> just have a little but generally, I behave and avoid it. I just find that

> some days I can eat a choc bar and have no itching and others, eat totally

> healthy but still itch. Gosh, it gets so frustrating and confusing trying

> to work out what is causing what. But at the end of the day, I know its the

> silicone so until I have them out, I can never stop the itching for good,

> but am trying to help reduce it.

>

> I think if I were in your shoes, I would perhaps seek some help like you

> mentioned as we can drive ourselves mad trying to work things out and this

> adds to our symptons.

>

> Anyway, Kathy, stay strong and positive and you will come through. We can

> all only do what we feel is right and best for our own bodies and it is so

> nice to be able to share experiences with each other, even if we cannot

> always find the solution.

> I just thank my lucky stars every day that I found this group,

> Love

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Molly,

Yes, that's me, well, I think so. I am not sure where I got the connection to Implant Info Net. May have been Llena.

I was trying to find a UK one as I am now in contact with the European Parliament and need some advice on EU laws to fight it here in Tenerife. Are you a member of Implant Info Net?

-- Re: herxing

Hi !

Are you the who dropped by Implant~Info.Net? It's so good to see you.

Saline Support is a great group of women knowledgeable about detoxing.

Like you, I have cut out sugar but have not gone 'all the way' to a truly healthy diet.

It is still my goal, however.

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> I cannot begin to imagine what you are going through with all this herxing

> and pain you are having when trying to make yourself better. It must be so

> frustrating and pretty scary to try anything new.

>

> I am not aware of your story, just wondered if you have been explanted ?

>

> You said that all seemed to be going well, then you started a raw food diet

> and some weeks later the pain came back. Well, I have to admit, that I am

> afraid to change too much in the way of my diet. I have cut out sweet

> things and processed foods but cannot find the strength to go all the way

> and eat totally healthy. I also have to admit, that I do occasionally have

> the odd chocolate bar!! Naughty I know, but extreemly nice!!

>

> I do know that when I eat white bread, I itch more but sometimes I have to

> just have a little but generally, I behave and avoid it. I just find that

> some days I can eat a choc bar and have no itching and others, eat totally

> healthy but still itch. Gosh, it gets so frustrating and confusing trying

> to work out what is causing what. But at the end of the day, I know its the

> silicone so until I have them out, I can never stop the itching for good,

> but am trying to help reduce it.

>

> I think if I were in your shoes, I would perhaps seek some help like you

> mentioned as we can drive ourselves mad trying to work things out and this

> adds to our symptons.

>

> Anyway, Kathy, stay strong and positive and you will come through. We can

> all only do what we feel is right and best for our own bodies and it is so

> nice to be able to share experiences with each other, even if we cannot

> always find the solution.

> I just thank my lucky stars every day that I found this group,

> Love

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the encouragement! And thanks for sharing your

frustrations also. I do have my implants out. I found this group

four years ago and got my salines out probably a month or two

later. Immediately I got improvement in several symptoms--

especially what I consider to be some fairly severe brain

dysfunction. At the same time I started antibiotic therapy for

scleroderma like symptoms. I was tested for mycoplasma and found to

have two kinds--hominus and fermantans. Hominus has been associated

with lupus and fermantans with many autoimmune diseases. I had also

been diagnosed with fms around twenty years ago. Anyway, I could

never get up to the doses of antibiotcs that I was supposed to take

as I had terrible herxes. But I could tell they were helping.

Everytime I would get gung ho to get better and try supplements or

different types of detox, I would have an increase in symptoms. I

have had many periods of feeling almost entirely well over the past

two years, but then I would go through periods of increased symptoms

which I attributed to herxing because they seemed to follow pretty

directly trying something new or at an increased amount. But I am

also now going through perimenopause and I think that my hormonal

status is playing a heavy hand in how I feel. Because of that, this

last month has been particularly bad for me and now I seem to be in

the chronic pain situation that I mentioned. Yes this support group

is fantastic and I have been a moderator here for a while now. I

love this group and the way we are always here for each other! Did

you say that you have the date set for your explant? I am sure you

are looking forward to having them out!

Hugs, Kathy

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> I cannot begin to imagine what you are going through with all this

herxing

> and pain you are having when trying to make yourself better. It

must be so

> frustrating and pretty scary to try anything new.

>

> I am not aware of your story, just wondered if you have been

explanted ?

>

> You said that all seemed to be going well, then you started a raw

food diet

> and some weeks later the pain came back. Well, I have to admit,

that I am

> afraid to change too much in the way of my diet. I have cut out

sweet

> things and processed foods but cannot find the strength to go all

the way

> and eat totally healthy. I also have to admit, that I do

occasionally have

> the odd chocolate bar!! Naughty I know, but extreemly nice!!

>

> I do know that when I eat white bread, I itch more but sometimes I

have to

> just have a little but generally, I behave and avoid it. I just

find that

> some days I can eat a choc bar and have no itching and others, eat

totally

> healthy but still itch. Gosh, it gets so frustrating and

confusing trying

> to work out what is causing what. But at the end of the day, I

know its the

> silicone so until I have them out, I can never stop the itching

for good,

> but am trying to help reduce it.

>

> I think if I were in your shoes, I would perhaps seek some help

like you

> mentioned as we can drive ourselves mad trying to work things out

and this

> adds to our symptons.

>

> Anyway, Kathy, stay strong and positive and you will come

through. We can

> all only do what we feel is right and best for our own bodies and

it is so

> nice to be able to share experiences with each other, even if we

cannot

> always find the solution.

> I just thank my lucky stars every day that I found this group,

> Love

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I'm not really sure about this so-called " 'herxheimer " reaction. It very

well may be

legit, but when I was younger and took abx for different infections, acne,

etc.,, I NEVER got

any sort of herx.

In fact, one had to be reminded to take all the abx, even if one was feeling

better, for fear

of some detrimental effect on a hidden heart problem...

d.

p.s. I would say if you've got the mucous flowing, that's a good (albeit

uncomfortable)

sign!

> > > >

> > > > That's a scary thought. My skin has suddenly gotten thin as well.

> > I now cut very easily

> > > and the cuts take a long time to heal and the scars last on. I also

> > have become

> > > photosensitive, probably due to the long term use of the penicillin.

> > > >

> > > > But I'll give it a try and see what happens and report back.

> > Maybe in fact it will act like

> > > a chemical peel and remove the brown patches on my arms?

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I just bought some Triphalia in tablet form, and I'm

> > happy because it contains

> > > both the bellica and the other, so all my microbes should be

> > covered. I've used it for a

> > > couple of days and so far so good. My sinuses feel better, but I

> > have to wait to see if it's

> > > coincidence, placebo or for real. I'll let you know when I feel

> > more certain about it. But I

> > > am encouraged.

> > > >

> > > > penny

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joanne, Liver flushes are great for dumping a bunch of stuff all at once. . . The downside is that you'll feel punk for about 24 hours. . . Then you should feel much better! I'd plan to take it easy the day after you do the prep. The job of the liver is to filter out toxins. . . When we're actively trying to detox, the toxins can become more than the liver can handle . . . so we can either slow down the detox process, or flush them out. I highly recommend them for anyone struggling to get better. Rogene

[Guest guest]

Joanne, Be sure to double up on your mineral intake when doing the foot baths. They deplete the good minerals along with the bad . . . Calcium/Magnesium is especially important. . . If your feet start burning, you'll know what I mean! Hugs, Rogene

[Guest guest]

Liver flushes are good. I've done several. I think they are great therapeutic detoxing avenues. Pattyjoanne_321321 <joanne_321321@...> wrote: Hi All,I haven't written for so long. I just keep plugging along with this detox thing. Today I feel really bad because I overdid the exercise and it must have done something. I feel like my upper arms are going to explode, my tongue and roof of the mouth tingle, my breasts itch and it is difficult to breath (as if my liver is

swollen).I usually do Epson Salt baths and foot baths on these days when I get home from work and the next day is usually better. I know that these episodes are less frequent then they were but when they come, it is all I can think about. I am 4 years post explant (silicone) and wonder if it will ever get better. I know that people have mentioned coffee enemas but they are not for me. I take Oxypowder which really helps me to move things along. Has anyone done a liver flush? I wonder if it would open up channels or if it would cause a major herx?? Any suggestions would be so helpful.Thanks, Joanne

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