Re:Bartonella counteracted by L-arginine

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Hi all!

I read this about the Nitric Oxide Cycle, and it reminded me of a book I got in October of 07 called Explaining Unexplained Illnesses. Below is a compiled post I had sent to a dear friend with unexplained fainting spells that the doctors couldn't find reasons for....

Hope this is interesting and helpful to someone.

Re:Bartonella counteracted by L-arginine

Limin:

This is opening a whole new area. I have seen reports that some believe that Nitric and Nitrous acids are very involved in our epidemic diseases today, Lupus, Chronic fatigue, autism, etc. I never took the time to look into this. Somehow the cycle and our levels are impaired. L-arginine is very interesting as well and may be a prime reason that our blood flow seems to be amiss. But since it works in contrast to l-lysine, I have always avoided it. It's like one is for bacteria infections and one is for viral infections. It would seem that taking one may help some infections and hinder others. Maybe one could take both. Either way, this is definitely an interesting area to look into. Here's a quick website on general l-arginine information. I wonder if I have any in my cubboard. My cubboards are pretty stocked. LOL.

http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/herbsvitaminsad/a/Arginine.htm

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

"http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:18595894"Limin ================================================================================================

I've been reading a new book I just got, ("Explaining "Unexplained Illnesses" )

On page 60, there is a paragraph called "Orthostatic intolerance - which is a phenomenon in which the vasculature and blood pressure are not regulated properly. In normal individuals, when a person stands up from a seated or lying down position, the blood pressure adjusts to maintain adequate blood flow to the brain. In persons with orthostatic intolerance, this control becomes inadequate, sometimes leading to fainting. There have been two proposed mechanisms for this multisystem illness. One is based on the action of nitric oxide as a vasodilator such that excessive nitric oxide may be expected to lead to excessive vasodilatation and therefore inability to get sufficient constriction under these conditions in the lower parts of the body, leading to excessive pooling of the blood in the lower pars of the body. I proposed this mechanism in one of my papers, and it was later proposed by De Meirleir's group, who were apparently unaware of the earlier proposal. This proposal was based on the notion of excessive nitric oxide and so is obviously consistent with our overall proposed mechanism. The role of nitric oxide in such vasodilatation has been shown to be important in POTS, the mechanism involved in many cases of orthostatic intolerance. The Second proposed mechanism is the failure of the sympathetic nervous system to properly control the vasculature. Interestingly, this is also consistent with a NO/ONOO- cycle mechanism because it is known that excessive nitric oxide can produce sympathetic dysfunction. For example, Krukoff stated that "A growing body of evidence supports the hypothesis that NO acts to decrease sympathetic output to the periphery....". We have tow alternative explanations both consistent with the NO/ONOO cycle and both involving excessive levels of nitric oxide. A list of the symptoms and signs of multisystem illnesses explained by the elevated nitric oxide/peroxynitrite mechanism is provided in Exhibit 3.1, along with the proposed explanations."

The book goes on, but there is a list of several things in their proposed cycle of problematic signaling NO/ONOO messengers (and I add their receptors), which I think we can muscletest for, and clear allergies to - IF that is the problem. In otherwords, IF the Nitric Oxide receptor has an autoimmune allergy to itself, which rejects available nitric oxide in the blood, then possibly the body would continue to make more, as it wasn't being connected with? OR, possibly one of the other parts of the NO/ONOO cycle that either suppresses or elevates nitric oxide may possibly be the problem.

I just midweek this week received this book in the mail, and didn't have an opportunity to read it with my father and his wife here. I now need a day or two to make test vials to check you from. We can then either say this is what the problem is or not..... You, as an engineer understand what happens when the PSI of a water pipe is not sufficient to provide adequate pressure to a showerhead to make it work properly. Myself as an Interior Designer understand that the PSI has to be tested as adequate in order to sell certain fixture in a home remodel job. IF the pressure - for whatever reason is insufficient - then the pressure to move said liquids to the brain, is not what it needs to be, one can have the dizzy sensations, and sinking spells that may possibly be the source of your symptoms.

Just wanted to let you know that I also cleared on the vial, and have run into a interesting phenomena....

I've been having weird head pains, like my brain is trying to heal and needs food-specific food to help it heal. I've been having to take lots of Phosphytidyl Choline, Phosphytidyl Serine, and some extra BioB. What I mean by lots is like 4 of the Choline, 3 of the Serine, and 2 B - every 4-5 hours or whenever I start to feel strange in the head. Mine is at the very top of the head, similar to Pituitary, yet different.

Phosphytidyl Choline & Phosphytidyl Serine help specifically with the brain, with feeling more optimistic, with the ability to handle stress, and are involved with this Nitric Oxide Synthesis. I didn't realize that I'd need this nutrition when I cleared on the Nitric Oxide Synthesis Cycle, but realized a few days later when I knew I wasn't feeling quite right.

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I bought several books by the CFS et al authors saying the same

thing. Its the cycle something is stuck. One function dialates and

the other constricts. Interestingly, my dysautonomia doc years ago

said it has to do with constriction and dilation and something going

wrong there. I think NO is also a by product of cytokines. ? Robin

>

> Hi all!

>

> I read this about the Nitric Oxide Cycle, and it reminded me of a

book I got in October of 07 called Explaining Unexplained Illnesses.

Below is a compiled post I had sent to a dear friend with unexplained

fainting spells that the doctors couldn't find reasons for....

> Hope this is interesting and helpful to someone.

>

> Re:Bartonella

counteracted by L-arginine

>

>

> Limin:

>

> This is opening a whole new area. I have seen reports that some

believe that Nitric and Nitrous acids are very involved in our

epidemic diseases today, Lupus, Chronic fatigue, autism, etc. I

never took the time to look into this. Somehow the cycle and our

levels are impaired. L-arginine is very interesting as well and may

be a prime reason that our blood flow seems to be amiss. But since

it works in contrast to l-lysine, I have always avoided it. It's

like one is for bacteria infections and one is for viral infections.

It would seem that taking one may help some infections and hinder

others. Maybe one could take both. Either way, this is definitely

an interesting area to look into. Here's a quick website on general

l-arginine information. I wonder if I have any in my cubboard. My

cubboards are pretty stocked. LOL.

>

> http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/herbsvitaminsad/a/Arginine.htm

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

> " http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:18595894 "

>

> Limin

>

>

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>

>

> I've been reading a new book I just got,

( " Explaining " Unexplained Illnesses " )

> On page 60, there is a paragraph called " Orthostatic intolerance -

which is a phenomenon in which the vasculature and blood pressure

are not regulated properly. In normal individuals, when a person

stands up from a seated or lying down position, the blood pressure

adjusts to maintain adequate blood flow to the brain. In persons

with orthostatic intolerance, this control becomes inadequate,

sometimes leading to fainting. There have been two proposed

mechanisms for this multisystem illness. One is based on the action

of nitric oxide as a vasodilator such that excessive nitric oxide may

be expected to lead to excessive vasodilatation and therefore

inability to get sufficient constriction under these conditions in

the lower parts of the body, leading to excessive pooling of the

blood in the lower pars of the body. I proposed this mechanism in

one of my papers, and it was later proposed by De Meirleir's group,

who were apparently unaware of the earlier proposal. This proposal

was based on the notion of excessive nitric oxide and so is obviously

consistent with our overall proposed mechanism. The role of nitric

oxide in such vasodilatation has been shown to be important in POTS,

the mechanism involved in many cases of orthostatic intolerance. The

Second proposed mechanism is the failure of the sympathetic nervous

system to properly control the vasculature. Interestingly, this is

also consistent with a NO/ONOO- cycle mechanism because it is known

that excessive nitric oxide can produce sympathetic dysfunction. For

example, Krukoff stated that " A growing body of evidence supports

the hypothesis that NO acts to decrease sympathetic output to the

periphery.... " . We have tow alternative explanations both consistent

with the NO/ONOO cycle and both involving excessive levels of nitric

oxide. A list of the symptoms and signs of multisystem illnesses

explained by the elevated nitric oxide/peroxynitrite mechanism is

provided in Exhibit 3.1, along with the proposed explanations. "

>

>

> The book goes on, but there is a list of several things in their

proposed cycle of problematic signaling NO/ONOO messengers (and I add

their receptors), which I think we can muscletest for, and clear

allergies to - IF that is the problem. In otherwords, IF the Nitric

Oxide receptor has an autoimmune allergy to itself, which rejects

available nitric oxide in the blood, then possibly the body would

continue to make more, as it wasn't being connected with? OR,

possibly one of the other parts of the NO/ONOO cycle that either

suppresses or elevates nitric oxide may possibly be the problem.

>

> I just midweek this week received this book in the mail, and

didn't have an opportunity to read it with my father and his wife

here. I now need a day or two to make test vials to check you from.

We can then either say this is what the problem is or not..... You,

as an engineer understand what happens when the PSI of a water pipe

is not sufficient to provide adequate pressure to a showerhead to

make it work properly. Myself as an Interior Designer understand

that the PSI has to be tested as adequate in order to sell certain

fixture in a home remodel job. IF the pressure - for whatever reason

is insufficient - then the pressure to move said liquids to the

brain, is not what it needs to be, one can have the dizzy sensations,

and sinking spells that may possibly be the source of your symptoms.

>

> Just wanted to let you know that I also cleared on the vial, and

have run into a interesting phenomena....

> I've been having weird head pains, like my brain is trying to

heal and needs food-specific food to help it heal. I've been having

to take lots of Phosphytidyl Choline, Phosphytidyl Serine, and some

extra BioB. What I mean by lots is like 4 of the Choline, 3 of the

Serine, and 2 B - every 4-5 hours or whenever I start to feel

strange in the head. Mine is at the very top of the head, similar to

Pituitary, yet different.

>

> Phosphytidyl Choline & Phosphytidyl Serine help specifically

with the brain, with feeling more optimistic, with the ability to

handle stress, and are involved with this Nitric Oxide Synthesis. I

didn't realize that I'd need this nutrition when I cleared on the

Nitric Oxide Synthesis Cycle, but realized a few days later when I

knew I wasn't feeling quite right.

>

> Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :

> May you Prosper, even as your Soul Prospers 3 2

>

> Ruby

>

> Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

>

> http://www.rubysemporium.com

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SymphonicHealth

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Therapeutic-Laser_Therapy

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SOTA_LightWorks/

> http://www.lazrpulsr.com

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