Re: lyme politics watch

[Guest guest]

Yeah, what's with the propoganda on infectious disease anyway? I was appalled when I saw readers' comments on a CBS news article about the TB guy. It was unbelievable. Everyone was ready to string the guy up for "exposing" them to this terrible bacteria. These people were literally rabid and foaming at the mouth to get at the guy, wishing all kinds of horrible things on him. The general population is buying the bull that's being sold to them. They have no clue about the resilience of bacteria, how common they are and how difficult they are to treat. penny <usenethod@...> wrote: On some unknown AM radio station I was listening to, there was a shortad sponsored by some neurologists' association or something, basicallysaying there was no evidence for the ILADS view of lyme treatment.ILADS wasn't mentioned by name.

[Guest guest]

I forgot to answer my own question about what's up with the propaganda on infection. I don't like to go all conspiracy theory, BUT I have to say I truly believe that medical authorities are intentionally downplaying the role of infectious disease in society. It's not just the CDC or NIH, it's the teaching institutions as well. Every time something comes out, like the American Pediatric Society's warning of abx resistant staph rapidly reaching epidemic levels among our children, the info goes over like a lead baloon. No follow up at all. Either somebody wants us sick, for population control, or to fuel drug profits, or they're afraid of the mass hysteria that would ensue if people really understood what we're dealing with. :-( penny <usenethod@...> wrote: On some unknown AM radio station I was listening to, there was a shortad sponsored by some neurologists' association or something, basicallysaying there was no evidence for the ILADS view of lyme treatment.ILADS wasn't mentioned by name.

[Guest guest]

Take a look at 2 movies:

" The Constant Gardener " (and if you distain the drug companies and

the way they do drug trials in the 3rd world - you'll hate them even

more)... and

" The Painted Veil " .... (The most graphic depiction of Cholera (or

any other disease) I've ever whitnessed in a film... the 20 seconds

clip in the cholera ward in hina in the early part of this century is

shocking).

All we have to do is look at some parts of the world to know how bad

bacteria really is... but this country has it's head stuck so far up

it's own *** and is only concerned with 'TV, Glitz, games' that we

can't see what's really happening. The health care industry,

Insurance Companies and Drug companies have crept into every corner

of ones life- and now with Rite Aid (read RightWing Christian Big

Brother) buying out all the Drug-stores - and not carrying certain

birth control drugs- they're pretty much controlling your choices

now..I think most people live in their own little worlds and haven't

a clue of the bigger (national or global) picture... and most people

don't know ANYTHING about health or medicine so they wouldn't know if

they were being lied to, duped or experimented on.

Well- that got me going didn't it?

Barb

> On some unknown AM radio station I was listening to,

there was a short

> ad sponsored by some neurologists' association or something,

basically

> saying there was no evidence for the ILADS view of lyme treatment.

> ILADS wasn't mentioned by name.

>

[Guest guest]

Well he shoulda done like the CDC told him. But anyway it turned out

his strain actually wasn't all that.

> Yeah, what's with the propoganda on infectious disease anyway?

>

> I was appalled when I saw readers' comments on a CBS news article

about the TB guy. It was unbelievable. Everyone was ready to string

the guy up for " exposing " them to this terrible bacteria. These people

were literally rabid and foaming at the mouth to get at the guy,

wishing all kinds of horrible things on him.

>

> The general population is buying the bull that's being sold to

them. They have no clue about the resilience of bacteria, how common

they are and how difficult they are to treat.

>

> penny

[Guest guest]

> Take a look at 2 movies:

> " The Constant Gardener "

> " The Painted Veil " ....

I wanted to see The Painted Veil but I missed it.

> (and if you distain the drug companies and

> the way they do drug trials in the 3rd world - you'll hate them even

> more)...

Why shouldn't they, if it's way cheaper and people there want to do

it? To me that's called freedom. I also don't mind the idea of organ

markets. Freedom means being free. I heard a debate about it on the

BBC. This lady from an anti-organ-market organization was going on

about how people who signed up for black market organ sale were taken

in by slick thugs who pay them a small fraction of what they were

promised, and intimidate them into taking " that or nothing " and

shutting the hell up, or dying. I was like, lady, all that exists

because of YOU. That's the nature of black markets, mafias, and thugs.

The whole point of making states is to have the people with guns

follow explicit rules, rather than ripping people off and doing

whatever they feel like. The state is a monopoly on the legitimate use

of force, as what's-his-name said. But when states ban things that

endless loads of people seriously want to do, you get back alley

coat-hanger abortions, street drugs cut with cheap harmful

intoxicants, thugs running organ markets, and all the rest. And you

can pour out billions trying to stop it, but you'll never cut it by

more than 50% (probably way less). Is it worth it? It seems to be

worth outlawing homicide, rape, robbery, and fraud. I don't know about

the rest.

Of course most of what I'm saying is only tangent to what you said,

Barb. I don't mean to distort your point. I just happened to get off

onto sort of my own lil sermon.

[Guest guest]

Dang, I tried to watch The Constant Gardener, but unfortunately got a defective disc. Will have to rent it again next time I want to raise my blood pressure. :-) penny Barb Peck <egroups1bp@...> wrote: Take a look at 2 movies:"The Constant Gardener" (and if you distain the drug companies and the way they do drug trials in the 3rd world - you'll hate them even more)... and" The Painted Veil".... (The most graphic depiction

of Cholera (or any other disease) I've ever whitnessed in a film... the 20 seconds clip in the cholera ward in hina in the early part of this century is shocking).All we have to do is look at some parts of the world to know how bad bacteria really is... but this country has it's head stuck so far up it's own *** and is only concerned with 'TV, Glitz, games' that we can't see what's really happening. The health care industry, Insurance Companies and Drug companies have crept into every corner of ones life- and now with Rite Aid (read RightWing Christian Big Brother) buying out all the Drug-stores - and not carrying certain birth control drugs- they're pretty much controlling your choices now..I think most people live in their own little worlds and haven't a clue of the bigger (national or global) picture... and most people don't know ANYTHING about health or medicine so they wouldn't know if they were being

lied to, duped or experimented on.Well- that got me going didn't it?Barb> On some unknown AM radio station I was listening to, there was a short> ad sponsored by some neurologists' association or something, basically> saying there was no evidence for the ILADS view of lyme treatment.> ILADS wasn't mentioned by name.>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, the CDC sent the guy completely mixed signals. He wasn't symptomatic and they told him he wasn't contagious (like many other people carrying the bug and flying on planes), but then sent him a written letter saying not to leave the country? Can someone say, covering their butts? And what's with the Center of Disease Control not having as "sensitive tests" as the freakin' Jewish Hospital in Colorado? That was their explanation for the screw up, not mine. penny <usenethod@...> wrote: Well he shoulda done like the CDC told him. But anyway it turned outhis strain actually wasn't all that.> Yeah, what's with the propoganda on infectious disease anyway? > > I was appalled when I saw readers' comments on a CBS news articleabout the TB guy. It was unbelievable. Everyone was ready to stringthe guy up for "exposing" them to this terrible bacteria. These peoplewere literally rabid and foaming at the mouth to get at the guy,wishing all kinds of horrible things on him. > > The general population is buying the bull that's being sold tothem. They have no clue about the resilience of bacteria, how commonthey are and how difficult they are to treat.> > penny

[Guest guest]

> Yeah, the CDC sent the guy completely mixed signals. He wasn't

symptomatic and they told him he wasn't contagious (like many other

people carrying the bug and flying on planes), but then sent him a

written letter saying not to leave the country? Can someone say,

covering their butts?

Well, good point. Anyway, referring to your original point, I'm sure

tons of people bitched out Speaker on the internet - then got

wasted and went for a joy ride, which doesn't really help society that

much. That's people. I think some people really are holier than thou

and just as hard on themselves as they are on others, but those don't

seem to be too incredibly dense on the ground.

> And what's with the Center of Disease Control not having as

" sensitive tests " as the freakin' Jewish Hospital in Colorado? That

was their explanation for the screw up, not mine.

National Jewish Med & Research are the True Ones when it comes to TB.

" For the tenth year in a row, National Jewish has been named the best

respiratory hospital in the nation by U.S. News & World Report. " Those

guys can hold out a test tube of M tuberculosis with their eyes

closed, you pick one cell out and then put it back in, they'll tell

you which one it was. They can play on a little wooden recorder and

make MTB sway and dance 800 different coreographs from around the

world. They can hypnotize MTB and cause it to bark like a dog.

Check out this history here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Jewish_Medical_and_Research_Center

TB patients sometimes felt a lot better and even got way better in

various different climates, or so they thought anyway. Tons of them

went to Colorado, so many that there was a popular reaction and most

of them ended up in encampments outside Denver, where they basically

hacked a lot of blood and died in the snow. Good ol days. Men were

men. Ja.

I felt awesome in Denver myself, as I always do after a cold front

here brings in cracking-dry clear cold air. Til I overexerted at

~10,000 feet. I was only there 2 days though. Still hope to move to

maybe Wyoming or New Mexico. The Denver mountains are pretty boring -

basically just one kind of tree. No good.