Re: microcirculation...pseudomonas...comprehensive treatments...

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Forgot to reply earlier. Tony -- I agree -- it takes a multi-factoral approach

to deal with

this illness. I'm not suggesting that one or two or FIVE things will result in

recovery. This

triphala (or haritaki, or terminals cherbula (sp)) extract may -- may -- just be

one part of

the puzzle.

Hypercoagulation/inflammaton resulting from infections is very important -- as

is

methylation. Funny how one researcher (like Rich Van K) thinks it's one thing,

then

Pall thinks it's overproduction of peryoxinitrates and all one needs is lots of

antioxidants,

etc., so it will be interesting to hear the results of their convening soon.

But back to the triphala, etc., treatment that the med student stumbled upon. I

may be

wrong, but I believe that is the only compound that has been shown to destroy

the biofilm

that p's protect themselves with.

Perhaps garlic helps as well...I'll post a study in a second...

d.

> > > > >

> > > > > That's a scary thought. My skin has suddenly gotten thin as

> well.

> > > I now cut very easily

> > > > and the cuts take a long time to heal and the scars last on. I

> also

> > > have become

> > > > photosensitive, probably due to the long term use of the

> penicillin.

> > > > >

> > > > > But I'll give it a try and see what happens and report back.

> > > Maybe in fact it will act like

> > > > a chemical peel and remove the brown patches on my arms?

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, I just bought some Triphalia in tablet form, and I'm

> > > happy because it contains

> > > > both the bellica and the other, so all my microbes should be

> > > covered. I've used it for a

> > > > couple of days and so far so good. My sinuses feel better, but

> I

> > > have to wait to see if it's

> > > > coincidence, placebo or for real. I'll let you know when I feel

> > > more certain about it. But I

> > > > am encouraged.

> > > > >

> > > > > penny

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Looks like gallium may also break up the bio-film. I sure hope so. I so appreciate that you posted about these 2 things. I really hope they turn out to be effective new weapons in our arsenals. I'm hopeful with the gallium because I always feel that results in animals can be more trusted because animals aren't susceptible to the placebo effect. pennykdrbrill <kdrbrill@...> wrote: Forgot to reply earlier. Tony -- I agree --

it takes a multi-factoral approach to deal with this illness. I'm not suggesting that one or two or FIVE things will result in recovery. This triphala (or haritaki, or terminals cherbula (sp)) extract may -- may -- just be one part of the puzzle.Hypercoagulation/inflammaton resulting from infections is very important -- as is methylation. Funny how one researcher (like Rich Van K) thinks it's one thing, then Pall thinks it's overproduction of peryoxinitrates and all one needs is lots of antioxidants, etc., so it will be interesting to hear the results of their convening soon.But back to the triphala, etc., treatment that the med student stumbled upon. I may be wrong, but I believe that is the only compound that has been shown to destroy the biofilm that p's protect themselves with.Perhaps garlic helps as well...I'll post a study in a second...d.> > > > >> > > > > That's a scary thought. My skin has suddenly gotten thin as > well. > > > I now cut very easily > > > > and the cuts take a long time to heal and the scars last on. I > also > > > have become > > > > photosensitive, probably due to the long term use of the > penicillin.> > > > > > > > > > But I'll give it a try and see what happens and report back. > > > Maybe in fact it will act like > > > > a chemical peel and remove the brown patches on my arms? > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I just bought some Triphalia in tablet form, and I'm > > > happy because it contains > > > > both the bellica and the other, so all my microbes should be >

> > covered. I've used it for a > > > > couple of days and so far so good. My sinuses feel better, but > I > > > have to wait to see if it's > > > > coincidence, placebo or for real. I'll let you know when I feel > > > more certain about it. But I > > > > am encouraged.> > > > > > > > > > penny> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dan

This does require multi disciplined approaches. I tend to get loud

and boystrous when people are led to believe something is

antibacterial, blood thinnning and you'll often read silly statements

like I take this vitamin for that, I do the shots for this, and I

take garlic for the INFECTIONS. There's plenty of people in

cemeteries that think they can take garlic instaed of the correct

treatment for tuberculosis as an egs. so you'll think that aussie is

getting pissed, but what tends to happen alot of things start

becoming wive's tale truths instaed of being catagorised correctly.

I'm probably the loudest person to give the herxheimer reaction a

kick in the back side and it's just about lost any credability with

many with these ilnessses- wheras a few years back it was like L. A.

W.- Law in these ilnesses. You need to get worse before you get

better was the catchcry. I tend to think if your suffering your

causing damage that should be avoided..If you did something that made

you chuck up and clear out your intestines, I'd be happier to think

your body is eliminating bad things rather than sitting thru and

suffering massive pain and more importantly damage IMO..'

tony

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's a scary thought. My skin has suddenly gotten thin

as

> > well.

> > > > I now cut very easily

> > > > > and the cuts take a long time to heal and the scars last

on. I

> > also

> > > > have become

> > > > > photosensitive, probably due to the long term use of the

> > penicillin.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But I'll give it a try and see what happens and report

back.

> > > > Maybe in fact it will act like

> > > > > a chemical peel and remove the brown patches on my arms?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway, I just bought some Triphalia in tablet form, and

I'm

> > > > happy because it contains

> > > > > both the bellica and the other, so all my microbes should

be

> > > > covered. I've used it for a

> > > > > couple of days and so far so good. My sinuses feel better,

but

> > I

> > > > have to wait to see if it's

> > > > > coincidence, placebo or for real. I'll let you know when I

feel

> > > > more certain about it. But I

> > > > > am encouraged.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > penny

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Totally agree Tony -- the web is loaded with " oh, I took this " or " have you

tried this " ,

without ever talking about the complexity of the illnes, and NEVER talking about

RESTINGN. Regarding TB however, let me offer this one story:

My grandmother had TB back in the 1920's, before they had all these so-called

wonder

drugs. She was sick for almost a year...

The treatment back then: A sunny sanatorium, rest, and REAL food. Sun was

critical, and

now we have studies that back up vitamin d's influence in immune function.

She got well, and lived for another 55 years. In pretty good health except for

deafness

and some arthritis......

d.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That's a scary thought. My skin has suddenly gotten thin

> as

> > > well.

> > > > > I now cut very easily

> > > > > > and the cuts take a long time to heal and the scars last

> on. I

> > > also

> > > > > have become

> > > > > > photosensitive, probably due to the long term use of the

> > > penicillin.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But I'll give it a try and see what happens and report

> back.

> > > > > Maybe in fact it will act like

> > > > > > a chemical peel and remove the brown patches on my arms?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyway, I just bought some Triphalia in tablet form, and

> I'm

> > > > > happy because it contains

> > > > > > both the bellica and the other, so all my microbes should

> be

> > > > > covered. I've used it for a

> > > > > > couple of days and so far so good. My sinuses feel better,

> but

> > > I

> > > > > have to wait to see if it's

> > > > > > coincidence, placebo or for real. I'll let you know when I

> feel

> > > > > more certain about it. But I

> > > > > > am encouraged.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > penny

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dan

That's a mistake often m,ade- You can have tuberculosis as a

colonised person and you can have the ravages of tuberculosis a close

friend had, -which is the reason he needed the medicine- it

dessimated him from being a 6 foot 200 pounder to being skinny as a

stick 6 footer with active tuberculosis NEEDING SERIOUS THERAPY to

save his life.So your grandma's tuberculosis story can fit and sound

like something it isn't.

I actually come from a village in greece and many would have TB and

the well fed/ well hydrated ones had a better chance- not a

guarantee, probably the pathway of there disease may have been the

difference between life and death on many occasions, not to mentiuon

all the oppurtunistic infections that came in secondarily..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That's a scary thought. My skin has suddenly gotten

thin

> > as

> > > > well.

> > > > > > I now cut very easily

> > > > > > > and the cuts take a long time to heal and the scars

last

> > on. I

> > > > also

> > > > > > have become

> > > > > > > photosensitive, probably due to the long term use of

the

> > > > penicillin.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But I'll give it a try and see what happens and

report

> > back.

> > > > > > Maybe in fact it will act like

> > > > > > > a chemical peel and remove the brown patches on my

arms?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Anyway, I just bought some Triphalia in tablet form,

and

> > I'm

> > > > > > happy because it contains

> > > > > > > both the bellica and the other, so all my microbes

should

> > be

> > > > > > covered. I've used it for a

> > > > > > > couple of days and so far so good. My sinuses feel

better,

> > but

> > > > I

> > > > > > have to wait to see if it's

> > > > > > > coincidence, placebo or for real. I'll let you know

when I

> > feel

> > > > > > more certain about it. But I

> > > > > > > am encouraged.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > penny

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The history of TB written by Dormandy MD PhD tells about a

study that was one key in the obsolescence of the sanatoria: abx plus

the sanatorium regime showed no additional effectiveness compared to

abx alone.

>

> Totally agree Tony -- the web is loaded with " oh, I took this " or

" have you tried this " ,

> without ever talking about the complexity of the illnes, and NEVER

talking about

> RESTINGN. Regarding TB however, let me offer this one story:

>

> My grandmother had TB back in the 1920's, before they had all these

so-called wonder

> drugs. She was sick for almost a year...

>

> The treatment back then: A sunny sanatorium, rest, and REAL food.

Sun was critical, and

> now we have studies that back up vitamin d's influence in immune

function.

>

> She got well, and lived for another 55 years. In pretty good health

except for deafness

> and some arthritis......

>

> d.

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> I actually come from a village in greece and many would have TB and

> the well fed/ well hydrated ones had a better chance- not a

> guarantee, probably the pathway of there disease may have been the

> difference between life and death on many occasions, not to mentiuon

> all the oppurtunistic infections that came in secondarily..

Yeah, I think it was agreed by many of the old TB authorities that

plenty of decent food was a good thing.