Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Most dentists tell you that facial pain and neuralgia is a straight up result of nerve damage. The NewCastle University group did a study showing that facial pain can commonly be caused by a staph infection of the trigeminal nerve. It only makes sense that anaerobic bacteria would be happiest in an environment where the blood flow is restricted and the immune system can't reach them, i.e. a place where norepinephrine has killed the blood vessels. Trevor says in a condescending way that bacteria goes for nor/epinephrine, and he wonders why people are surprised by this well "documented" fact. Maybe because the dental community has the wool pulled over everyone's eyes regarding the monster they've created and how much DAMAGE THEY'RE DOING TO US???? penny a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote: "Why does everybody always assume that there is a complex answer to the adrenaline (nor/epinephrine) sensitivity? The solution is simple. Some species, particularly Mycobacterium leprae, are known to feed directly off nor/epinephrine in the nerve endings. This has been documented for many years. http://tinyurl.com/27n2qg Remember the pea soup..."..Trevor.. Does this mean that the bacteria end up eating the nerve? a Carnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I switched dentists. This one filled a small cavity I had using NO pain medication. It hurt for about a minute while drilling and then I was FINE the rest of the day including immediately after. The dentist said he often does small fillings with no anesthetic. I used to never get anesthetic because I always had such bad pain for days afterward. Penny, this fits with what you are writing here. a > > Most dentists tell you that facial pain and neuralgia is a straight up result of nerve damage. The NewCastle University group did a study showing that facial pain can commonly be caused by a staph infection of the trigeminal nerve. > > It only makes sense that anaerobic bacteria would be happiest in an environment where the blood flow is restricted and the immune system can't reach them, i.e. a place where norepinephrine has killed the blood vessels. Trevor says in a condescending way that bacteria goes for nor/epinephrine, and he wonders why people are surprised by this well " documented " fact. Maybe because the dental community has the wool pulled over everyone's eyes regarding the monster they've created and how much DAMAGE THEY'RE DOING TO US???? > > penny > > > a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote: > " Why does everybody always assume that there is a complex answer to the adrenaline (nor/epinephrine) sensitivity? The solution is simple. Some species, particularly Mycobacterium leprae, are known to feed directly off nor/epinephrine in the nerve endings. This has been documented for many years. http://tinyurl.com/27n2qg > Remember the pea soup... " > > ..Trevor.. > > Does this mean that the bacteria end up eating the nerve? > > a Carnes > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Norepinephrine/epininephrine isn't even a numbing agent. It's a vasoconstrictor additive that restricts blood flow making it easier for dentists to do their procedures but it's not at all necessary. Dentist's are just lazy when it comes to protecting our health. Epinephrine injections during dental work has also been linked to causing increased pain in FMS patients, so this might explain your reaction. The point is, it's not necessary to go without any anesthesia, you should just ask that they not use ephinephrine with it. penny From Wikipedia: Vasoconstriction Norepinephrine is also used as a vasopressor medication (for example, brand name Levophed) for patients with critical hypotension. It is given intravenously and acts on both alpha-1 and alpha-2 adrenergic receptors to cause vasoconstriction. Its effect in vitro is often limited to the increasing of blood pressure through agonistic activity on alpha-1 and alpha-2 receptors and causing a resultant increase in peripheral vascular resistance. In high dose and especially when it is combined with other vasopressors, it can lead to limb ischemia and limb death. Norepinephrine is mainly used to treat patients in vasodilatory shock states such as septic shock and neurogenic shock and has shown a survival benefit over dopamine.pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote: I switched dentists. This one filled a small cavity I had using NO pain medication. It hurt for about a minute while drilling and then I was FINE the rest of the day including immediately after. The dentist said he often does small fillings with no anesthetic. I used to never get anesthetic because I always had such bad pain for days afterward.Penny, this fits with what you are writing here.a>> Most dentists tell you that facial pain and neuralgia is a straight up result of nerve damage. The NewCastle University group did a study showing that facial pain can commonly be caused by a staph infection of the trigeminal nerve. > > It only makes sense that anaerobic bacteria would be happiest in an environment where the blood flow is restricted and the immune system can't reach them, i.e. a place where norepinephrine has killed the blood vessels. Trevor says in a condescending way that bacteria goes for nor/epinephrine, and he wonders why people are surprised by this well "documented" fact. Maybe because the dental community has the wool pulled over everyone's eyes regarding the monster they've created and how much DAMAGE THEY'RE DOING TO US????> > penny> > > a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote:> "Why does everybody always assume that there is a complex answer to the adrenaline (nor/epinephrine) sensitivity? The solution is simple. Some species, particularly Mycobacterium leprae, are known to feed directly off nor/epinephrine in the nerve endings. This has been documented for many years. http://tinyurl.com/27n2qg > Remember the pea soup..."> > ..Trevor..> > Does this mean that the bacteria end up eating the nerve?> > a Carnes> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Yes, I understand that I can get pain meds without epinephrine. But even then I don't do as well afterward. So if the cavity is small I would rather put up with the pain for a brief time. This new dentist is of the same opinion. Thanks, Penny, for sharing your experience with this. a > > Norepinephrine/epininephrine isn't even a numbing agent. It's a vasoconstrictor additive that restricts blood flow making it easier for dentists to do their procedures but it's not at all necessary. Dentist's are just lazy when it comes to protecting our health. Epinephrine injections during dental work has also been linked to causing increased pain in FMS patients, so this might explain your reaction. The point is, it's not necessary to go without any anesthesia, you should just ask that they not use ephinephrine with it. > > penny > > From Wikipedia: > > Vasoconstriction > Norepinephrine is also used as a vasopressor medication (for example, brand name Levophed) for patients with critical hypotension. It is given intravenously and acts on both alpha-1 and alpha-2 adrenergic receptors to cause vasoconstriction. Its effect in vitro is often limited to the increasing of blood pressure through agonistic activity on alpha-1 and alpha-2 receptors and causing a resultant increase in peripheral vascular resistance. In high dose and especially when it is combined with other vasopressors, it can lead to limb ischemia and limb death. Norepinephrine is mainly used to treat patients in vasodilatory shock states such as septic shock and neurogenic shock and has shown a survival benefit over dopamine. > > pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote: > I switched dentists. This one filled a small cavity I had using NO > pain medication. It hurt for about a minute while drilling and then I > was FINE the rest of the day including immediately after. The dentist > said he often does small fillings with no anesthetic. I used to never > get anesthetic because I always had such bad pain for days afterward. > > Penny, this fits with what you are writing here. > > a > > > > > Most dentists tell you that facial pain and neuralgia is a straight > up result of nerve damage. The NewCastle University group did a study > showing that facial pain can commonly be caused by a staph infection > of the trigeminal nerve. > > > > It only makes sense that anaerobic bacteria would be happiest in > an environment where the blood flow is restricted and the immune > system can't reach them, i.e. a place where norepinephrine has killed > the blood vessels. Trevor says in a condescending way that bacteria > goes for nor/epinephrine, and he wonders why people are surprised by > this well " documented " fact. Maybe because the dental community has > the wool pulled over everyone's eyes regarding the monster they've > created and how much DAMAGE THEY'RE DOING TO US???? > > > > penny > > > > > > a Carnes <pj7@> wrote: > > " Why does everybody always assume that there is a > complex answer to the adrenaline (nor/epinephrine) sensitivity? The > solution is simple. Some species, particularly Mycobacterium leprae, > are known to feed directly off nor/epinephrine in the nerve endings. > This has been documented for many years. http://tinyurl.com/27n2qg > > Remember the pea soup... " > > > > ..Trevor.. > > > > Does this mean that the bacteria end up eating the nerve? > > > > a Carnes > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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