Re: Diabetes drugs Avandia and Actos to include new heart failure warnings

[Guest guest]

Penny,

My wife took Actos as part of that protocol and had a pretty severe

immune activation response which just kept getting worse until she

quit. Is that similar to what you experienced? Her doctor hadn't ever

seen that response before and he uses Shoemaker's protocol quite a lot.

The same doctor really thinks the Avandia thing is overblown (he's my

doctor also and wants me on the stuff). He doesn't see a risk /

benefit problem unless you actually have heart disease or it runs

strong in your immediate family. And this is a guy who is pretty

conservative about such judgments. I'm still not taking it however ;-)

--Bob

Penny Houle wrote:

I wonder what Shoemaker's going to do with this new

development, since he prescribes Actos as part of his protocol? I was

surprised and alarmed that Actos is included in this warning since all

I've heard mentioned on the news is Avandia.

I took Actos for only a few days and had a

really severe reaction. At the time, I remember saying it felt like I

was dying. I stopped taking it immediately once I realized it was the

Actos that was sending me downhill so fast. It literally took me

several weeks to recover from it.

penny

The Associated Press

Published: August 14, 2007

WASHINGTON: The diabetes drugs Avandia and

Actos will be labeled with severe warnings about a risk of heart

failure to some patients, U.S. health officials said Tuesday.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/14/america/NA-MED-US-Diabetes-Heart-Failure.php

[Guest guest]

Bob and Penny,

I tried Shoemaker's diet and took Actos. I got elevated liver enzymes

while on Actos.

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>

> Penny,

>

> My wife took Actos as part of that protocol and had a pretty severe

> immune activation response which just kept getting worse until she

> quit. Is that similar to what you experienced? Her doctor hadn't

ever

> seen that response before and he uses Shoemaker's protocol quite a

lot.

>

> The same doctor really thinks the Avandia thing is overblown (he's

my

> doctor also and wants me on the stuff). He doesn't see a risk /

benefit

> problem unless you actually have heart disease or it runs strong in

your

> immediate family. And this is a guy who is pretty conservative

about

> such judgments. I'm still not taking it however ;-)

>

> --Bob

>

> Penny Houle wrote:

> >

> > I wonder what Shoemaker's going to do with this new development,

since

> > he prescribes Actos as part of his protocol? I was surprised

> > and alarmed that Actos is included in this warning since all I've

> > heard mentioned on the news is Avandia.

> >

> > I took Actos for only a few days and had a really severe

reaction. At

> > the time, I remember saying it felt like I was dying. I stopped

taking

> > it immediately once I realized it was the Actos that was sending

me

> > downhill so fast. It literally took me several weeks to recover

from it.

> >

> > penny

> >

> >

> > The Associated Press

> > Published: August 14, 2007

> > **

> > *WASHINGTON:* The diabetes drugs Avandia and Actos will be

labeled

> > with severe warnings about a risk of heart failure to some

patients,

> > U.S. health officials said Tuesday.

> >

> > http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/14/america/NA-MED-US-

Diabetes-Heart-Failure.php

> > <http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/14/america/NA-MED-US-

Diabetes-Heart-Failure.php>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't know what was happening. Just that I started feeling severely weak and disoriented. Each day got worse, until I realized that it must be the Actos. I stopped taking it but it literally took me at least a couple of weeks to get all the way back to where I started. pennyBob Grommes <bob@...> wrote: Penny,My wife took Actos as part of that protocol and had a pretty severe immune activation response which just kept

getting worse until she quit. Is that similar to what you experienced? Her doctor hadn't ever seen that response before and he uses Shoemaker's protocol quite a lot.The same doctor really thinks the Avandia thing is overblown (he's my doctor also and wants me on the stuff). He doesn't see a risk / benefit problem unless you actually have heart disease or it runs strong in your immediate family. And this is a guy who is pretty conservative about such judgments. I'm still not taking it however ;-)--BobPenny Houle wrote: I wonder what Shoemaker's going to do with this new development, since he prescribes Actos as part of his protocol? I was surprised and alarmed that

Actos is included in this warning since all I've heard mentioned on the news is Avandia. I took Actos for only a few days and had a really severe reaction. At the time, I remember saying it felt like I was dying. I stopped taking it immediately once I realized it was the Actos that was sending me downhill so fast. It literally took me several weeks to recover from it. penny The Associated Press Published: August 14, 2007 WASHINGTON: The diabetes drugs Avandia and Actos will be labeled with severe warnings about a risk of heart failure to some patients, U.S. health officials said Tuesday. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/14/america/NA-MED-US-Diabetes-Heart-Failure.php