Re: Just having a bad week....

[Guest guest]

HI,

I have not been with the group for some time now but I still read posts and wanted to share my experiences with regard to bowel movements. I have read so many posts about everyone's children being unable to move bowels, suffering from constipation, experiencing big bloated bellies and on and on. My son who is 4, almost 5, suffered from the same thing constantly. Always had belly pain, bloating, very gassy but always had issues being able to move his bowels. As you all know you read everything, do constant research, go to message boards and evaluate and re-evaluate your childs pains, gains, and difficulties. I had also followed closely McCarthy's story about her son and she had mentioned a product called Threelac. I researched this product and thought I'd give it a try. I tried it for a month on myself first and fully ended up realizing that I like many Americans have a yeast overgrowth as well. I started my son on Threelac in mid November, in part to treat him for yeast. It is very hard removing all sugars from the diet and then dealing with a child who self-limits his foods. BUT, the unbelievable thing is that within days, maybe 3 days, he began having regular bowel movements. Solid, formed bowel movements!!!!!! His bowels then became no longer peutrid smelling; he has not been gassy; he no longer has that BLOATED belly and I know he feels much better. He has a bowel movement on a daily basis, sometimes twice. Occasionally it is runny, seemingly when he has had a sugary treat. I use to have to use the fleet baby lax on him and that is a thing of the past. The only side effect he may have experienced was a little belly upset. Although he is non-verbal I could tell when he'd lay down on the couch or something but it did not seem to last for long. I experienced this too but it was mild and was nothing that lasted for hours or anything like that. Now he seems to be fine but you really have to limit sugar intake. It is hard to do especially when you have to give him juice to get him to take his other supplements. I still use pear juice, which is how I get the Threelac into him.

The downside of course, like everything else is the expense. But it works for him so I am more than willing to spend the $$ on it.

I just wanted to share this with all of you and maybe you can mention it to your child's doctor to see what they say. It has helped him so tremendously and I plan on continuing the use of it. The next battle will be getting him to use the potty for poo-poo. He is still not potty trained, and could seem to care less but I'm just so happy he's moving his bowels regularly that I'll deal with everything else.

Hope this helps someone.

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[Guest guest]

Have you done an enema to give her some relief?

Kathy

Just having a bad week....

> My 6 year old daughter is yet to hav ea bowel movement on her own. The Gastro wanted > to do an MRI to check her spinal chord and make sure there are not any damaged nerves > and maybe she is not feeling the urge, but she tells me she does feel it but she holds it in > and then the feeling goes away! > Ugh! Her belly looks so swollen of course since we are on day 6 with no poop and again > as I do every week I will have to give her a suppository. I stopped Mirilax and have been > giving her 2 Tablespoons of MOM a day. She is 32 lbs in the 3% for her age. She has > always been since birth. She has no other issues but this one, which is a biggie since she > is so small.> I just need some support and maybe another suggestion.> Thank you all so much.> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

She would never let me give it to her. When I give her a suppository I could

barely get it in

without her hitting me , ripping my hand away and screaming... Last week when I

tried to

give her the babylax she threw up she was freaking so much! UGH!

Its a nightmare!

>

> Have you done an enema to give her some relief?

> Kathy

>

>

> Just having a bad week....

>

>

> > My 6 year old daughter is yet to hav ea bowel movement on her own. The

Gastro

wanted

> > to do an MRI to check her spinal chord and make sure there are not any

damaged

nerves

> > and maybe she is not feeling the urge, but she tells me she does feel it but

she holds

it in

> > and then the feeling goes away!

> > Ugh! Her belly looks so swollen of course since we are on day 6 with no

poop and

again

> > as I do every week I will have to give her a suppository. I stopped Mirilax

and have

been

> > giving her 2 Tablespoons of MOM a day. She is 32 lbs in the 3% for her age.

She has

> > always been since birth. She has no other issues but this one, which is a

biggie since

she

> > is so small.

> > I just need some support and maybe another suggestion.

> > Thank you all so much.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think an MRI couldnt hurt! We asked our first gastro if an already

scheduled MRI for my sons brain, if we could include the abdomin etc.

He wouldnt do it, no reason, just said I dont work that way. I think

he didnt like us asking/suggesting anything! He is no longer our

gastro, he tend to be this way a lot and we never got anywhere with

our son! Try something to get her going like aloe vera juice(wallmart

brand doesnt taste to bad), Vitamin C, even gas pills/liquid can help

get things moving and helps with the bloating. Have you went through

your daughters foods/drinks and try to determine the things that

could be constipating(rice, cheese, bananas etc)? Even over the

counter things like pain relievers/antihistamines etc can constipate.

Jennie<><

>

> My 6 year old daughter is yet to hav ea bowel movement on her own.

The Gastro wanted

> to do an MRI to check her spinal chord and make sure there are not

any damaged nerves

> and maybe she is not feeling the urge, but she tells me she does

feel it but she holds it in

> and then the feeling goes away!

> Ugh! Her belly looks so swollen of course since we are on day 6

with no poop and again

> as I do every week I will have to give her a suppository. I

stopped Mirilax and have been

> giving her 2 Tablespoons of MOM a day. She is 32 lbs in the 3% for

her age. She has

> always been since birth. She has no other issues but this one,

which is a biggie since she

> is so small.

> I just need some support and maybe another suggestion.

> Thank you all so much.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you everyone, I am open to all options!

I know I should just take her for the MRI but I really do not think the problem

is that she

has nerve damage I think it is just her being stubborn and the fact that she

has stretched

her colon and such out so much that she can hold it.

I just dont know what other things to try for her.

I a lso am wondering why we have not had an mri or anything of the gut? This is

an MRI of

the spinal chord the gastro wants. He is a very good, well respectedd dr. but I

honestly

think he is at a loss with my daughters situation too.

Thanks

-- In miralax , kareningalls2@... wrote:

>

> HI,

>

> I have not been with the group for some time now but I still read posts and

> wanted to share my experiences with regard to bowel movements. I have read so

> many posts about everyone's children being unable to move bowels, suffering

> from constipation, experiencing big bloated bellies and on and on. My son who

> is 4, almost 5, suffered from the same thing constantly. Always had belly

> pain, bloating, very gassy but always had issues being able to move his

bowels.

> As you all know you read everything, do constant research, go to message

boards

> and evaluate and re-evaluate your childs pains, gains, and difficulties. I

> had also followed closely McCarthy's story about her son and she had

> mentioned a product called Threelac. I researched this product and thought

I'd

> give it a try. I tried it for a month on myself first and fully ended up

> realizing that I like many Americans have a yeast overgrowth as well. I

started my

> son on Threelac in mid November, in part to treat him for yeast. It is very

> hard removing all sugars from the diet and then dealing with a child who

> self-limits his foods. BUT, the unbelievable thing is that within days, maybe

3

> days, he began having regular bowel movements. Solid, formed bowel

> movements!!!!!! His bowels then became no longer peutrid smelling; he has not

been

gassy;

> he no longer has that BLOATED belly and I know he feels much better. He has a

> bowel movement on a daily basis, sometimes twice. Occasionally it is runny,

> seemingly when he has had a sugary treat. I use to have to use the fleet baby

> lax on him and that is a thing of the past. The only side effect he may have

> experienced was a little belly upset. Although he is non-verbal I could

> tell when he'd lay down on the couch or something but it did not seem to last

for

> long. I experienced this too but it was mild and was nothing that lasted for

> hours or anything like that. Now he seems to be fine but you really have to

> limit sugar intake. It is hard to do especially when you have to give him

> juice to get him to take his other supplements. I still use pear juice, which

is

> how I get the Threelac into him.

> The downside of course, like everything else is the expense. But it works

> for him so I am more than willing to spend the $$ on it.

> I just wanted to share this with all of you and maybe you can mention it to

> your child's doctor to see what they say. It has helped him so tremendously

> and I plan on continuing the use of it. The next battle will be getting him

to

> use the potty for poo-poo. He is still not potty trained, and could seem to

> care less but I'm just so happy he's moving his bowels regularly that I'll

deal

> with everything else.

>

> Hope this helps someone.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> **************************************

> See AOL's top rated

> recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

>

[Guest guest]

MRI of spinal cord would also see the GI!! MRI I dont believe would see any Intestinal nerve issues, that would be a whole different set of tests! As far as the spinal, when people have nerve damage/birth defects it causes much gi/constipation issues, so I can understand what he is saying that! An MRI would see issues intestinal such as blockage, kinks, pockets, etc. etc. I would love to have my son get an MRI of the GI!! Im not an exray lover, but sometimes when all else fails this could help! I suspect that your daughter has motility issues!! Maybe try aloe vera juice!! Jennie wrote: Thank you everyone, I am open to all options!I know I should just take her for the MRI but I really do not think the problem is that she has nerve damage I think it is just her being stubborn and the fact that she has stretched her colon and such out so much that she can hold it.I just dont know what other things to try for her.I a lso am wondering why we have not had an mri or anything of the gut? This is an MRI of the spinal chord the gastro wants. He is a very good, well respectedd dr. but I honestly think he is at a loss with my daughters situation too.Thanks-- In miralax , kareningalls2@... wrote:>> HI,> > I have not been with the group for some time now but I still read posts and > wanted to share my

experiences with regard to bowel movements. I have read so > many posts about everyone's children being unable to move bowels, suffering > from constipation, experiencing big bloated bellies and on and on. My son who > is 4, almost 5, suffered from the same thing constantly. Always had belly > pain, bloating, very gassy but always had issues being able to move his bowels. > As you all know you read everything, do constant research, go to message boards > and evaluate and re-evaluate your childs pains, gains, and difficulties. I > had also followed closely McCarthy's story about her son and she had > mentioned a product called Threelac. I researched this product and thought I'd > give it a try. I tried it for a month on myself first and fully ended up > realizing that I like many Americans have a yeast overgrowth as well. I started my > son on Threelac in mid November, in part to treat him

for yeast. It is very > hard removing all sugars from the diet and then dealing with a child who > self-limits his foods. BUT, the unbelievable thing is that within days, maybe 3 > days, he began having regular bowel movements. Solid, formed bowel > movements!!!!!! His bowels then became no longer peutrid smelling; he has not been gassy; > he no longer has that BLOATED belly and I know he feels much better. He has a > bowel movement on a daily basis, sometimes twice. Occasionally it is runny, > seemingly when he has had a sugary treat. I use to have to use the fleet baby > lax on him and that is a thing of the past. The only side effect he may have > experienced was a little belly upset. Although he is non-verbal I could > tell when he'd lay down on the couch or something but it did not seem to last for > long. I experienced this too but it was mild and was nothing that lasted for

> hours or anything like that. Now he seems to be fine but you really have to > limit sugar intake. It is hard to do especially when you have to give him > juice to get him to take his other supplements. I still use pear juice, which is > how I get the Threelac into him. > The downside of course, like everything else is the expense. But it works > for him so I am more than willing to spend the $$ on it. > I just wanted to share this with all of you and maybe you can mention it to > your child's doctor to see what they say. It has helped him so tremendously > and I plan on continuing the use of it. The next battle will be getting him to > use the potty for poo-poo. He is still not potty trained, and could seem to > care less but I'm just so happy he's moving his bowels regularly that I'll deal > with everything else. > > Hope this helps someone.> > Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

I think that yeast is part of the problem for a lot of people -

especially a lot of the kids with constipation and other gut issues.

If mom was given antibiotics during delivery the baby started life

with antibiotic in their system. There's no chance the good gut flora

could establish itself during those critical first few days, but every

chance for unfriendly yeast and other non-friendly flora to jump right

in and colonize first. Even if you gave probiotics from the moment

the baby was born (and how many of us did this?), the antibiotic has

to clear out of the system before the probiotics could colonize.

I think the fact that so many babies are born with antibiotics during

labor/delivery predisposes these babies to gut yeast, c. difficile,

and other antibiotic-resistant non-friendly flora. Add to that any

other incidences of antibiotic use during the infant/toddler years,

and the unfriendly flora issue can really expand.

I think that gut yeast and other non-friendly flora issues predisposes

them to a host of other gut problems and insults like heavy metals

(mercury), other vaccine components, etc. just add up and cause more

and more problems.

Some kids probably have differing thresholds for processing these

insults than others. Some kids get several doses of antibiotics int

he first few years. This helps explain (in my mind) how there are so

many more kids with autism spectrum and related disorders, and could

correlate to the degree of severity of the disorder.

I would love to know how many of our kids in this group were born with

antibiotic during labor. Both of mine were.

The next would be to know vaccination status of kids born with

antibiotic versus no antibiotic. My constipated 3 y.o. was born in

hospital, but I insisted on no vaccination and my 1 y.o. (showing

yeast issues and tendency for constipation if I'm not overly cautious)

was born at home - definitely no vaccination.

Does anyone know if there has been a study of antibiotic use during

labor and early childhood and the incidence of sensory and autism

disorders?

Sorry to go on a soap box, this stuff is really on my mind lately as

I'm working through yeast with my boys.

>

> HI,

>

> I have not been with the group for some time now but I still read

posts and

> wanted to share my experiences with regard to bowel movements. I

have read so

> many posts about everyone's children being unable to move bowels,

suffering

> from constipation, experiencing big bloated bellies and on and on.

My son who

> is 4, almost 5, suffered from the same thing constantly. Always had

belly

> pain, bloating, very gassy but always had issues being able to move

his bowels.

> As you all know you read everything, do constant research, go to

message boards

> and evaluate and re-evaluate your childs pains, gains, and

difficulties. I

> had also followed closely McCarthy's story about her son and

she had

> mentioned a product called Threelac. I researched this product and

thought I'd

> give it a try. I tried it for a month on myself first and fully

ended up

> realizing that I like many Americans have a yeast overgrowth as

well. I started my

> son on Threelac in mid November, in part to treat him for yeast. It

is very

> hard removing all sugars from the diet and then dealing with a child

who

> self-limits his foods. BUT, the unbelievable thing is that within

days, maybe 3

> days, he began having regular bowel movements. Solid, formed bowel

> movements!!!!!! His bowels then became no longer peutrid smelling;

he has not been gassy;

> he no longer has that BLOATED belly and I know he feels much better.

He has a

> bowel movement on a daily basis, sometimes twice. Occasionally it

is runny,

> seemingly when he has had a sugary treat. I use to have to use the

fleet baby

> lax on him and that is a thing of the past. The only side effect he

may have

> experienced was a little belly upset. Although he is non-verbal I

could

> tell when he'd lay down on the couch or something but it did not

seem to last for

> long. I experienced this too but it was mild and was nothing that

lasted for

> hours or anything like that. Now he seems to be fine but you really

have to

> limit sugar intake. It is hard to do especially when you have to

give him

> juice to get him to take his other supplements. I still use pear

juice, which is

> how I get the Threelac into him.

> The downside of course, like everything else is the expense. But it

works

> for him so I am more than willing to spend the $$ on it.

> I just wanted to share this with all of you and maybe you can

mention it to

> your child's doctor to see what they say. It has helped him so

tremendously

> and I plan on continuing the use of it. The next battle will be

getting him to

> use the potty for poo-poo. He is still not potty trained, and could

seem to

> care less but I'm just so happy he's moving his bowels regularly

that I'll deal

> with everything else.

>

> Hope this helps someone.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> **************************************

> See AOL's top rated

> recipes

(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

>

[Guest guest]

Your kids dodged the big thing by having no vaccinations in the

first 2 years. So, the next things that come to mind

How many amalgam fillings in mom's mouth?

Where do you live? Downwind from any coal fired plants? NJ has 3

times the average ASD rates, for example. Texas has pockets that

show that coal fired plants may be to blame.

Mom and Dad's occupations?

In general mercury and yeast are linked and it's pretty rare to have

yeast issues without heavy metal issues, IMO

> >

> > HI,

> >

> > I have not been with the group for some time now but I still read

> posts and

> > wanted to share my experiences with regard to bowel movements. I

> have read so

> > many posts about everyone's children being unable to move bowels,

> suffering

> > from constipation, experiencing big bloated bellies and on and

on.

> My son who

> > is 4, almost 5, suffered from the same thing constantly. Always

had

> belly

> > pain, bloating, very gassy but always had issues being able to

move

> his bowels.

> > As you all know you read everything, do constant research, go to

> message boards

> > and evaluate and re-evaluate your childs pains, gains, and

> difficulties. I

> > had also followed closely McCarthy's story about her son

and

> she had

> > mentioned a product called Threelac. I researched this product

and

> thought I'd

> > give it a try. I tried it for a month on myself first and fully

> ended up

> > realizing that I like many Americans have a yeast overgrowth as

> well. I started my

> > son on Threelac in mid November, in part to treat him for

yeast. It

> is very

> > hard removing all sugars from the diet and then dealing with a

child

> who

> > self-limits his foods. BUT, the unbelievable thing is that

within

> days, maybe 3

> > days, he began having regular bowel movements. Solid, formed

bowel

> > movements!!!!!! His bowels then became no longer peutrid

smelling;

> he has not been gassy;

> > he no longer has that BLOATED belly and I know he feels much

better.

> He has a

> > bowel movement on a daily basis, sometimes twice. Occasionally

it

> is runny,

> > seemingly when he has had a sugary treat. I use to have to use

the

> fleet baby

> > lax on him and that is a thing of the past. The only side

effect he

> may have

> > experienced was a little belly upset. Although he is non-

verbal I

> could

> > tell when he'd lay down on the couch or something but it did not

> seem to last for

> > long. I experienced this too but it was mild and was nothing

that

> lasted for

> > hours or anything like that. Now he seems to be fine but you

really

> have to

> > limit sugar intake. It is hard to do especially when you have to

> give him

> > juice to get him to take his other supplements. I still use pear

> juice, which is

> > how I get the Threelac into him.

> > The downside of course, like everything else is the expense.

But it

> works

> > for him so I am more than willing to spend the $$ on it.

> > I just wanted to share this with all of you and maybe you can

> mention it to

> > your child's doctor to see what they say. It has helped him so

> tremendously

> > and I plan on continuing the use of it. The next battle will be

> getting him to

> > use the potty for poo-poo. He is still not potty trained, and

could

> seem to

> > care less but I'm just so happy he's moving his bowels regularly

> that I'll deal

> > with everything else.

> >

> > Hope this helps someone.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> > **************************************

> > See AOL's top rated

> > recipes

> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

LeeAnn you should write a book! I really appreciate how much you know

about all this stuff! You've very likely pinned it for my son - yeast

and probably mercury.

We go back on Tues for results of all the testing - but at our initial

visit, the doc suspected mercury as a problem because of his skin.

I do have many amalgam fillings and the worst part is that I know I

had a filling replaced when my 3 year old was only a couple months

old. I don't know if it was one that was amalgam or the white

polymer, but my guess is it was one of the older amalgams. I did not

know then about the mercury issue and the dentist DID know I was

breastfeeding an infant. But, mainstream dentists don't think it is an

issue and do not take the precautions during removal (dental dam,

fresh air source, etc.) that those concerned about the mercury do.

And certainly he didn't even think to suggest waiting until I finished

breastfeeding.

I'm still breastfeeding my 1 year old, but from some recent posts here

it's my impression that the worst harm is done in utero rather than

via breastmilk (unless of course your idiot dentist removes an amalgam

while you're breastfeeding - I have to believe that sent a lot of free

mercury into my system -UGH!).

We did a urine test for me too, so we'll see what my status is on Tues

also. (I have thought about trying the home test kit Bonnie used on

urine to test my breastmilk if my urine test shows high results.)

Neither of my guys have been diagnosed with SPD or ASD, but the gut

issues are so interrelated with the neuro that I look for signs all

the time. My older son did not get HepB at birth, but get two doses

of DTaP (6 months and 9 months - against my mom-instinct, but DH (and

of course our ped. at that time) felt strongly about at least

protecting from whooping cough so I gave in). But, I refused to go

for the 3rd dose or for any other vaccine. My mom-instinct just said

NO! and I wish I would've insisted on NO instead of allowing the two

DTaP doses. Interestingly, with all the constipation issues of our

older son and my researching all the gut issues, DH hasn't even

approached the vaccine topic for our 1 year old.

Thanks again, LeeAnn, for so much info that you contribute here!

Best,

> > >

> > > HI,

> > >

> > > I have not been with the group for some time now but I still read

> > posts and

> > > wanted to share my experiences with regard to bowel movements. I

> > have read so

> > > many posts about everyone's children being unable to move bowels,

> > suffering

> > > from constipation, experiencing big bloated bellies and on and

> on.

> > My son who

> > > is 4, almost 5, suffered from the same thing constantly. Always

> had

> > belly

> > > pain, bloating, very gassy but always had issues being able to

> move

> > his bowels.

> > > As you all know you read everything, do constant research, go to

> > message boards

> > > and evaluate and re-evaluate your childs pains, gains, and

> > difficulties. I

> > > had also followed closely McCarthy's story about her son

> and

> > she had

> > > mentioned a product called Threelac. I researched this product

> and

> > thought I'd

> > > give it a try. I tried it for a month on myself first and fully

> > ended up

> > > realizing that I like many Americans have a yeast overgrowth as

> > well. I started my

> > > son on Threelac in mid November, in part to treat him for

> yeast. It

> > is very

> > > hard removing all sugars from the diet and then dealing with a

> child

> > who

> > > self-limits his foods. BUT, the unbelievable thing is that

> within

> > days, maybe 3

> > > days, he began having regular bowel movements. Solid, formed

> bowel

> > > movements!!!!!! His bowels then became no longer peutrid

> smelling;

> > he has not been gassy;

> > > he no longer has that BLOATED belly and I know he feels much

> better.

> > He has a

> > > bowel movement on a daily basis, sometimes twice. Occasionally

> it

> > is runny,

> > > seemingly when he has had a sugary treat. I use to have to use

> the

> > fleet baby

> > > lax on him and that is a thing of the past. The only side

> effect he

> > may have

> > > experienced was a little belly upset. Although he is non-

> verbal I

> > could

> > > tell when he'd lay down on the couch or something but it did not

> > seem to last for

> > > long. I experienced this too but it was mild and was nothing

> that

> > lasted for

> > > hours or anything like that. Now he seems to be fine but you

> really

> > have to

> > > limit sugar intake. It is hard to do especially when you have to

> > give him

> > > juice to get him to take his other supplements. I still use pear

> > juice, which is

> > > how I get the Threelac into him.

> > > The downside of course, like everything else is the expense.

> But it

> > works

> > > for him so I am more than willing to spend the $$ on it.

> > > I just wanted to share this with all of you and maybe you can

> > mention it to

> > > your child's doctor to see what they say. It has helped him so

> > tremendously

> > > and I plan on continuing the use of it. The next battle will be

> > getting him to

> > > use the potty for poo-poo. He is still not potty trained, and

> could

> > seem to

> > > care less but I'm just so happy he's moving his bowels regularly

> > that I'll deal

> > > with everything else.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps someone.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > > **************************************

> > > See AOL's top rated

> > > recipes

> > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I totally didn't make the connection of antibiotics during childbirth!!!! Argh!! Maybe that's our answer! The doc gave me some because of the Rh thing...I didn't want it but was in really no mood to discuss it (wink-wink!). You't think someone would've come to my aid as I had NO other drugs during delivery. This is something to definitely think about. Thanks for the info!

From: miralax [mailto:miralax ] On Behalf Of littleliefSent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:24 PMTo: miralax Subject: Re: Just having a bad week....

I think that yeast is part of the problem for a lot of people -especially a lot of the kids with constipation and other gut issues. If mom was given antibiotics during delivery the baby started lifewith antibiotic in their system. There's no chance the good gut floracould establish itself during those critical first few days, but everychance for unfriendly yeast and other non-friendly flora to jump rightin and colonize first. Even if you gave probiotics from the momentthe baby was born (and how many of us did this?), the antibiotic hasto clear out of the system before the probiotics could colonize. I think the fact that so many babies are born with antibiotics duringlabor/delivery predisposes these babies to gut yeast, c. difficile,and other antibiotic-resistant non-friendly flora. Add to that anyother incidences of antibiotic use during the infant/toddler years,and the unfriendly flora issue can really expand. I think that gut yeast and other non-friendly flora issues predisposesthem to a host of other gut problems and insults like heavy metals(mercury), other vaccine components, etc. just add up and cause moreand more problems.Some kids probably have differing thresholds for processing theseinsults than others. Some kids get several doses of antibiotics inthe first few years. This helps explain (in my mind) how there are somany more kids with autism spectrum and related disorders, and couldcorrelate to the degree of severity of the disorder.I would love to know how many of our kids in this group were born withantibiotic during labor. Both of mine were. The next would be to know vaccination status of kids born withantibiotic versus no antibiotic. My constipated 3 y.o. was born inhospital, but I insisted on no vaccination and my 1 y.o. (showingyeast issues and tendency for constipation if I'm not overly cautious)was born at home - definitely no vaccination.Does anyone know if there has been a study of antibiotic use duringlabor and early childhood and the incidence of sensory and autismdisorders? Sorry to go on a soap box, this stuff is really on my mind lately asI'm working through yeast with my boys.>> HI,> > I have not been with the group for some time now but I still readposts and > wanted to share my experiences with regard to bowel movements. Ihave read so > many posts about everyone's children being unable to move bowels,suffering > from constipation, experiencing big bloated bellies and on and on. My son who > is 4, almost 5, suffered from the same thing constantly. Always hadbelly > pain, bloating, very gassy but always had issues being able to movehis bowels. > As you all know you read everything, do constant research, go tomessage boards > and evaluate and re-evaluate your childs pains, gains, anddifficulties. I > had also followed closely McCarthy's story about her son andshe had > mentioned a product called Threelac. I researched this product andthought I'd > give it a try. I tried it for a month on myself first and fullyended up > realizing that I like many Americans have a yeast overgrowth aswell. I started my > son on Threelac in mid November, in part to treat him for yeast. Itis very > hard removing all sugars from the diet and then dealing with a childwho > self-limits his foods. BUT, the unbelievable thing is that withindays, maybe 3 > days, he began having regular bowel movements. Solid, formed bowel > movements!!!!!! His bowels then became no longer peutrid smelling;he has not been gassy; > he no longer has that BLOATED belly and I know he feels much better.He has a > bowel movement on a daily basis, sometimes twice. Occasionally itis runny, > seemingly when he has had a sugary treat. I use to have to use thefleet baby > lax on him and that is a thing of the past. The only side effect hemay have > experienced was a little belly upset. Although he is non-verbal Icould > tell when he'd lay down on the couch or something but it did notseem to last for > long. I experienced this too but it was mild and was nothing thatlasted for > hours or anything like that. Now he seems to be fine but you reallyhave to > limit sugar intake. It is hard to do especially when you have togive him > juice to get him to take his other supplements. I still use pearjuice, which is > how I get the Threelac into him. > The downside of course, like everything else is the expense. But itworks > for him so I am more than willing to spend the $$ on it. > I just wanted to share this with all of you and maybe you canmention it to > your child's doctor to see what they say. It has helped him sotremendously > and I plan on continuing the use of it. The next battle will begetting him to > use the potty for poo-poo. He is still not potty trained, and couldseem to > care less but I'm just so happy he's moving his bowels regularlythat I'll deal > with everything else. > > Hope this helps someone.> > Thanks, > > > **************************************> See AOL's top rated > recipes(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)>

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With the possibility of motility issues, has your daughter done the "rubber band" test to check for motility?? I don't know the formal name of it, but what happens is she'd do a "clean-out" of mag citrate or whatever so her gut is totally empty. When that's done, she'd need to swallow 24 teeny tiny rubber band-looking things (they look like the rubber bands for braces). Three days later, she'd have an x-ray. If the bands are in the lower GI, all is good with motility. If not, there might be a problem and further testing might be needed. Has anyone else been through this?

From: miralax [mailto:miralax ] On Behalf Of JennieSent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:04 PMTo: miralax Subject: Re: Re: Just having a bad week....

MRI of spinal cord would also see the GI!! MRI I dont believe would see any Intestinal nerve issues, that would be a whole different set of tests! As far as the spinal, when people have nerve damage/birth defects it causes much gi/constipation issues, so I can understand what he is saying that! An MRI would see issues intestinal such as blockage, kinks, pockets, etc. etc. I would love to have my son get an MRI of the GI!! Im not an exray lover, but sometimes when all else fails this could help! I suspect that your daughter has motility issues!! Maybe try aloe vera juice!! Jennie<><csab123 <csab123> wrote:

Thank you everyone, I am open to all options!I know I should just take her for the MRI but I really do not think the problem is that she has nerve damage I think it is just her being stubborn and the fact that she has stretched her colon and such out so much that she can hold it.I just dont know what other things to try for her.I a lso am wondering why we have not had an mri or anything of the gut? This is an MRI of the spinal chord the gastro wants. He is a very good, well respectedd dr. but I honestly think he is at a loss with my daughters situation too.Thanks-- In miralax , kareningalls2@... wrote:>> HI,> > I have not been with the group for some time now but I still read posts and > wanted to share my experiences with regard to bowel movements. I have read so > many posts about everyone's children being unable to move bowels, suffering > from constipation, experiencing big bloated bellies and on and on. My son who > is 4, almost 5, suffered from the same thing constantly. Always had belly > pain, bloating, very gassy but always had issues being able to move his bowels. > As you all know you read everything, do constant research, go to message boards > and evaluate and re-evaluate your childs pains, gains, and difficulties. I > had also followed closely McCarthy's story about her son and she had > mentioned a product called Threelac. I researched this product and thought I'd > give it a try. I tried it for a month on myself first and fully ended up > realizing that I like many Americans have a yeast overgrowth as well. I started my > son on Threelac in mid November, in part to treat him for yeast. It is very > hard removing all sugars from the diet and then dealing with a child who > self-limits his foods. BUT, the unbelievable thing is that within days, maybe 3 > days, he began having regular bowel movements. Solid, formed bowel > movements!!!!!! His bowels then became no longer peutrid smelling; he has not been gassy; > he no longer has that BLOATED belly and I know he feels much better. He has a > bowel movement on a daily basis, sometimes twice. Occasionally it is runny, > seemingly when he has had a sugary treat. I use to have to use the fleet baby > lax on him and that is a thing of the past. The only side effect he may have > experienced was a little belly upset. Although he is non-verbal I could > tell when he'd lay down on the couch or something but it did not seem to last for > long. I experienced this too but it was mild and was nothing that lasted for > hours or anything like that. Now he seems to be fine but you really have to > limit sugar intake. It is hard to do especially when you have to give him > juice to get him to take his other supplements. I still use pear juice, which is > how I get the Threelac into him. > The downside of course, like everything else is the expense. But it works > for him so I am more than willing to spend the $$ on it. > I just wanted to share this with all of you and maybe you can mention it to > your child's doctor to see what they say. It has helped him so tremendously > and I plan on continuing the use of it. The next battle will be getting him to > use the potty for poo-poo. He is still not potty trained, and could seem to > care less but I'm just so happy he's moving his bowels regularly that I'll deal > with everything else. > > Hope this helps someone.> > Thanks, > > > **************************************> See AOL's top rated > recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)>

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So frustrating, isn't it??

It's my belief also that breastfeeding moms that had antibiotic during

labor are probably more likely to get interductal trush in the breast

and I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere a while back that the yeast

can pass through the breastmilk. Fresh yeast right into a nice, warm

unsuspecting newborn tummy with no probiotic growth to fight it off.

What a set up for disaster if you ask me.

I just get so angry thinking about it sometimes. They scare you into

believing the worst things are going to happen if you *don't* get the

antibiotic during labor but don't even think about the repercussions

of it. I truly *do* believe that the use of antibiotic during labor

in some instances has surely saved some babies from certain

life-threatening infections, but I also believe that the U.S.

obstetrics practice has gone very overboard in their " CYA " mode and

" better safe than sorry " mode. I think they just assume that the

antibiotic will do good if needed and even if it wasn't needed in the

end that it doesn't really hurt anything.

I had my youngest at home attended by a midwife, but elected to use

antibiotic during labor because of heavy GBS and the scientist in me

and my husband just couldn't seem to get past that, despite the

emerging evidence that the strains of GBS that harm newborns actually

cross the membranes in utero before delivery such that antibiotic

during labor does not necessarily protect them. He just turned one

and I am certain he, too, has yeast in his GI tract and am determined

to control it early!

I just wish I'd known more about the gut pre-pregnancy so I could have

cleaned up my GI tract and amalgam/mercury issues, and rid myself of

yeast overgrowth, mercury, and the GBS. Guess it's true what they say

about hindsight....

> >

> > HI,

> >

> > I have not been with the group for some time now but I still read

> posts and

> > wanted to share my experiences with regard to bowel movements. I

> have read so

> > many posts about everyone's children being unable to move bowels,

> suffering

> > from constipation, experiencing big bloated bellies and on and on.

> My son who

> > is 4, almost 5, suffered from the same thing constantly. Always had

> belly

> > pain, bloating, very gassy but always had issues being able to move

> his bowels.

> > As you all know you read everything, do constant research, go to

> message boards

> > and evaluate and re-evaluate your childs pains, gains, and

> difficulties. I

> > had also followed closely McCarthy's story about her son and

> she had

> > mentioned a product called Threelac. I researched this product and

> thought I'd

> > give it a try. I tried it for a month on myself first and fully

> ended up

> > realizing that I like many Americans have a yeast overgrowth as

> well. I started my

> > son on Threelac in mid November, in part to treat him for yeast. It

> is very

> > hard removing all sugars from the diet and then dealing with a child

> who

> > self-limits his foods. BUT, the unbelievable thing is that within

> days, maybe 3

> > days, he began having regular bowel movements. Solid, formed bowel

> > movements!!!!!! His bowels then became no longer peutrid smelling;

> he has not been gassy;

> > he no longer has that BLOATED belly and I know he feels much better.

> He has a

> > bowel movement on a daily basis, sometimes twice. Occasionally it

> is runny,

> > seemingly when he has had a sugary treat. I use to have to use the

> fleet baby

> > lax on him and that is a thing of the past. The only side effect he

> may have

> > experienced was a little belly upset. Although he is non-verbal I

> could

> > tell when he'd lay down on the couch or something but it did not

> seem to last for

> > long. I experienced this too but it was mild and was nothing that

> lasted for

> > hours or anything like that. Now he seems to be fine but you really

> have to

> > limit sugar intake. It is hard to do especially when you have to

> give him

> > juice to get him to take his other supplements. I still use pear

> juice, which is

> > how I get the Threelac into him.

> > The downside of course, like everything else is the expense. But it

> works

> > for him so I am more than willing to spend the $$ on it.

> > I just wanted to share this with all of you and maybe you can

> mention it to

> > your child's doctor to see what they say. It has helped him so

> tremendously

> > and I plan on continuing the use of it. The next battle will be

> getting him to

> > use the potty for poo-poo. He is still not potty trained, and could

> seem to

> > care less but I'm just so happy he's moving his bowels regularly

> that I'll deal

> > with everything else.

> >

> > Hope this helps someone.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> > **************************************

> > See AOL's top rated

> > recipes

> (http://food.

> <http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004>

> aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

> >

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