RE: taking that gingko and the first changes

December 30, 2008

I wish syd would eat applebutter, apple sauce, GINGKO! LOL

~Angie~

http://www.iGive.com/sydnies1soldiers

~~DREAM BIG~~

An extra little

chromosome,

that's

all it is, you see.

Where

all of you were born with two,

She was

blessed with three.

From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Donna K.

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008

1:35 PM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange

Subject: Fw:

[DownSyndromeInfoExchange] taking that gingko and the first changes

Poor little Ian has been taking this concotion of awful

tasting stuff since he was 11 weeks old.

Most of the time it doesn't phase him, as long as he gets

his yogurt. I see that most of you are

givint the ginko in pill form. Is there anything

wrong with the liquid? I get it from the same

place as i get the Nutriviene. It looks truly

dreadful. We use juice for most of the liquid stuff,

except CLO. Grape Juice hides a mulititude of

sins. Ian doesn't eat sweets, flat refuses. But

yogurt is a life saver. He'd eat his weight in

it. I may be crazy (and it's probably true), but Ian

has only been taking ginko for a little over a week, and

I'd swear he's verbalizing more. I seem

to have noticed more complex arrangements of words,

too. He seems to be a little more

cooperative or better with following through with requests

(like asking him to go get something or

do something). I'm trying not to see something where

there isn't, but how long was it before

you all noticed anything?

Donna

K.

Have you tried a teaspoonful of cinnamon flavored applebutter?

That covered the taste of the nutrivene powder for Danny when he had to take

the powdered form of it.

KathyR

From: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:DownSyndrom

eInfoExchange@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of

Kathi Eichman

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008

8:11 PM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc

hange@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: RE: [DownSyndromeInfoEx

change] taking that gingko lol

Hi Angie,

I remeber you said that Sydnie doesn't eat oatmeal, so that won't

work. But maybe something like oatmeal. I think it works so well with Tess

because it already is pretty lumpy. But she won't take the whole pill in it. I

cut the pill into quarters with a pill cutter, and she takes them that way.

Good luck with your experimenting. It's so frustrating trying to get something

that's so good for them into kids!

Kathi

From: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup

s.com [mailto:DownSyndrom eInfoExchange@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of angie

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008

9:55 AM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc

hange@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: RE: [DownSyndromeInfoEx

change] taking that gingko lol

I actually usually always taste what she has to

take but good grief Im scared of it because Ive heard how awful it is….There is

alottttttt of powder in that capsule!

~Angie~

http://www.iGive. com/sydnies1sold iers

~~DREAM BIG~~

An extra little chromosome,

that's all it is, you see.

Where all of you were born with two,

She was blessed with three.

From: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup

s.com [mailto:DownSyndrom eInfoExchange@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Carol in IL

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008

9:53 AM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc

hange@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx

change] taking that gingko lol

have you tasted

the stuff Angie? It's vile and the bitterness lingers long after you swallow.

:-(

I honestly don't think there is any way to hide the stuff. I mix it in the

smallest amount of honey I can, and just make her take it with a chaser of

juice.

It's right up there in taste with liquid zantac, which she had to take since

birth, so she is used to it. Doesn't like it, but will do it at least.

Carol in IL

Mom to , 8 DS

My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.

Join our Down Syndrome information group -

http://health.

groups.yahoo. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/

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From: angie <atate526charter (DOT) net>

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc

hange@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008

8:47:28 AM

Subject: [DownSyndromeInfoEx

change] taking that gingko lol

Ive tried several times to get Syd to take her

Gingko….first time was ketchup and she stopped eating it half way down the

container we were at Zaxby’s….and she said yuck and stopped eating it….SHE

DOESN’T STOP EATING KETCHUP lol Then I tried putting the capsule in

pudding and encouraging her to just swallow swallow swallow with MY mt dew to

chase….she spit it out everytime…so then I put it in the pudding and she took

two bites and wouldn’t eat it….ughhh

~Angie~

http://www.iGive. com/sydnies1sold iers

~~DREAM BIG~~

An extra little chromosome,

that's all it is, you see.

Where all of you were born with two,

She was blessed with three.

From: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com [mailto: DownSyndromeInfoExc

hange@yahoogroup s.com ] On Behalf Of

Carlson

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008

9:37 AM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc

hange@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx

change] Epicatechins, neurogenesis, dark chocolate

What??? Wait

here.. Dark choc does what? Gotta read that link.

I thought it was

good for you? Personally I hate the taste.

Sam sleeps like a

rock, and has a strict schedule..( her body's schedule) This kid

literally fell asleep on Santa's lap last year ROFLOL.. cause it was "

that time of the day " . YEs.. we got pics.. LOL She is not on any

meds for sleep.

She is on the

Ginkgo though. I ahve been happy with it.

Steph

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Message -----

From: Carol

in IL

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc

hange@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:29 AM

Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Epicatechins,

neurogenesis, dark chocolate

Most people don't

want to take the diet or life style route because it's tough and a lot of work.

It's not rocket science, but it is hard and pills are easier. :-)

I am NOT against drugs though, and if they find something that is proven safe

and helps, I will be in line for them.

Ginkgo is a drug- as is the active ingredients in foods.... they are just a lot

safer and maybe even more effective since they come with all the original

components, which I think are there for a reason.

Carol in IL

Mom to , 8 DS

My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.

Join our Down Syndrome information group -

http://health.

groups.yahoo. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/

http://downsyndrome

infoexchange. blogspot. com/

Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace. com/vennamusic

From: Moe Webster <mosaicbymoe@ yahoo.com>

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc

hange@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008

11:25:05 PM

Subject: [DownSyndromeInfoEx

change] Epicatechins, neurogenesis, dark chocolate

http://www.google. com/search? hl=en & client=firefox-

a & rls=org.mozilla% 3Aen-US%3Aoffici al & hs=KV6 & q=neurogenesis+

and+dark+ chocolate & btnG=Search

It's not rocket science, I googled over 2300 citations on neurogenesis and

dark chocolate. I already KNOW about epicatechins, http://www.scienced aily.com/ releases/

2007/03/07031120 2024.htm. And silly me, I was just giving it to Maia,

DS 9mos, because I wanted her to sleep better. Now, she's sleeping

through the night and so am I. She's alert, active and doing great.

I have questions... lots of them. Do DS kids sleep well on

average? WHY ARE WE DRUGGING THEM WITH PROZAC TO SLEEP???? I

don't GET THIS.

Long term Prozac use is HARMFUL, and where oh where is Breggin's site

on Prozac?? HELP, let's not kill our kids with Prozac.

http://www.breggin. com/

I know that I'm not the only parent who's sitting up nights, researching and

reading and LIVING with a baby with DS, and we don't need to be rocket scientists

to figure this out. I don't think that the opponents of the Changing

Minds protocol are wrong because they're trying to keep a DS cure from

parents. They are opponents because there are REAL DANGERS to that

protocol.

Please, please.... the first rule of HEALING is DO NO HARM.

Warmest regards,

Moe Webster

http://www.jujuyouz .mobi

" Comprehensive energetic coaching solutions utilizing the power within

YOU! "

" What we nurture in ourselves will grow; that is nature's eternal

law. " ~Goethe

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We noticed it pretty quickly, too. At first, I thought I was

just imagining it, but then his brother mentioned it to me..and I hadn’t told

him that we had started the gingko, or what it was for. Danny had longer and

more complex sentences as well….articulation was still ‘off’, but he was saying

more.

From:

DownSyndromeInfoExchange

[mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Donna K.

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:35 PM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange

Subject: Fw: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] taking that gingko and the first

changes

Poor little

Ian has been taking this concotion of awful tasting stuff since he was 11 weeks

old.

Most

of the time it doesn't phase him, as long as he gets his yogurt. I see

that most of you are

givint

the ginko in pill form. Is there anything wrong with the liquid? I

get it from the same

place

as i get the Nutriviene. It looks truly dreadful. We use juice for

most of the liquid stuff,

except

CLO. Grape Juice hides a mulititude of sins. Ian doesn't eat

sweets, flat refuses. But

yogurt

is a life saver. He'd eat his weight in it. I may be crazy (and

it's probably true), but Ian

has

only been taking ginko for a little over a week, and I'd swear he's verbalizing

more. I seem

to

have noticed more complex arrangements of words, too. He seems to be a

little more

cooperative

or better with following through with requests (like asking him to go get

something or

do

something). I'm trying not to see something where there isn't, but how

long was it before

you

all noticed anything?

Donna K.

Have you tried a teaspoonful of cinnamon

flavored applebutter? That covered the taste of the nutrivene powder for Danny

when he had to take the powdered form of it.

KathyR

From:

DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com

[mailto:DownSyndrom eInfoExchange@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kathi

Eichman

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:11 PM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: RE: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] taking that gingko lol

Hi Angie,

I remeber you said that Sydnie doesn't eat

oatmeal, so that won't work. But maybe something like oatmeal. I think it works

so well with Tess because it already is pretty lumpy. But she won't take the

whole pill in it. I cut the pill into quarters with a pill cutter, and she

takes them that way. Good luck with your experimenting. It's so frustrating

trying to get something that's so good for them into kids!

Kathi

From:

DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:DownSyndrom eInfoExchange@

yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of angie

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:55 AM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: RE: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] taking that gingko lol

I actually usually always taste what she

has to take but good grief Im scared of it because Ive heard how awful it

is….There is alottttttt of powder in that capsule!

~Angie~

http://www.iGive. com/sydnies1sold iers

~~DREAM BIG~~

An extra little chromosome,

that's all it is, you see.

Where all of you were born with two,

She was blessed with three.

From:

DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:DownSyndrom eInfoExchange@

yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Carol in IL

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:53 AM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] taking that gingko lol

have you tasted the stuff Angie? It's vile and the

bitterness lingers long after you swallow. :-(

I honestly don't think there is any way to hide the stuff. I mix it in the

smallest amount of honey I can, and just make her take it with a chaser of

juice.

It's right up there in taste with liquid zantac, which she had to take since

birth, so she is used to it. Doesn't like it, but will do it at least.

Carol in IL

Mom to , 8 DS

My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.

Join our Down Syndrome information group -

http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/

DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/

http://downsyndrome

infoexchange. blogspot. com/

Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace. com/vennamusic

From: angie

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:47:28 AM

Subject: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] taking that gingko lol

Ive tried several times to get Syd to take

her Gingko….first time was ketchup and she stopped eating it half way down the

container we were at Zaxby’s….and she said yuck and stopped eating it….SHE

DOESN’T STOP EATING KETCHUP lol Then I tried putting the capsule in

pudding and encouraging her to just swallow swallow swallow with MY mt dew to

chase….she spit it out everytime…so then I put it in the pudding and she took

two bites and wouldn’t eat it….ughhh

~Angie~

http://www.iGive. com/sydnies1sold iers

~~DREAM BIG~~

An extra little chromosome,

that's all it is, you see.

Where all of you were born with two,

She was blessed with three.

From:

DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com

[mailto: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com ] On Behalf Of

Carlson

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:37 AM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Epicatechins, neurogenesis,

dark chocolate

What??? Wait here.. Dark choc does what? Gotta read

that link.

I thought it was good for you? Personally I hate the

taste.

Sam sleeps like a rock, and has a strict schedule..(

her body's schedule) This kid literally fell asleep on Santa's lap last

year ROFLOL.. cause it was " that time of the day " . YEs.. we got

pics.. LOL She is not on any meds for sleep.

She is on the Ginkgo though. I ahve been happy with

it.

Steph

[DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Epicatechins, neurogenesis, dark

chocolate

http://www.google. com/search? hl=en & client=firefox-

a & rls=org.mozilla% 3Aen-US%3Aoffici al & hs=KV6 & q=neurogenesis+

and+dark+ chocolate & btnG=Search

It's not rocket science, I googled over 2300 citations on neurogenesis and

dark chocolate. I already KNOW about epicatechins, http://www.scienced aily.com/ releases/

2007/03/07031120 2024.htm. And silly me, I was just giving it to Maia,

DS 9mos, because I wanted her to sleep better. Now, she's sleeping

through the night and so am I. She's alert, active and doing great.

I have questions... lots of them. Do DS kids sleep well on

average? WHY ARE WE DRUGGING THEM WITH PROZAC TO SLEEP???? I

don't GET THIS.

Long term Prozac use is HARMFUL, and where oh where is Breggin's site

on Prozac?? HELP, let's not kill our kids with Prozac.

http://www.breggin. com/

I know that I'm not the only parent who's sitting up nights, researching and

reading and LIVING with a baby with DS, and we don't need to be rocket

scientists to figure this out. I don't think that the opponents of the

Changing Minds protocol are wrong because they're trying to keep a DS cure

from parents. They are opponents because there are REAL DANGERS to that

protocol.

Please, please.... the first rule of HEALING is DO NO HARM.

Warmest regards,

Moe Webster

http://www.jujuyouz .mobi

" Comprehensive energetic coaching solutions utilizing the power within

YOU! "

" What we nurture in ourselves will grow; that is nature's eternal

law. " ~Goethe

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I saw changes in in a week. She said her first real sentences . " I want Juice." " NO NO you better stop" ( from signing times.. which she has all but memorized)

" I want Wash" ( for some reason washing her hands after poopin on the potty is a super treat for her). And has gotten very vocal about " ME .. I DO" when someone else is getting something.

Most impressive... She came after me and babbled to me about something the other kids were doing.. ending with a big " me.. pleeeeease " so I said to her " What.. ? you want to get in the car and go see grandma and grand pa too?" To which she replied " YES.. me please, grandma grandpa."

She is 3 yrs and 4 months.

Steph

[DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Epicatechins, neurogenesis, dark chocolate

http://www.google. com/search? hl=en & client=firefox- a & rls=org.mozilla% 3Aen-US%3Aoffici al & hs=KV6 & q=neurogenesis+ and+dark+ chocolate & btnG=SearchIt's not rocket science, I googled over 2300 citations on neurogenesis and dark chocolate. I already KNOW about epicatechins, http://www.scienced aily.com/ releases/ 2007/03/07031120 2024.htm. And silly me, I was just giving it to Maia, DS 9mos, because I wanted her to sleep better. Now, she's sleeping through the night and so am I. She's alert, active and doing great.I have questions... lots of them. Do DS kids sleep well on average? WHY ARE WE DRUGGING THEM WITH PROZAC TO SLEEP???? I don't GET THIS.Long term Prozac use is HARMFUL, and where oh where is Breggin's site on Prozac?? HELP, let's not kill our kids with Prozac. http://www.breggin. com/I know that I'm not the only parent who's sitting up nights, researching and reading and LIVING with a baby with DS, and we don't need to be rocket scientists to figure this out. I don't think that the opponents of the Changing Minds protocol are wrong because they're trying to keep a DS cure from parents. They are opponents because there are REAL DANGERS to that protocol. Please, please.... the first rule of HEALING is DO NO HARM.Warmest regards, Moe Webster http://www.jujuyouz .mobi "Comprehensive energetic coaching solutions utilizing the power within YOU!" "What we nurture in ourselves will grow; that is nature's eternal law." ~Goethe

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